Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #25

[Denis R Tandib]

IMO the reporter should have published an image of the cellar from inside instead of showing the entrance. But perhaps he had no permission to, we can't know for sure.

In The Netherlands, many old "recreatieparken" (holiday parks) have turned into permanent criminal dwellings. Originally the parks were meant for the occasional holiday goers, however some parks ended up as spots for permanent tenants, just like the (German) allotments we have been discussing in this topic.

The holiday parks have proven to be an ideal spot for organised crime to keep as much as possible out of sight.
Dutch police has been kept quite busy for many years as organised crime has been exploiting sinister activities in these parks such as producing drugs and exploiting prostitution.
I can envisage someone as CB in such an environment. Whether he dug out a cellar, who knows? But we all know that an underground cellar would be sound proof.

Some examples: DPG Media Privacy Gate
'Verpauperde vakantieparken zijn criminele schuilplaatsen', speerpunt Taskforce Brabant-Zeeland
DPG Media Privacy Gate.

There is a Dutch crime drama on Netflix called “Undercover” that is set in one of these locations - it’s very good.

 

[Sharkbite]

Just a thought....

Adrian V. had his server room in the basement of his mother's Munster 'Gartenlaube' property.

Without knowing how deeply involved CB was with the Darknet it's of course impossible to know if this could have been his intention.

Adrian V. basement server room Credit @DPA

 

[misty48]

Do any of our German members have access to this full interview which is behind a paywall?
Vorwürfe vom Ex-Kripochef: „Maddies Entführung wurde simuliert“

Here is the free british version of it!

Ex-Maddie cop blames PARENTS for disappearance & says suspect innocent

Thank you. I have already read the UK version which gave a link to the Bild article. I just wondered if there was anything more in the German account of the interview.

 

[mrjitty]

IMO the reporter should have published an image of the cellar from inside instead of showing the entrance.

The reason there are no cellar pictures is because there is no cellar.

He dug a hole under the floor boards. That's all there is to see.

 

[mrjitty]

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We agree he dug a hole under his shack. I think it’s reasonable that his intention was to turn this hole into a cellar for raping and/or molesting - his prior convictions suggest this is a possibility.

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I am not having a go at you - just pointing out that the article is completely misleading

1. There is no cellar

2. There is no link to the MM case.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Do any of our German members have access to this full interview which is behind a paywall?
Vorwürfe vom Ex-Kripochef: „Maddies Entführung wurde simuliert“

Thank you. I have already read the UK version which gave a link to the Bild article. I just wondered if there was anything more in the German account of the interview.

Can't tell you, sorry! It's behind a paywall in germany as well. But i do not think, that the german article contains any further info.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

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I can envisage someone as CB in such an environment. Whether he dug out a cellar, who knows? But we all know that an underground cellar would be sound proof.

Except that all allotments were checked and nothing like that was found.... So yes even if CB have "fantasies" about this sort of thing the fact is the sound proof underground celler was never built by him at least on those German allotments so he couldn't had keept/rape children there. It the facility was never build to start with then the facility couldn't be use. Doesn't matter if he would like to have such place and do such things.

It's like i would love to be rich and have several boats (for example) but i don't have any if someone is found dead on a boat or if drugs are found on a boat you can't blame me for the killing/traffic just because i would like to have a boat,

You can't say that the house is a "horror" place where CB lived when nothing out of the ordinary happened there. So it's all media tricks.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

(...)Being germany, your elderly neighbours will be all over your comings and goings and no doubt reporting you to the Verein

This is 100% true and by irony of destiny it did happen with CB as well. If CB were to take any child to neuwegersleben allotment the neighbours would be aware. Also there would be no way to hold children on those places. The "bunker" or secret basement was never fully build anywhere so all the neighbours would ear the noise of children and would see CB entering/exiting etc.

 

[Lilly b]

Here is the free british version of it!

Ex-Maddie cop blames PARENTS for disappearance & says suspect innocent

Ha, what a joker he is

 

[SuperdadV8]

Ha, what a joker he is

GA's agenda is difficult to understand IMO. His arguments are pretty unsubstantiated. And they are made made by a former cop and criminalist!

Just because a criminal doesn't leave any fingerprints, he couldn't be on the crime scene? I mean, how smart is a criminal that leaves his fingerprints or other clues at the crime scene? I would be like smiling into a CCTV camera whilst smashing the window of a jewellery?! But the holidaymakers fingerprints on holiday apartment windows are suspicious?

Why is he saying this over and over again? Blaming parents for an allegedly "unusual" behavior? How usual was his behavior from 2004 to 2008 in the JC and MM cases, hm?

Removing him from that case, maybe after some other bad press reports after the JC case, must have been a pain in the **** for his ego? Then the legal struggle with the MC's over the years. Is he looking for some kind of revenge?

Or is there something more about him? Is he trying to fool the world or what?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

GA's agenda is difficult to understand IMO. His arguments are pretty unsubstantiated. And they are made made by a former cop and criminalist!

Just because a criminal doesn't leave any fingerprints, he couldn't be on the crime scene? I mean, how smart is a criminal that leaves his fingerprints or other clues at the crime scene? I would be like smiling into a CCTV camera whilst smashing the window of a jewellery?! But the holidaymakers fingerprints on holiday apartment windows are suspicious?

Why is he saying this over and over again? Blaming parents for an allegedly "unusual" behavior? How usual was his behavior from 2004 to 2008 in the JC and MM cases, hm?

Removing him from that case, maybe after some other bad press reports after the JC case, must have been a pain in the **** for his ego? Then the legal struggle with the MC's over the years. Is he looking for some kind of revenge?

