Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #24

[mrjitty]

People know the importance of the "something that only the killer would know" from police movies and other cases but on MM case this doesn't work and it's not that simple. Because "something that only the killer would know" must be something that police do know as well and no-one else knows. This apply when police do find a body, know how the victim was killed and no-one else except the killer knows.
On MM case we have PUBLIC AVAILABLE DVDs with PJ files on MM case that anyone can access and police don't have a body.
Even if CB did confess and stated "I KILLED MM" and stated for example "I stabbed her with a knife" how would BKA confirm or deny ? Relevance of "something that only the killer would know" only apply if police does know more than general public and know specific stuff that only killer would know. Also CB can tell "I took MM from the apartment when she was sleeping" so what, the entire world knows that as well so it's not something that only the killer would know and everyone with DVDs of MM process file can get a huge amount of details so this is not easy for BKA.
If BKA did had something like a photo/video of CB abusing MM it would be indeed something that only them and CB would know but that would be enough, they would present that to court and CB would be charged. If BKA doesn't know if they can charge CB with what they have then most likely it's not something that only the killer would know ...

Remember this is a thought experiment - it operates within defined parameters ----> that's the point

In my scenario, CB reveals the nature of the crime scene in a confession to an associate. Let's assume he reveals that he entered through/exited through the doors (no window) and was in the apartment for over 30 mins. In other words there are no checks.

This is something the real offender would know, that contradicts the public info.

The reason I find it an interesting inquiry is it potentially explains the apparent conflicts between the parties. In this scenario, HCW would be appealing to one of the inner circle to reveal critical evidence of the condition of the crime scene, which might corroborate his case.

I believe this is the direction Andy Redwood was also headed when he provided the offramp for Tannerman to focus on Smithman - he is not just saying a mistake got made. He is saying the public timeline is (for whatever reason) not what actually happened.

 

[mrjitty]

Another thing that baffles me is that if BKA is so in need for public help why is the appeal web page to supply information regarding CB so badly designed and useless ?

I bet no-one noticed this yet but if someone does want to provide info regarding MM case / CB using the appeal webpage of the BKA they will almost likely not be able to do anything of use because 1) It's impossible to attach files so one can only write text (one would imagine for example that BKA would want to collect photos sent by people) and 2) The word limit that you can use is so low that you can't even introduce yourself without exceeding the limit of words that you are allowed to write to submit to the BKA less alone write something significant ... Moral of the story that way to submit info simply doesn't work and it's quite strange for BKA that does want so badly info about CB not to have something on-line that does work for that effect...

Interesting

 

[mrjitty]

Time will also tell if there is any truth in these new press rumours..

Madeleine suspect Christian B could face 'triple trial' over sex attacks

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B could face 'triple trial' over sex offences

I continue to find it odd to trail the mere possibility of charges in advance in the media

Charge or don't.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Last year FF has made an interesting statement according to the question, why he thinks the public appeal has been made, without charging or even interrogating the suspect, if the prosecutors are so confirmed to have the right one in focus.

FF stated, that in his opinion the public appeal has been made, to give some influence to the courts and judges, according to the pending decisions for CB's parole bid and the appeal at the ECJ.

IMO kind of plausible. Maybe the prosecuters don't need further clues from the public inquiry itself but just needed more time and wanted to prevent any chance for CB to be set free, even for hours....?!

 

[Okapi]

Maddie McCann disappearance: Cop on hi-tech methods used to find missing girl

 

[SuperdadV8]

It has already reached the UK as well!

Police smash vile global paedophile gang which 'may have links to Maddie McCann'

And now some more interesting facts:

CMK, a former educator (!!!) lived in Groven-Dithmarschen in northern germany, after years of abusing children and collecting child , until he left for Paraguay about 2010.

The place is not far away from Hamburg, where the masked man MN has been living. Hm.....a boys-related-paedo-darkweb-enthusiast is leaving germany and heads to south america in 2010, where another one has spent time in the 90s. The other one has been arrested in 2011. The rest is history so far.

Groven-Dithmarschen is close to the island of Sylt as well. And....it's already close to a place called Husum.

In Husum you can find an elderly lawyer with a well nown surname. His first name is Jürgen. It's a Jürgen F....

Soooo many coincidences........

And now we have been brought this CMK into a possible relationship to CB.

This is getting more and more interesting!

