Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #25

[Denis R Tandib]

… Is it possible German police simply have possession of CB’s phone/SIM from that night?

It’s possible. I have mentioned it before that I have the feeling that the three-fingered salute selfie was taken that night - published by Bild then quickly deleted.

It would need to be the phone though for picture evidence. SIM cards only store text I think, like contacts and SMS messages, not photos. The text info could contain a lot of incriminating info though.

What makes it possible IMO is that phones are personal and high value items that people often keep, even though they upgrade and stop using them. CB could have kept it and then forgotten about it. He is transient and has had the need to relocate quickly on numerous occasions.

Let's say it that way!

Maybe the officially shown footage together with all the known circumstances in this and other cases of missing children, additional reports from all over the world made me sceptic, if the urban legend of ritual abuse and other child torturing communities could be kept as a legend anymore.

CB's fantasies and known modus operandi of torturing in paedo-communications seem to be pretty obvious.

And in a case that is unsolved for 14 years, i take everything as possible, as long as somebody proves me wrong!

Maybe i think Dave Edgar's opinion of the case isn't that far fetched anymore.

That's it!

Isn’t Dave Edgar’s theory very different to HCW’s theory though? HCW has stated that MM is dead, killed by CB, shortly after she disappeared. IMO, given HCW’s commitment, he likely has something strong influencing this theory. Dave Edgar’s theory seems somewhat based on the lack of a body. IMO, it’s easier to hide a body than a living person.

 

[SuperdadV8]

It’s possible. I have mentioned it before that I have the feeling that the three-fingered salute selfie was taken that night - published by Bild then quickly deleted.


It would need to be the phone though for picture evidence. SIM cards only store text I think, like contacts and SMS messages, not photos. The text info could contain a lot of incriminating info though.

What makes it possible IMO is that phones are personal and high value items that people often keep, even though they upgrade and stop using them. CB could have kept it and then forgotten about it. He is transient and has had the need to relocate quickly on numerous occasions.


Isn’t Dave Edgar’s theory very different to HCW’s theory though? HCW has stated that MM is dead, killed by CB, shortly after she disappeared. IMO, given HCW’s commitment, he likely has something strong influencing this theory. Dave Edgar’s theory seems somewhat based on the lack of a body. IMO, it’s easier to hide a body than a living person.

They even dicovered mobiles ("Handys") at Neuwegersleben, so Betty could be right with her theory!

Polizeieinsatz in Neuwegersleben


HCW and Edgar could be right as well. Both of them. According to former employee of the Braunschweig kiosk Lenta J., CB has told her, that "the child is dead NOW". That indicates, that it has lived a particular period of time after the abduction and for some particular reason maybe.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

They even dicovered mobiles ("Handys") at Neuwegersleben, so Betty could be right with her theory!

Polizeieinsatz in Neuwegersleben


HCW and Edgar could be right as well. Both of them. According to former employee of the Braunschweig kiosk Lenta J., CB has told her, that "the child is dead NOW". That indicates, that it has lived a particular period of time after the abduction and for some particular reason maybe.

It crossed my mind that the phone could be in the factory too.

“The child is dead now” with emphasis on the “now” suggesting she lived for a while, would seem to contradict HCW’s view that she died shortly after her disappearance.

My thinking is torn currently. I think that CB was a drifter, largely a loner. I think his personality lends itself to an opportunistic crime. In contrast, MS’s point on the BKA being interested in the two Russians and the CMK piece, leads to the possibility of a network.

It’s the problems with this case: so much info. The more that’s released, the more possibilities there are.

sticking with what has been confirmed by HCW, I feel the roughly planned, impulsive abduction and murder by CB is most likely. That’s not to say he didn’t keep and then subsequently share trophies of some kind but I think he is the type to impulsively commit crimes rather plan with a network - I feel like that’s what the released info about him suggests.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Just a little episode of irony in this serious topic.

Does somebody recognized, what brand of beer CB sold in his store in Braunschweig?



German accused of snatching Maddie McCann molested a six-year-old girl | | Express Digest

Karma?

 

[Nikolai_ff]

Maddie prime suspect Christian B 'may have had NOTHING to do with disappearance'

How can they say CB had nothing to do with it when they have not seen the evidence the Germans have. The Russian angle is preposterous- unfortunately it is fairly easy to snatch children inside Russia than to travel to an obscure Portuguese resort.

 

[Nikolai_ff]

It would explain the open window, handing over the child..

Sounds highly unlikely. The window blind was open to let the light into the dark apartment and the window opened to better hear if somebody approached. No acrobatics through the window were performed.

 

[Nikolai_ff]

Madeleine McCann cops hunt Russians who spoke with suspect before she vanished

“Hunt” as in want to speak to them about CB.

 

[Nikolai_ff]

Many months ago, Manfred S. told Sandra F. about being questioned by german BKA about two russians in spain in connection to murder.

So i still think, CB didn't just may have snatched her for his own pleasure. He must have had some kind of advantage by abducting a small child. Maybe some planned demand for ransom that went wrong because of the huge media attention? Maybe that's the reason why a british child from two doctors went missing?!

Who ransoms two middle class doctors? They have very little cash money.

