Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #25

[JB1510]

Have you seen any variation on documents written *by* CB, or only *about* him? In the latter case, it will just be the usual convention of substituting ue for ü (u umlaut) when using a non-German keyboard. Not suspicious, really.

Ah , I see I wasn’t aware of that and it makes sense, it was documents about him as I noticed his ID card from 96-06 was without the e and other police reports contained the ue . Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Trivento]

Sounds highly unlikely. The window blind was open to let the light into the dark apartment and the window opened to better hear if somebody approached. No acrobatics through the window were performed.

Have seen Det.D.Barclay talking about window in past TV interview...he said most professional burglars / intruders ensure they have a quick escape route option available , if needed , in case residents return via the opposite side of the property....could also have been opened with that in mind even if not actually used as such...

Or ..I guess in another possible scenario , where more than one perp involved...one could have passed MM out to another standing outside ..perhaps .

 

[Chiatos]

It seems that MWT has interviewed HCW (or perhaps someone else of the team) too for his documentary?
26 July 2021; Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1419763018561372162/photo/1

 

[Anxala]

That HCW might have agreed to be interviewed by MWT is alarming.

Surely HCW can't be that desperate that he would willingly engage with someone so historically lacking in credibility as MWT?

If so, it really makes this investigation look like it's on a hiding to nothing.

 

[Nikolai_ff]

You have knowledge about the Mc's income around 2007?

As long as we do not have any further info about the evidence/clues the prosecutors have, everything is possible.

HCW's statements in the past that have been made, point out to abduction by CB, POSSIBLE (!) abuse and then murder. If that's still the working hypothesis, what we don't know unfortuneatly, the theory of a chance find in 5A for molesting purposes and paedo issues doesn't really matches his profile.

Then there are just theories left about the purposes for abduction what is likely money or abduction to murder itself. The first one is based on money, what fit's CB's lifestyle and MT's confession that is known.

The second one COULD fit his sadistic fantasies/urges and could even fit a money issue by filming it and trying to make money out of it in the virtual world IMO.

The hotel/resort they stayed at is a clue... they weren’t rich.

 

[Nikolai_ff]

You guys must understand how unlikely the McCanns were a target for anyone but a local loner. Too poor to ransom (Ocean Club is for mid-middle class people at most, this is not the Ritz) too white/pillars of community for police to ignore and sweep under the carpet.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

You guys must understand how unlikely the McCanns were a target for anyone but a local loner. Too poor to ransom (Ocean Club is for mid-middle class people at most, this is not the Ritz) too white/pillars of community for police to ignore and sweep under the carpet.

I like this comment and the one prior, I think they are the right kind of thinking IMO.

To me, the crime had to be planned to get away with it (I include burglary in crime) but I think if the perp really thought about, they possibly wouldn’t go through with it.

What I am open to is the possibility that CB was connected to other low-life sickos in Portugal at the time. It’s possible IMO that CB took MM, probably impulsively and then later on but soon after the abduction other people were involved.

Given MS’s comments and HCW’s refusal to answer questions on the two Russian’s, I think they are suspected of involvement.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

It seems that MWT has interviewed HCW (or perhaps someone else of the team) too for his documentary?
26 July 2021; Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1419763018561372162/photo/1

Definitely the right office. I Don’t think HCW cares about the quality of the reporting, more about publicity. MWT gives him access to a large number of viewers. I do wonder if he needs someone from the Tapas group to rethink their story or more likely, admit to not telling the truth - all MO only.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Definitely the right office. I Don’t think HCW cares about the quality of the reporting, more about publicity. MWT gives him access to a large number of viewers. I do wonder if he needs someone from the Tapas group to rethink their story or more likely, admit to not telling the truth - all MO only.

To link it to the tapas group seems to be a daring thought, as it indicates some kind of involvement of the group members. IMO there isn't any clue about it yet.

If you ask me, the possible link to the english speaking community should be sought in the "hurt meh" community, that has been (and others had been as well) investigated between 2017 and 2019.

Everything we think to know about CB's modus operandi in the rape case(s) and his paedochat confessions seem to point out to the dark web - english spoken - footage based "hurtcore-community".

Unfortuneatly i have to read about cases in germany every day since 2019, that go far beyond abuse. In almost every case i read about, that there is an additional sadistic element. The interesting thing about it is, that all of the perps seem to confess immediately, as if they do not want some other circumstances to be investigated.