Or is there something more about him? Is he trying to fool the world or what?

I think his agenda is that he is utterly convinced that GM and KM are responsible for this crime. If that is true, his behaviour is fair, he wants to clear his name and ensure the McCanns are found responsible.

Crimes of this nature committed by strangers are very rare. Police detectives always look at the person who reported the crime (KM) and the last person who saw the victim alive (GM) first, they do this for a reason. As far as we no, it’s not just fingerprints missing from the scene, it’s any evidence at all to support an abduction. IMO, I think the McCanns did/do act unusually in the situation of having lost a child.

I think GA’s position is understandable but he doesn’t do himself any favours by being closed to other options - this, I think, makes him look like a bad detective.

I’m not blaming the parents but I am open to anything with this case.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I think his agenda is that he is utterly convinced that GM and KM are responsible for this crime. If that is true, his behaviour is fair, he wants to clear his name and ensure the McCanns are found responsible.

Crimes of this nature committed by strangers are very rare. Police detectives always look at the person who reported the crime (KM) and the last person who saw the victim alive (GM) first, they do this for a reason. As far as we no, it’s not just fingerprints missing from the scene, it’s any evidence at all to support an abduction. IMO, I think the McCanns did/do act unusually in the situation of having lost a child.

I think GA’s position is understandable but he doesn’t do himself any favours by being closed to other options - this, I think, makes him look like a bad detective.

I’m not blaming the parents but I am open to anything with this case.

I understand your opinion. But IMO the biggest evidence of an abduction is a missing victim.

The MM case isn't the first case of a missing child, where no other traces, clues, evidence had been found on the crime scene. Just look at the MN cases. Not a single trace, except a single slightly opened window. And that is a fact!

Following GA's logic, the supervisors of these victims must have simulated the abduction to cover up an accident, if you know what i mean.....

GA's argumentation is a very poor criminalistic way of thinking. Seems like he still stucks in the "successfully solved" JC case (together with his "buddy" Paolo C.!), that had a lot of discussable circumstances IMO....

 

[Trivento]

He bought 2kg of cannabis:
'Wanted drug dealer who supplied Madeleine McCann suspect could solve case'

Below is what it looks like.

I don’t think he needs to dig a cellar.

Like you have said recently....we may never know reason for hole below hut.
However just been watching ep.1 of the Discovery + doc again and there DF said CB told him he wanted to hide 50kg of cannabis in a cavity of his huge Winnebago campervan ...perhaps of interest..

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Like you have said recently....we may never know reason for hole below hut.
However just been watching ep.1 of the Discovery + doc again and there DF said CB told him he wanted to hide 50kg of cannabis in a cavity of his huge Winnebago campervan ...perhaps of interest..

I’m happy for everyone to think that CB is a terrestrial Han Solo smuggling 50kgs of drugs from country to country and burying large quantities of narcotics under his house.

If he was such a big time drug dealer, why was he living in squalor and stealing cameras and traveler’s cheques?

IMO CB is a small time dealer and thief. He’s a big time pervert, rapist and molester. I think that’s what his history tells us.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I understand your opinion. But IMO the biggest evidence of an abduction is a missing victim.

The MM case isn't the first case of a missing child, where no other traces, clues, evidence had been found on the crime scene. Just look at the MN cases. Not a single trace, except a single slightly opened window. And that is a fact!

Following GA's logic, the supervisors of these victims must have simulated the abduction to cover up an accident, if you know what i mean.....

GA's argumentation is a very poor criminalistic way of thinking. Seems like he still stucks in the "successfully solved" JC case (together with his "buddy" Paolo C.!), that had a lot of discussable circumstances IMO....

To be fair, children go missing without a trace at the hands of their parents too - probably more often than they do so at the hands of strangers.

If it’s ultimately a sad ending for MM, which is likely, I really hope that CB or someone similar is responsible and the McCanns can be cleared.

Until that is proven, I’m open to involvement from anyone.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

1. There is no cellar

2. There is no link to the MM case.

1. Not a completed one but he dug a hole, purportedly to build a cellar.

2. Except of course that the owner of the incomplete cellar, dungeon or as you would probably prefer, vault, is the prime suspect in her abduction and murder.

 

[Trivento]

I’m happy for everyone to think that CB is a terrestrial Han Solo smuggling 50kgs of drugs from country to country and burying large quantities of narcotics under his house.

He also said something about being able to transport a child in the Winnebago..hidden.
It’s just as likely the hole below the hut was intended to conceal a child as you said..imo
Perhaps CB was never even sure himself…just wanted to make the hole to conceal something which he may have changed his mind about from day to day even.

My hope , or rather ….preferred explanation ,is not that someone like CB is responsible for MM disappearance - least worst option is of course perhaps a couple who wanted to care for a child…but that is unlikely I guess…

 

[Denis R Tandib]

He also said something about being able to transport a child in the Winnebago..hidden.
It’s just as likely the hole below the hut was intended to conceal a child as you said..imo
Perhaps CB was never even sure himself…just wanted to make the hole to conceal something which he may have changed his mind about from day to day even.

You could well be right, we’ll never know.

DF has been quoted as saying that. I think it supports my view that CB is a sinister person. If he’s digging a hole under his house and telling people it’s for sinister purposes, I don’t see why it’s so hard to believe.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

My hope is not that someone like CB is responsible for MM disappearance , least worst option is of course perhaps a couple who wanted to care for a child…but that is unlikely and probably wishful thinking.

I agree with you here. In my prior comment I was taking the position of the McCanns. If CB is ultimately found guilty of this crime, then they can finally be cleared of involvement.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

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