Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #25

[vermisstekindersuche]

RSBM

This is so obvious to me that i am 90% convinced there must be some particular reason why HCW is not doing this. Indeed he spectacularly created an incident with them over his supposed letter he sent.

My speculation is that the official narrative of the case is somehow an issue for HCWs theory. I've long wondered if part of his media efforts do not target the T9

Something is not right at all with HCW statments.

1) He can lie all that he wants, he doesn't have the obligation to tell the truth,

2) If they were sure that MM was dead they would had to contact the parents for ID. This if there were media of possible MM.

3) There are many cases where there are no body yet person is declared dead. Might even be natural disaster or drowning where there is 100% certain that person is dead but body can't be recovered. Happen as well with killers that dispose of bodies yet person are declared dead. You need a death certificate and to make a "funeral" even if you don't have body. So if HCW/BKA are sure MM is no longer alive they have to tell family so they can have a death certificate for MM for legal terms. There is no way arround it and the "investigation" doesn't matter as well. If they are sure or they have evidence they have to tell.

4) No reason at all not to have parents as process "assistent". Legaly they do need to supply parents with info as they will have access to the process, etc... Also the ward of court, etc... If MM can't be retrieved alive they have to supply to the parents the info they have about how she died even if they can't recover the body.

5) If CB were to be investigated over other matter not rlated to MM - like MM to be just a "disguise" for real investigation they couldn't get the warrent for the public enquire. So if they oppen the public enquire that would require superior authorization and "evidences" that CB was linked to MM but at the same time there is some reason they are not directly contacting the parents.

6) HCW told the world he didn't want to drag this forever but for me this is what he will do if he can't be 100% sure he will be able to charge CB with MM crime.

7) Even when you are very ill at hospital for many time and even if all people know who you are and that you are going to die, when you do die they still require for someone from family to ID the body to get the death certificate and declare you dead. Meaning again that on MM case parents will have ALLWAYS to ID MM no matter if it's a video/photo showing her dead or alive. The first would most likely be enough for them to be able to get death certificate. They could hide the killer on the investigation but they would still require to provide MM parents with the info and way to get the certificate + make funeral celebration.

8) So HCW most likely is just saying he does have something he does not. He can lie, by law there is nothing to prevent him to do so in an attept for example to get CB to confess but ... Honestly it's on HCW hands now. Either he charge or he don't.

 

[SuperdadV8]

By law HCW/BKA would had to show the picture/video to MM parent's for positive ID of MM no matter what the video/images were to be about. They could show just some photograms, etc but they would be required ALLWAYS for MM parents to ID even if they were 100% sure to be MM.

That's not true according to german laws and you know that....!

So please do not spread false information.

 

[tedtink]

By law HCW/BKA would had to show the picture/video to MM parent's for positive ID of MM no matter what the video/images were to be about. They could show just some photograms, etc but they would be required ALLWAYS for MM parents to ID even if they were 100% sure to be MM.

BKA or OG may have done this.
We just don't know.

 

[Trivento]

That's not true according to german laws and you know that....!

So please do not spread false information.

I was wondering about this…I don’t know myself…but in all this time since HCW announcement , have never heard anyone else saying this anywhere …apart from Mr.VMK on here…

 

[SuperdadV8]

I was wondering about this…I don’t know myself…but in all this time since HCW announcement , have never heard anyone else saying this anywhere …apart from Mr.VMK on here…

The prosecutors have to do nothing else than to solve a case. Especially they do not have to share anything they have, just not to jeopardise any investigation. Period!

 

[SuperdadV8]

The prosecutors have to do nothing else than to solve a case. Especially they do not have to share anything they have, just not to jeopardise any investigation. Period!

They have to share some (!) evidence they have to achieve a search- or arrest warrant at a german court. Not more, not less. They do not even need the parents in general, to identify a victim.

Please do not buy everything that's being written in here!

 

[Anxala]

RSBM

This is so obvious to me that i am 90% convinced there must be some particular reason why HCW is not doing this. Indeed he spectacularly created an incident with them over his supposed letter he sent.

My speculation is that the official narrative of the case is somehow an issue for HCWs theory. I've long wondered if part of his media efforts do not target the T9

This is very much my position too. There's no way in the world that actual images of MM, still or otherwise, could be kept from her parents, which tells me that that's not what he has.

So I continue to wonder what it could be that HCW has that's in conflict with the official narrative.

Again, speculating, I wonder whether it could be a 'time' issue?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

That's not true according to german laws and you know that....!

So please do not spread false information.

Ok ! Thanks for the clarification then and sorry If i was mistaken.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

That's not true according to german laws and you know that....!

So please do not spread false information.

Ok, sorry If i was wrong. In general what I stated would apply to the majority of countries. Don't know about Germany in particular. If I was wrong thanks for the correction.

