Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #25

[SuperdadV8]

It doesn't make sense to me authorities anywhere would need a victim's parents to identify the victim from an image.

The parents could say it's not her, because they really don't want it to be her. They don't want to believe it.

OR they could say they think it is her, because they are so desperate for an answer and for closure.

So what would asking the parents even provide investigators?
IMO only.

Right! Unusual after 14 years, because there is nothing to identify!

Never heard or read of police forces who asked the parents if they would identify their kid in a childporn or even hurtcore footage, PLEASE!!!

What are we discussing about?

By the way, every police force has professional employees for recognizing victims, displayed in crucial footage.

 

[SuperdadV8]

It doesn't make sense to me authorities anywhere would need a victim's parents to identify the victim from an image.

The parents could say it's not her, because they really don't want it to be her. They don't want to believe it.

OR they could say they think it is her, because they are so desperate for an answer and for closure.

So what would asking the parents even provide investigators?
IMO only.

Right! Unusual after 14 years, because there is nothing to identify!

Never heard or read of police forces who asked the parents if they would identify their kid in a childporn or even hurtcore footage, PLEASE!!!

What are we discussing about?

What would I have to gain if i were someone from the case to be writting here ? Would it change something regarding CB/HCW investigation ? Some of you readers could change view about the case by reading and thinking about what i write and so what ? At the end of the day what CB did and what HCW have on him would be the same and he would be charged or not despite of what i did write here.

And NO. I'm NOT anyone FROM THE MM CASE and I'm not related to any of the suspects as well. I'm not CB/lawyer/etc... Simple IP check will show that i'm not writting from jail (unlike you think) ...

KM started to do a job again! After 14 years, because she quit in 2007 to be there for the search of her missing girl!

What's your interpretation about it, hm?

 

[tedtink]

Right! Unusual after 14 years, because there is nothing to identify!

Never heard or read of police forces who asked the parents if they would identify their kid in a childporn or even hurtcore footage, PLEASE!!!

What are we discussing about?

By the way, every police force has professional employees for recognizing victims, displayed in crucial footage.

Rui Pedro's Mother formally id'd him from the 'Wonderland Club' photo's. So it's not unheard of.

Rui Pedro, missing and found on The Wonderland Club, child site

 

[Trivento]

KM started to do a job again! After 14 years, because she quit in 2007 to be there for the search of her missing girl!

What's your interpretation about it, hm?

In video link below from 2017 interview …at about 14m40s in…KM already talks about being back at work.
Think all the stuff in press recently is possibly just due to a bit of a change in nature of work and more hours being put in…imo..

Watch Madeleine McCann's parents' heartbreaking interview in full

 

[mrjitty]

What are we discussing about?

We are not talking about ID

We are saying that after 14 years, if LE found all or part of the answer of what happened to MM, they would share that with the victims. It's unimaginable that they would not do so (especially seeing the cloud that still hangs over their own actions). And there is no real reason why not to.

I mean 100 staff in germany are working on the case. It's not as if lots of people don't know already?

I can only believe that we are missing something here.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

We're just going in circles here, because they aren't even ready to interview and charge their suspect. Maybe it wouldn't be wise for them to reveal "concrete" evidence to the victims - yet.

 

[mrjitty]

We're just going in circles here, because they aren't even ready to interview and charge their suspect. Maybe it wouldn't be wise for them to reveal "concrete" evidence to the victims - yet.

I think your argument is the stronger one. They don't want to reveal to CB what the evidence is.

But that always takes me round in circles that if it really is video/photos - he knows those exist and where he hid them or shared them.

It's all very strange!

 

[Trivento]

But that always takes me round in circles that if it really is video/photos - he knows those exist and where he hid them or shared them.

Good point..but CB wouldn’t know specifics of which bits BKA managed to get..eg.quality,clarity etc. , if indeed police have such media .
Perhaps he would play safe and keep quiet …hoping that certain parts didn’t get through to police somehow …became corrupted or suchlike.
CB's in the dark to an extent ..like rest of us , so wouldn’t give anything away unless he has to …imo

 

[Denis R Tandib]

We are saying that after 14 years, if LE found all or part of the answer of what happened to MM, they would share that with the victims. It's unimaginable that they would not do so (especially seeing the cloud that still hangs over their own actions). And there is no real reason why not to.

I think you may be thinking this already but:

1. They wouldn’t share it with the McCanns if they thought they were somehow involved;
2. There may be a reason not to share it if the McCann’s and T9 statements a a long way from what really happened that night.

The way HCW has handled (fumbled) the relationship with the McCanns and their seeming lack of engagement/support to the investigation seems weird to me. Perhaps the above could explain it.