So CB could have been a part of this community ad well and may have confessed about a lot more online, than he did in the real world whilst being drunk.

In the end, there must be a reason why he came into focus in a worldwide known case, after 20 years living a "low average" criminal profile.

 

[Anxala]

Definitely the right office. I Don’t think HCW cares about the quality of the reporting, more about publicity. MWT gives him access to a large number of viewers. I do wonder if he needs someone from the Tapas group to rethink their story or more likely, admit to not telling the truth - all MO only.

He should care if he wants his investigation to be taken seriously.

MWT is not remotely a good look for him at this very late stage of his investigation.

To say it looks desperate is putting it mildly.

 

[SuperdadV8]

To link it to the tapas group seems to be a daring thought, as it indicates some kind of involvement of the group members. IMO there isn't any clue about it yet.

If you ask me, the possible link to the english speaking community should be sought in the "hurt meh" community, that has been (and others had been as well) investigated between 2017 and 2019.

Everything we think to know about CB's modus operandi in the rape case(s) and his paedochat confessions seem to point out to the dark web - english spoken - footage based "hurtcore-community".

Unfortuneatly i have to read about cases in germany every day since 2019, that go far beyond abuse. In almost every case i read about, that there is an additional sadistic element. The interesting thing about it is, that all of the perps seem to confess immediately, as if they do not want some other circumstances to be investigated.

So CB could have been a part of this community ad well and may have confessed about a lot more online, than he did in the real world whilst being drunk.

In the end, there must be a reason why he came into focus in a worldwide known case, after 20 years living a "low average" criminal profile.

Just look at his past and some reports.

Rejected, beaten and abused by his own "mothers"! Even his times at the orphanage shouldn't have been like funny holidays. That's not new, isn't it?!

Dogs buried with their heads sticking out of the soil in Neuwegersleben. To me it looks like somebody that is into torturing. Maybe seeing it as some kind of arts.

Often it just starts with animals, has a kind of development on the weak like old and young people and if there isn't a human victim in sight, these people take what they can get. To me it doesn't look like the animals at Neuwegersleben had a funeral as we know about them.

I would bet that CB bought this place to produce footage without being disturbed. And there should be a lot of footage existing, including other evidence, that convinces HCW to do, what his team is doing. By the way, he is just the press speaker!

Mrs. Ute L., as the head of the sexually based crime division, should be in charge of the investigation. Just remember CB's "press statement".

 

[Denis R Tandib]

o link it to the tapas group seems to be a daring thought, as it indicates some kind of involvement of the group members. IMO there isn't any clue about it yet.

I didn’t say or suggest they were involved. I hope and think that HCW’s case is very strong. I think going public has always been about adding finishing touches and cleaning up loose ends. The latter is where the Tapas group fit in - some of their statements provide good opportunities for CB’s defenders, we have already seen FF plant the seeds on this.

In terms of real clues on darkweb and paedo sites, other than the 2013 chat and MT’s comments, what else is there?

He came into focus for MM because of HB’s statement, the box factory findings may have added fuel to these flames.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

HCW did start all of this by stating that MM was killed by CB and that he did had clear evidence that he couldn't share but if he were to share it all people would conclude as well that CB did kill MM. HCW also stated for a long time that CB acted alone. IF and this is a big IF HCW NOW changes the version of his "story" to include 2 Russians or whatever then it will no longer be credible and the entire "story" will be "compromised". Including 2 Russians on the "story" will mean that most likely MM would need to be alive unless CB were to "sell" or pass on a dead body of MM to the Russians (and that for me doesn't make any sort of sense) and so the "evidences" that HCW apparently have will no longer be viable or credible because MM after all would need to be alive with the Russians. And if HCW did "lie" when he strongly stated to have "secret" clear evidences against "CB" (regarding MM case) now if he changes the version of the events to something like "it was other guys after all" for me all the credibility of his statements will amount to 0 because if he already told the world a wrong story (about CB) there is no reason to believe on a 2nd version of the story (the Russians did it). So as I stated from the start (unfortunately) it does look like my first assumptions when I did start to post here were correct and this investigation (HCW/BKA) is going nowhere (regarding MM as they still might be able to charge CB over some other crimes in PORTUGAL). If HCW do decide to change significantly his initial statements for me it's "game over" for him and the reputation of BKA will be affected by his actions as well. Hope HCW do know what he is doing and what is at stake here.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

General considerations since thread #24 page 46 :

- CB "Bunker" is not a physical WWII Bunker (to protect from bombing) but the word is used as a "dungeon" to hide kids. Example - Marc Dutroux "Bunker" or "dungeon". Word is often use to describe secret basements where people are entrapped as well.