 

[SuperdadV8]

This is very much my position too. There's no way in the world that actual images of MM, still or otherwise, could be kept from her parents, which tells me that that's not what he has.

So I continue to wonder what it could be that HCW has that's in conflict with the official narrative.

Again, speculating, I wonder whether it could be a 'time' issue?

Why do you think that prosecutors would need MM's parents to be sure, if there is footage possibly existing?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Why do you think that prosecutors would need MM's parents to be sure, if there is footage possibly existing?

Your daughter went missing, some police force finds some photos of her on a darkweb/abuse site depicting someone killing her and it's tottaly ok for you if they simply don't tell you a thing and hide it from you for years because some investigation is going on while at the same time they call to some other parent saying that their son that they tought to have drown might have been killed after all by the same guy who killed your daughter .... It makes perfect sense !

 

[mrjitty]

Why do you think that prosecutors would need MM's parents to be sure, if there is footage possibly existing?

I don't think they need them for ID

I just think it is politically and morally impossible, that if they had such images, they would keep it secret from the parents who wait still more years to know what happened.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Your daughter went missing, some police force finds some photos of her on a darkweb/abuse site depicting someone killing her and it's tottaly ok for you if they simply don't tell you a thing and hide it from you for years because some investigation is going on while at the same time they call to some other parent saying that their son that they tought to have drown might have been killed after all by the same guy who killed your daughter .... It makes perfect sense !

They are prosecutors, not social workers! Sounds a bit like lack of empathy, but the real world isn't the "CSI" world.

In most of these cases (maybe not this one?!) the perp has some kind of connection to the family of the victim.

Would be pretty productive to hand out every clue to the parents and the people close to it, to read about the details in "The Sun" a few hours later, right?

Please excuse my directness, but in a investigative view, you are writing nonsense! No offense!

 

[mrjitty]

Your daughter went missing, some police force finds some photos of her on a darkweb/abuse site depicting someone killing her and it's tottaly ok for you if they simply don't tell you a thing and hide it from you for years because some investigation is going on while at the same time they call to some other parent saying that their son that they tought to have drown might have been killed after all by the same guy who killed your daughter .... It makes perfect sense !

Exactly.

I have never heard of such a thing.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

And the problem is the time that did went by ... It would be "reasonable" if HCW/BKA had collected info with the public appeal and had charged or at least questioned CB on the following weeks.

I don't think to be reasonable after more than a year for the sittuation to be on the same stage, for JC to be claiming that if they are going to charge it will be on the next year and for those claims that there are incoming good leads everyday.

Tips from the public / information don't fall from the sky.

If they didn't got what they needed when the placed the public appeal it's not now that they will get those pieces of information so they are just buying time, in my opinion ...

But of course i don't understand a thing about this so i'm just speculating...

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Exactly.

I have never heard of such a thing.

Even on Germany, take for example the link that I posted on the PK case where they requested family to provide info if they tought girl on child abuse images could be PK.....

 

[mrjitty]

They are prosecutors, not social workers! Sounds a bit like lack of empathy, but the real world isn't the "CSI" world.

In most of these cases (maybe not this one?!) the perp has some kind of connection to the family of the victim.

Would be pretty productive to hand out every clue to the parents and the people close to it, to read about the details in "The Sun" a few hours later, right?

Please excuse my directness, but in a investigative view, you are writing nonsense! No offense!

Why would the parents leak the details to the sun?

 

[SuperdadV8]

I don't think they need them for ID

I just think it is politically and morally impossible, that if they had such images, they would keep it secret from the parents who wait still more years to know what happened.

Morally impossible? What a statement from obviously somebody related to germany and it's laws! It's a BKA investigation right?! They investigate on wider scales.

They do not need parents to identify victims and that's a fact! Especially not in child cases.

Super recogniser - Wikipedia

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

They are prosecutors, not social workers! Sounds a bit like lack of empathy, but the real world isn't the "CSI" world.

In most of these cases (maybe not this one?!) the perp has some kind of connection to the family of the victim.

Would be pretty productive to hand out every clue to the parents and the people close to it, to read about the details in "The Sun" a few hours later, right?

Please excuse my directness, but in a investigative view, you are writing nonsense! No offense!

Yet HCW doesn't have any problem to go to every tv station and newspapers to promote his version that CB did kill MM....

Also what link would CB have with the MM parents ?

So ... if i'm writting nonsense i'm very sorry .... you see i did never work on investigations before and i don't know anything about that so ....

 

[mrjitty]

One of my ongoing problems with all of this is HCWs evidence is all so secret not even the Met police or Parents can know about it.

But CB is in jail!

What can possibly be so secret when the child is dead?