 

[noodlefreak]

I think this is a picture of website that has been mentioned
Asalto a la “ciudad de los chicos”, una monstruosa red alemana de pornografía infantil en Internet

the number of users makes me sick
the number of categories makes even more sick
the weak sentences makes me very very angry...

so much horror and trauma

 

[Chiatos]

It has already reached the UK as well!

Police smash vile global paedophile gang which 'may have links to Maddie McCann'

And now some more interesting facts:

CMK, a former educator (!!!) lived in Groven-Dithmarschen in northern germany, after years of abusing children and collecting child , until he left for Paraguay about 2010.

The place is not far away from Hamburg, where the masked man MN has been living. Hm.....a boys-related-paedo-darkweb-enthusiast is leaving germany and heads to south america in 2010, where another one has spent time in the 90s. The other one has been arrested in 2011. The rest is history so far.

Groven-Dithmarschen is close to the island of Sylt as well. And....it's already close to a place called Husum.

In Husum you can find an elderly lawyer with a well nown surname. His first name is Jürgen. It's a Jürgen F....

Soooo many coincidences........

And now we have been brought this CMK into a possible relationship to CB.

This is getting more and more interesting!

Hmmmm

 

[Lilly b]

the number of users makes me sick
the number of categories makes even more sick
the weak sentences makes me very very angry...

so much horror and trauma

Agree, was shocked, that's really why I shared it, the scale of it is just crazy

 

[Trivento]

Maddie McCann disappearance: Cop on hi-tech methods used to find missing girl

" I think there is a real confusion about the phrase of the Germans used, concrete evidence,” he told Sunrise.

“In Britain and probably Australia, that means there is absolutely top drawer evidence, fingerprints, DNA, CCTV and alike.

“In Germany, however, it generally means it is something tangible, not just a rumour.

“In Britain you would charge someone with concrete evidence, but in Germany, you may not even arrest them"

The ex-detective in this article might have an interesting point with this observation..?

 

[SuperdadV8]

" I think there is a real confusion about the phrase of the Germans used, concrete evidence,” he told Sunrise.

“In Britain and probably Australia, that means there is absolutely top drawer evidence, fingerprints, DNA, CCTV and alike.

“In Germany, however, it generally means it is something tangible, not just a rumour.

“In Britain you would charge someone with concrete evidence, but in Germany, you may not even arrest them"

The ex-detective in this article might have an interesting point with this observation..?

Well, that depends on the interpretation. If it's footage what they might have, it is concrete evidence as described as well. But what does it proof so far? Abuse?

I assume that they have collected terabytes of footage in the last two or three years. So you have proof of abuse and a missing abused child. No forensics, no body.

Obviously insufficent for a straight murder charge, isn't it? IMO they knew what happened but they are not interested in just a abuse- or maybe assault/battery-trial?!

I'm convinced, that we will know more pretty soon. Maybe if some other known perps have been extradited (back?) to germany.

 

[Sharkbite]

6 - Would DarkWeb be popular back when MM did went missing ?

'Popular' isn't a word that I'd use to describe such forums/sites, but yes they did exist back when MM went missing. CB's buddy MT even mentioned how CB was always on the Darkweb

The Dark Web (sometimes referred to as the “Darknet”) was officially launched 20 years ago, on March 20, 2000 with the release of “Freenet“: a peer-to-peer, decentralised network, designed to make it less vulnerable to attack and snooping by authorities and states.

For example from the Alexander B from Meißen case;

The pedophile casual worker has been in various child groups on the Internet since 2005. In 2010 he founded the site "Love Zone" with an accomplice.

 

[Tekno]

It has already reached the UK as well!

Police smash vile global paedophile gang which 'may have links to Maddie McCann'

And now some more interesting facts:

CMK, a former educator (!!!) lived in Groven-Dithmarschen in northern germany, after years of abusing children and collecting child , until he left for Paraguay about 2010.

The place is not far away from Hamburg, where the masked man MN has been living. Hm.....a boys-related-paedo-darkweb-enthusiast is leaving germany and heads to south america in 2010, where another one has spent time in the 90s. The other one has been arrested in 2011. The rest is history so far.

Groven-Dithmarschen is close to the island of Sylt as well. And....it's already close to a place called Husum.

In Husum you can find an elderly lawyer with a well nown surname. His first name is Jürgen. It's a Jürgen F....

Soooo many coincidences........

And now we have been brought this CMK into a possible relationship to CB.

This is getting more and more interesting!

