Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #25

[mrjitty]

It does not seem to be a cellar because of those windows. The cellar should be underground and should not have any windows at all.

It's weird that the article isn't showing any images of the interior of the cellar.
The images only show the cellar's entrance in/on the floor.

There is no cellar

It's just a void under the floor.

It's alleged by the article that CB dug it out - but we've yet to see any credible source for that.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

If that were to be the case :

1) There would be "evidences" or "traces" of children keept there and/or items used to hold/abuse the children.

2) If CB were to be a sadistic pedo torturer/killer he would hold the victims on that perfect place he did had, if nothing was found it's not likely that CB would be a serial killer that would taarget multiple children for abuse on random places instead of holding them on the "dungeon" he already had, as he had the "perfect places" he would do it. If there are no traces it's not likely for him to commit the killings and hide the body/do the abuse on a kidnapped children somewhere else. So it's all media speculation and things are written to "impress" - same as that "bull****" hurstcore documentary posted here a while ago...

3) As the article stated it was never determined that CB did build a dungeon like Josef Fritzl. Even if he told that on internet comunications it doesn't necessary have to be true. Example he could had told that to another pedo on the internet to attempt to gain access to content or trade "stories", etc ...

Now you are refuting points that I didn’t make. I didn’t say he was a serial killer that built a dungeon and tortured kids in it.

My point is only that he lived in a small shack with a cellar, he is a sadistic rapist and a child molester. It has been reported that he wanted to build a Josef Fritzl dungeon. Given this context, “sinister” is an appropriate description.

 

[Sharkbite]

There is no cellar

It's just a void under the floor.

It's alleged by the article that CB dug it out - but we've yet to see any credible source for that.

From the Daily Mail version of this latest Mirror article.

Manfred Richter, 80, said: 'Brueckner excavated the floor of the house. He took out the rocks and the earth. He dug a big hole. It was 10ft deep and 20ft wide. He carried out the rocks and earth by hand and dumped it out by the front of the house.

'He put put planks of wood over the top of the hole. It took him two months to complete. He started in the morning and worked until evening. Doing this work got him in trouble with the authorities in charge of the gardens.'

Pictured: Maddie suspect's 'dungeon' under convicted paedophile's house - where he wanted a basement | Daily Mail Online

Historical Google Earth also shows a large mound of earth to the side of the house.
July 2016

 

[Trivento]

Now you are refuting points that I didn’t make. I didn’t say he was a serial killer that built a dungeon and tortured kids in it.

My point is only that he lived in a small shack with a cellar, he is a sadistic rapist and a child molester. It has been reported that he wanted to build a Josef Fritzl dungeon. Given this context, “sinister” is an appropriate description.

Agree here...perhaps CB was in process of making cellar with a certain " sinister " intent ( maybe for some other future victim who even CB hadn't become aware of yet ) .... there has to be a first time for everything and is possible he hadn't got round to using it yet , before he abandoned the hut...so wouldn't necessarily be evidence of anything inside the hole...imo

 

[mrjitty]

From the Daily Mail version of this latest Mirror article.

Manfred Richter, 80, said: 'Brueckner excavated the floor of the house. He took out the rocks and the earth. He dug a big hole. It was 10ft deep and 20ft wide. He carried out the rocks and earth by hand and dumped it out by the front of the house.

'He put put planks of wood over the top of the hole. It took him two months to complete. He started in the morning and worked until evening. Doing this work got him in trouble with the authorities in charge of the gardens.'

Pictured: Maddie suspect's 'dungeon' under convicted paedophile's house - where he wanted a basement | Daily Mail Online

Historical Google Earth also shows a large mound of earth to the side of the house.
July 2016

Thanks. I agree this appears to be sourced now.

But we have no idea why he was doing it.

 

[tedtink]

Thanks. I agree this appears to be sourced now.

But we have no idea why he was doing it.

Perhaps to store his bumper crop of spuds.

 

[mrjitty]

Perhaps to store his bumper crop of spuds.

Drugs? Stolen goods?

Maybe he had the idea to create another room (the shack is not big for living?)

What we do know is he never actually built a cellar

Creating a cellar under an existing structure is not that easy.

You need to open a void then set a floor and walls, all while having regard to drainage etc

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Drugs? Stolen goods?

Maybe he had the idea to create another room (the shack is not big for living?)

What we do know is he never actually built a cellar

Creating a cellar under an existing structure is not that easy.

You need to open a void then set a floor and walls, all while having regard to drainage etc

On several occasions, he has tortured and raped women while video recording these acts. IMO, it’s believable that he was building cellars for this purpose whether he went through with it or not.

What we know about his drug dealing and thefts is that they were very small scale, probably not big enough to require a cellar to be built.

 

[tedtink]

Drugs? Stolen goods?

Maybe he had the idea to create another room (the shack is not big for living?)

What we do know is he never actually built a cellar

Creating a cellar under an existing structure is not that easy.

You need to open a void then set a floor and walls, all while having regard to drainage etc

I tend to think that the 'friend' may have added the Joseph Fritzl remark himself, after he'd heard about the CB/ MM/ paedophile connection.
Like you say, building or digging out an existing cellar or 'the existing ventilation space under the floorboards' would mean having to use reinforcements such as RSJ's in order to help support the existing structure imo.

 

[Lilly b]

On several occasions, he has tortured and raped women while video recording these acts. IMO, it’s believable that he was building cellars for this purpose whether he went through with it or not.