 

[Nikolai_ff]

from june 2020, not saying I believe or don't believe, just something I found

The Murder of Madeleine McCann - Veterans Today | Military Foreign Affairs Policy Journal for Clandestine Services

Please do not use this site for anything. They make National Enquirer look like The Sunday Times.

 

[Nikolai_ff]

Something doesn't make sense to me.

1.
CB knew that he was observed by german police and went to the netherlands in 2018. At a time, BKA and the prosecutors from Braunschweig got him into focus about MM already.

2.
He travelled via a few countries to italy and went straight into the german embassy to demand a passport. He seemed to be relieved of being arrested just because of the drug-crime warrant.

3.
BKA interrogated MS about russian people in relation to a murder of a missing child in 2018.

4.
Very early after june 2020, one of his expensive lawyers we do not know who pays their fees told the world, that CB won't cooperate.

5.
In 2020 and 2021, CB is communicating with the media himself, not via his lawyer, by passing drawings and letters directly to the media.

So....did he surrender to the authorities by himself on purpose in 2018, because he is in fear about his own life?

Could he be a kind of a small version of a german Marc Dutroux? Hard to imagine, the sentences in the casa pia complex had been the end of the story?

So many children missing in portugal or europe, without finding them dead or alive....

More and more i'm thinking about a kind of job and prosecutors trying to make him talk.

Is that the answer to the question, all of us are talking about in this thread? Why is HCW communicating with english speaking media a lot more, then with other media...?

And maybe the question why a british speaking child has been abducted in portugal, whilst there are so many portugese children could be snatched right from the streets????

Maybe MM has been ordered by an english speaking perp?

Occam’s Razor states that CB robbed tourist apartments because they have more money than locals.

 

[Lilly b]

Documentary coming up with two Russians now suspected of being involved in Madeleine’s disappearance. So does that mean Wolters was wrong to tell the world he had “concrete “ proof CB had killed her ?
Maddie prime suspect Christian B 'may have had NOTHING to do with disappearance'

Further looking at the news about the documentary it’s revealed Mark William-Thomas is the ex detective behind this investigation but he’s the one who told us Madeleine woke and wandered in his opinion ?

If you look at his twitter page, it seems the filming is nearly finished

 

[JB1510]

If you look at his twitter page, it seems the filming is nearly finished

Sounds like the Russian aspect is just speculation possibly as his Twitter post of 26th July shows him about to HCW so doubtful he’s changed his mind !

 

[SuperdadV8]

Who ransoms two middle class doctors? They have very little cash money.

You have knowledge about the Mc's income around 2007?

As long as we do not have any further info about the evidence/clues the prosecutors have, everything is possible.

HCW's statements in the past that have been made, point out to abduction by CB, POSSIBLE (!) abuse and then murder. If that's still the working hypothesis, what we don't know unfortuneatly, the theory of a chance find in 5A for molesting purposes and paedo issues doesn't really matches his profile.

Then there are just theories left about the purposes for abduction what is likely money or abduction to murder itself. The first one is based on money, what fit's CB's lifestyle and MT's confession that is known.

The second one COULD fit his sadistic fantasies/urges and could even fit a money issue by filming it and trying to make money out of it in the virtual world IMO.

 

[Lilly b]

Sounds like the Russian aspect is just speculation possibly as his Twitter post of 26th July shows him about to HCW so doubtful he’s changed his mind !

whatever its about, he's been in Germany and Portugal, what would be good is if some locals come out the woodwork and tell us something we don't know, rather than go over what we do know

 

[JB1510]

I’ll be looking forward to it , any new info is welcomed dependant on its source and as you say it’s always good to hear from witnesses or acquaintances.

 

[JB1510]

As a side note as I don’t know if it’s been discussed before ?.Apologies if so but recently when seeing documents regarding CB it seems he uses the E in his surname when it suits him , is this another reason he’s not been on every LE’s radar ?

 

[Chiatos]

When Sandra 'confronted' HCW about the two Russians, HCW's reaction was: "I can't give any comments".
No denial about any Russians involved.

 

[JB1510]

Thanks for that, those Sextas9 pieces were really interesting from what I could understand.

 

[tedtink]

whatever its about, he's been in Germany and Portugal, what would be good is if some locals come out the woodwork and tell us something we don't know, rather than go over what we do know

Doesn't say he's been to Russia though, or Spain, where the Russians supposedly lived.
It was a 'Portuguese source' who mentioned the 2 Russians in the Sun article. so I wonder who that could be?



If anything, perhaps the 2 Russians could be vital witnesses, but not involved per se.

I'm surprised this documentary is even being broadcast, surely it could have a detrimental impact on the HCW case? Perhaps MWT is trying to prove CB is innocent and has secured an interview with CB himself?
Unless, there IS no longer a case against CB at all.

JMO

 

[Loobyloo]

As a side note as I don’t know if it’s been discussed before ?.Apologies if so but recently when seeing documents regarding CB it seems he uses the E in his surname when it suits him , is this another reason he’s not been on every LE’s radar ?

Have you seen any variation on documents written *by* CB, or only *about* him? In the latter case, it will just be the usual convention of substituting ue for ü (u umlaut) when using a non-German keyboard. Not suspicious, really.