- NSW man sentenced to 30 years’ jail for child abuse link and other links of the sort are NOT related to CB/MM in any way/sort/form.

- Darkweb platforms for pedophilia are shut down and busted every now and then. Typically they don't stay "on line" for more than 2 years each. There are no long term sites like that running on DarkWeb as eventually they are busted/shut down no matter what, even if people are not arrested. Links to abductors of strangers in Europe running those sites are not know. By norm the "victims" are related to the abusers and the abusers have access to the children in order to abuse without raising suspicion. A "kidnapping" would immediately raise suspicion and the kidnapped child would be ID on the abuse footages.

- "Diakonie" connection or "Church" connection - No way. Just check ALL known abductions of children in Europe - the cases that were "solved" and the cases where a body did end up appearing because the child was abducted/killed by a pedophile. How many of them are church related ? Answer - none. BIG "scandals" like the "Casa Pia" scandal will involve church or care center "organized" crime to abuse victims that are UNDER THEIR CARE. They don't go out to abduct strange children when they can "EXPLOIT" (more safely) the children that are under their "jurisdiction". For someone running a house full of children if they were to abuse victims they would exploit the vulnerable ones on the institution that they already run and if they were doing that for many years they would not risk to go out and abduct extra children for abuse as that would raise unwanted attention and in "historical" terms did never happen. By norm in Europe if a child is taken for abuse/killing it's either done by a single pedo/serial killer or in some cases there might be accomplices but by norm it tends to be "one". So "by norm" it will be either one or 2 "killers"/"abusers" and NOT a "conspiracy" type of network. Just check all known cases IN EUROPE and check how many were done by a "network" and how many were done by single individual. Check as well the type of crimes (child abuse related) done by "networks". You will see a pattern. This will applies to Europe mainly. A kidnapper might be catholic but this doesn't mean that there is a conspiracy or organized network to kidnap. The same as is a kidnapper likes apples or oranges it will not tells us that all people that eat apples and oranges are kidnappers. And by the way I'm not catholic. Same goes for other church based abuse like priests beating nuns or stealing money. They exploit what they have at hand and they don't go out to do the same sort of crime outside the church.

- If there were footage of MM under abuse it would have been revealed by now and the data would have been entered on international database. The parents would have been notified as they would need to recognize the body, etc. There is no way for such thing to have been found. Also this would "force" HCW to stay with the first statements that CB did kill MM if the "evidence" that he have pointing to CB killing MM were photo/video related. he couldn't now say that "oh it was 2 Russians instead"...

- CMK case is NOT connected to CB. Media just "exploited" the MM/CB case to bring attention to CMK case otherwise it wouldn't be so "mediatic" and some police forces just wanted by all means to have participation on the MM case. No way for the guy running the BoysTown or whatever to have a link to CB or to MM killer (even if he were another person). Goes without saying that there is the possibility of MM killer to have used/register on that site but if we consider that DarkWeb child abuse related sites are "created" and busted more or less from 2 to 2 years and that no site lasts more than 2 or 3 years CB would have been on jail already and if not those networks would have been created way longer after MM case/abduction.

- More 350K for operation grange is a waste of public money. They can't crack the case and continue to require public money. They are just requesting/using money without following specific leads/suspects, money that could be used to attempt to solve other crimes. BKA is now "leading" with his suspects whatever is CB or Russians so let them use their money/investigation for now and use the 350K to finance the search/investigation of other missing children.

- Kentler experiments are un-related to kidnapping 3rd party children. It's "similar" in some ways to Kinsey Institute / Kinsey Reports / experiments.