What we know about his drug dealing and thefts is that they were very small scale, probably not big enough to require a cellar to be built.

I wouldn't say his drug dealing was small, not from the info there is about him serving time, that's not for small quantities.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I tend to think that the 'friend' may have added the Joseph Fritzl remark himself, after he'd heard about the CB/ MM/ paedophile connection.
Like you say, building or digging out an existing cellar or 'the existing ventilation space under the floorboards' would mean having to use reinforcements such as RSJ's in order to help support the existing structure imo.

Depends on the sophistication of the construction and the builder.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I wouldn't say his drug dealing was small, not from the info there is about him serving time, that's not for small quantities.

He wasn’t Pablo Escobar! What evidence is there that CB ever needed more than a bag to move/store his narcotics? I really don’t think he was building a cellar to store drugs - in the main, he sold drugs to holiday makers for quick cash.

 

[Lilly b]

He wasn’t Pablo Escobar! What evidence is there that CB ever needed more than a bag to move/store his narcotics? I really don’t think he was building a cellar to store drugs - in the main, he sold drugs to holiday makers for quick cash.

I have no idea what the cellar was for, but he did a big drug deal in sylt, or should I say he only got caught once, so he may of done several big deals there.

 

[mrjitty]

Now you are refuting points that I didn’t make. I didn’t say he was a serial killer that built a dungeon and tortured kids in it.

My point is only that he lived in a small shack with a cellar, he is a sadistic rapist and a child molester. It has been reported that he wanted to build a Josef Fritzl dungeon. Given this context, “sinister” is an appropriate description.

My point is there is no cellar!

This is another example of misleading reporting. For some reason, he illegally excavated a pit under the hut. Perhaps to build a cellar. But he never actually did that. Either because he got in trouble, or ran out of time, or (quite likely) it is reasonably difficult to do, without investing in materials etc to create a proper floor, walls, and maintain support for the structure above.

This also illustrates a point I made months ago. These allotments are not really practical for "sinister" activity. The blocks are small, and the structures are often little more than wooden huts. Being germany, your elderly neighbours will be all over your comings and goings and no doubt reporting you to the Verein

 

[mrjitty]

Depends on the sophistication of the construction and the builder.

It can't just be a pit though - otherwise it will be full of water in bad weather and start to collapse.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

My point is there is no cellar!

This is another example of misleading reporting. For some reason, he illegally excavated a pit under the hut. Perhaps to build a cellar. But he never actually did that. Either because he got in trouble, or ran out of time, or (quite likely) it is reasonably difficult to do, without investing in materials etc to create a proper floor, walls, and maintain support for the structure above.

This also illustrates a point I made months ago. These allotments are not really practical for "sinister" activity. The blocks are small, and the structures are often little more than wooden huts. Being germany, your elderly neighbours will be all over your comings and goings and no doubt reporting you to the Verein

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We agree he dug a hole under his shack. I think it’s reasonable that his intention was to turn this hole into a cellar for raping and/or molesting - his prior convictions suggest this is a possibility.

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[Denis R Tandib]

I have no idea what the cellar was for, but he did a big drug deal in sylt, or should I say he only got caught once, so he may of done several big deals there.

He bought 2kg of cannabis:
'Wanted drug dealer who supplied Madeleine McCann suspect could solve case'

Below is what it looks like.

I don’t think he needs to dig a cellar.

 

[misty48]

Do any of our German members have access to this full interview which is behind a paywall?
Vorwürfe vom Ex-Kripochef: „Maddies Entführung wurde simuliert“

 

[SuperdadV8]

Do any of our German members have access to this full interview which is behind a paywall?
Vorwürfe vom Ex-Kripochef: „Maddies Entführung wurde simuliert“

Here is the free british version of it!

Ex-Maddie cop blames PARENTS for disappearance & says suspect innocent

 

[Chiatos]

My point is there is no cellar!

This is another example of misleading reporting. For some reason, he illegally excavated a pit under the hut. Perhaps to build a cellar. But he never actually did that. Either because he got in trouble, or ran out of time, or (quite likely) it is reasonably difficult to do, without investing in materials etc to create a proper floor, walls, and maintain support for the structure above.

This also illustrates a point I made months ago. These allotments are not really practical for "sinister" activity. The blocks are small, and the structures are often little more than wooden huts. Being germany, your elderly neighbours will be all over your comings and goings and no doubt reporting you to the Verein

IMO the reporter should have published an image of the cellar from inside instead of showing the entrance. But perhaps he had no permission to, we can't know for sure.

In The Netherlands, many old "recreatieparken" (holiday parks) have turned into permanent criminal dwellings. Originally the parks were meant for the occasional holiday goers, however some parks ended up as spots for permanent tenants, just like the (German) allotments we have been discussing in this topic.

The holiday parks have proven to be an ideal spot for organised crime to keep as much as possible out of sight.
Dutch police has been kept quite busy for many years as organised crime has been exploiting sinister activities in these parks such as producing drugs and exploiting prostitution.
I can envisage someone as CB in such an environment. Whether he dug out a cellar, who knows? But we all know that an underground cellar would be sound proof.

Some examples: DPG Media Privacy Gate
'Verpauperde vakantieparken zijn criminele schuilplaatsen', speerpunt Taskforce Brabant-Zeeland
DPG Media Privacy Gate.