“One of the top figures in the gang was a known contact of Christian Brueckner, the number one suspect in McCann’s kidnapping”.
https://7news.com.au/news/missing-p...ring-with-links-to-madeleine-mccann-c-2889192

 

[SuperdadV8]

Wanna know, what's the most interesting thing about these reports, who claim possibilities of a link between CB and CMK, is?

"Boystown" went online in june 2019.

Pädosexuelle im Darknet: Der rasante Aufstieg von "Boystown"

At that time, CB was already in custody since 2018, after being arrested in italy.

That tells me, that the possible link between both can't be related to "boystown". That connection must lead further to the past, maybe before 2010 when CMK left germany to south america, right?

 

[Lilly b]

“One of the top figures in the gang was a known contact of Christian Brueckner, the number one suspect in McCann’s kidnapping”.
https://7news.com.au/news/missing-p...ring-with-links-to-madeleine-mccann-c-2889192

So could CB mobile number been in this other christians phone list or visa versa?

 

[SuperdadV8]

So could CB mobile number been in this other christians phone list or visa versa?

There is a big question IMO. According to the news, "boystown" has been in focus from prosecutors from Frankfurt, who had been related to the big raid of "Elysium" in 2017. So there is no direct connection to Braunschweig prosecutors, but to the BKA. So the germans, with help of the forces from paraguay, busted CMK and finally found him. So in the investigation, german BKA should have been in charge.

Why do the native forces comment on MM. Could it have to do with "Elysium"? HCW stated in 2020, that BKA investigated CB in 2017 and BKA then from 2018. Could MM, CMK, CB and "Elysium" are connected in some way?

Are people like Helge B., Manfred S. or other "witnesses" just be a fog bomb of the prosecuters? Do they just needed time to find some people with common knowledge, to let go of each other, if being confronted with the evidence, that exists?

 

[Lilly b]

There is a big question IMO. According to the news, "boystown" has been in focus from prosecutors from Frankfurt, who had been related to the big raid of "Elysium" in 2017. So there is no direct connection to Braunschweig prosecutors, but to the BKA. So the germans, with help of the forces from paraguay, busted CMK and finally found him. So in the investigation, german BKA should have been in charge.

Why do the native forces comment on MM. Could it have to do with "Elysium"? HCW stated in 2020, that BKA investigated CB in 2017 and BKA then from 2018. Could MM, CMK, CB and "Elysium" are connected in some way?

Are people like Helge B., Manfred S. or other "witnesses" just be a fog bomb of the prosecuters? Do they just needed time to find some people with common knowledge, to let go of each other, if being confronted with the evidence, that exists?

Every bit of info is a part of the jigsaw so to speak
Also as i/we have mentioned in some older posts, that even the house he lived in up to 2006, there was loads of old pc's monitors mobiles etc which I found strange, being that people using home computers etc then, would not be for work purposes like it is now, and also the way of life living in a seaside/ holiday resort type area, and I think wherever he has lived, there was always stuff like that left, and the boys town may only be from 2019, but as its been mentioned, this will of been set up after another one has been shut down, just keep starting new ones after others get busted

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Maddie McCann disappearance: Cop on hi-tech methods used to find missing girl

“So as far as a computer is concerned, that is a pattern. You could find it using a computer, if she was on the internet.

“She was also wearing distinctive pyjamas when she was kidnapped. These wicked paedophiles who make videos and stuff, they are on high-quality videotape. That would present another opportunity where we can find stuff.

“I think we need to start using images to try crack this case. That is how we would find out if she is alive today and if things were done to her.”

Will not work if BKA is correct and CB did kill MM shortly. Exactly the same for majority of cases where children are abducted by stranger and killed. Not very likely for someone to grab a child and post some photos of her/him on facebook...

 

[SuperdadV8]

“So as far as a computer is concerned, that is a pattern. You could find it using a computer, if she was on the internet.

“She was also wearing distinctive pyjamas when she was kidnapped. These wicked paedophiles who make videos and stuff, they are on high-quality videotape. That would present another opportunity where we can find stuff.

“I think we need to start using images to try crack this case. That is how we would find out if she is alive today and if things were done to her.”

Will not work if BKA is correct and CB did kill MM shortly. Exactly the same for majority of cases where children are abducted by stranger and killed. Not very likely for someone to grab a child and post some photos of her/him on facebook...

Maybe not on facebook, but maybe on paedo sites.

 

[Trivento]

Kate McCann’s alarm over note from hotel staff before Madeleine’s disappearance

Good to see this "news" source on the ball and keeping up with all the latest developments..!!???
Article released today of news from over a decade ago !?