- "Ritual abuse" most likely doesn't apply to CB. If we are to believe on the chat where he stated that he wanted to rape and torture children it's more likely a sadistic pedo rather then a Satanist. Otherwise we would have something among the lines of "offering lives to the devil", etc on the interception of communications. Same style of zodiac killer talk when he was saying that the people he did kill would be his slaves on the afterlife. If CB were to be doing the abuses for satanic/ritualistic motivation there would be "evidences" of that on the interception of communications.

- That Michael Shrimpton "theory" and that DVD (Deutsches Verteidigungs Dienst) stuff not only is floating on the net for many years now as well it's entire bull**** .... No point in believing that stuff.

- About "toddler childporn star" - if that was observed by LEA/someone in order to produce the article the "content" of that thread on that forum was accessed and checked as well. If there were images/videos of MM (or any other missing children for that matter) there one would have IMMEDIATELY all the media reporting "MM images found on pedophile web site" with some cropped samples.

- "Hurtcore" stuff mentioned relates to sadistic pedos that like to torture victims. It doesn't relate to missing children IN EUROPE and it doesn't relate to HCW statements that say that CB did kill MM. Just because some sadistic guy/serial killer did torture the victims first (even adults) doesn't necessary mean network operation. Even if "alone" CB might have tortured victims (without network or 3rd party) so the documentaries posted about the subject are not linked to the specific circumstances that HCW is claiming. Also most likely some "hurtcore" content is most likely "fake" or produced on Asia. I do not know of European abducted/kidnapped children that were used to produce hurtcore content to post on the darkweb despite that there are many child killers that tortured victims like for example Alesha MacPhail killer. In other words even if the killing/abuse is "sadistic" by nature it doesn't necessarily relate to a "Hurtcore" network. By norm it's a single psycho/killer and if CB were to be one (as he can be) doing a rape/killing or a rape/torture/killing alone would be a possibility but wouldn't necessarily require a 3rd party so no need to go intro "conspiracy" and big networks, etc while the same crime by norm is done by single (or sometimes 2) psychopath killer(s).

- If CB did torture and produce footage/media of children on the Neuwegersleben property 1) Those footages would be known by now and 2) There would be "traces" of the victims on Neuwegersleben. Then that would be more than enough to charge CB without the need of all of this "secret evidence stuff".

 

[tedtink]

Due to being AWOL for a while and being a little behind on the thread I don't know if this Podcast has already been mentioned here, haven't listened yet myself, but just in case anyone has missed it..........

"But as German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters continues his lengthy investigation into the life and crimes of Christian Brueckner, the suspect broke his silence this week when he sent a letter and drawings to German newspaper Bild demanding that Wolters resign.
Nicola Tallant talks to Bild’s chief reporter Kai Feldhaus about the extraordinary correspondence and the sinister background of the man at the centre of the Maddie disappearance."

Episode 32: The horrifying crimes of Maddie McCann suspect Christian Brueckner

 

[Lilly b]

Due to being AWOL for a while and being a little behind on the thread I don't know if this Podcast has already been mentioned here, haven't listened yet myself, but just in case anyone has missed it..........

"But as German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters continues his lengthy investigation into the life and crimes of Christian Brueckner, the suspect broke his silence this week when he sent a letter and drawings to German newspaper Bild demanding that Wolters resign.
Nicola Tallant talks to Bild’s chief reporter Kai Feldhaus about the extraordinary correspondence and the sinister background of the man at the centre of the Maddie disappearance."

Episode 32: The horrifying crimes of Maddie McCann suspect Christian Brueckner

Yes, we have seen it, we are now aware that mwt is making a 3 part documentary for Channel 5 UK, whether anything new comes to light, is anyones guess though

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Worth a watch if you’ve not already seen it.

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This too!

 

[Anxala]

How and why is HCW publicly going after CB like this? Is this really how law and justice should be carried out?? Charge a suspect you have evidence on or carry out your investigations quietly until you know either way. This case is just one **** show after the other. It’s a good job CB is an abhorrent *** because it’s a ridiculous way to pursue a possibly innocent (in this case only) man IMO

Very much my thoughts too.

The entire approach just seems so bizarre and unprofessional and agenda-laden, particularly when we're now 14 months down the line with absolutely nothing to show for it.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

New Break in Maddie McCann Case Centers on Killer Pedophile

The connection to MN has been discussed at length on this forum, once CB was publicly outed.

Does anyone else think the date on the above article adds more weight to the connection?