 

[JB1510]

Re - Rui Pedro

That was horrendous i remember it from the Netflix
series , that poor family . RIP Rui

 

[mrjitty]

I think you may be thinking this already but:

1. They wouldn’t share it with the McCanns if they thought they were somehow involved;
2. There may be a reason not to share it if the McCann’s and T9 statements a a long way from what really happened that night.

The way HCW has handled (fumbled) the relationship with the McCanns and their seeming lack of engagement/support to the investigation seems weird to me. Perhaps the above could explain it.

No 2 is my wild guess

At the moment CB has a prepack SODDI defence. Any successful prosecution has to deal with Tannerman etc.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Thanks for your first (in my opinion!) honest answer so far!

Yet I've been trully honest since my first post here...

 

[worldwatcher]

Right! Unusual after 14 years, because there is nothing to identify!

Never heard or read of police forces who asked the parents if they would identify their kid in a childporn or even hurtcore footage, PLEASE!!!

What are we discussing about?

By the way, every police force has professional employees for recognizing victims, displayed in crucial footage.

Just dropping in here to add something to this ongoing discussion.

There are several tools ,LE uses when it comes down to child abuse/trafficking.

Here are some links:
International Child Sexual Exploitation database
How Facial Recognition Is Fighting Child Sex Trafficking
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/facial-recognition-search-clearview-ai-child-abuse-id-2020-2?amp
Clearview’s Facial Recognition App Is Identifying Child Victims of Abuse (Published 2020)

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Just dropping in here to add something to this ongoing discussion.

There are several tools ,LE uses when it comes down to child abuse/trafficking.

Here are some links:
International Child Sexual Exploitation database
(...)

The first link you posted talks about ICSE that i've been posting for many time now.

If you are from interpol you can for example check if there are photos/videos of a specific child on the database. For example if you have access to ICSE you can search that database to see if there are entries for MM.

As I told many times now if HCW/BKA were to have found on darkweb/anywhere content of MM that content had to be added to ICSE. This is because
64 countries exchange info, meaning if Germany does want to access ICSE (and they do have access) they are complied to share as well.

Meaning all countries who have access to ICSE have to fill in all data that they found as well. Think about it, if you want for the tool to be of use you need for it to have the info. If one country just search and don't post/fill in data that wouldn't be of use to other investigators.

There is no way BKA would find images/videos of MM and hide it in a way not to put it on ICSE....

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Ok, some more stuff that i've been telling and most of you guys don't believe ....

Victim identification

Contrary to common beliefs about sexual abuse, the abuser is most often a person known to the child, such as a family member, neighbour or childcare professional. The vast majority of child sexual abuse cases are not documented, mostly taking place behind closed doors in private settings.

(...)

A key tool in this is our International Child Sexual Exploitation Database, which includes image comparison software that helps victim identification specialists compare and exchange information on material and active investigations.

(this is the ICSE that i did talk to you guys many times now).

Also this is true :

Due to its very nature, victim identification is difficult work, which requires specialists from all different fields. Often, law enforcement officers will work closely with authorized civilian analysts to determine the origin of a series of images or video.

Victim identification specialists work closely with their counterparts all over the world to ensure that clues that are unique, typical or easily recognizable in one country are not overlooked by another country.

We are always just one clue away from a break in a case. All it takes is the right person with the right tools and skills to make that connection.

Meaning it would be absolutly unthinkable on a very high profile case for someone at LEA to "hide" crucial data from international teams ....

 

[worldwatcher]

The first link you posted talks about ICSE that i've been posting for many time now.

If you are from interpol you can for example check if there are photos/videos of a specific child on the database. For example if you have access to ICSE you can search that database to see if there are entries for MM.

As I told many times now if HCW/BKA were to have found on darkweb/anywhere content of MM that content had to be added to ICSE. This is because
64 countries exchange info, meaning if Germany does want to access ICSE (and they do have access) they are complied to share as well.

Meaning all countries who have access to ICSE have to fill in all data that they found as well. Think about it, if you want for the tool to be of use you need for it to have the info. If one country just search and don't post/fill in data that wouldn't be of use to other investigators.

There is no way BKA would find images/videos of MM and hide it in a way not to put it on ICSE....

How do you know?
I really having a hard time understanding this,there are special units working on this.
And there's a thing as privacy,in the meantime,it takes time to piece the puzzle.

CB is known as a drug addict,so imo,there are huge holes in his memory.Drinking,doing drugs,living off the grid, circling around criminals.


It is not the first time that investigation leads to international arrest,in case you didn't know?!

First it has to be investigated,could take years to pinpoint POI ,they don't do random arrest,if you ask me.

Well,guess I don't want to be dragged in to endless discussions.So that is all,I am posting,regarding this subject.

Let LE sort it out,I am sure that BKA knows what they are doing,and let the press print whatever they want.

 

[Chiatos]

Rui Pedro's Mother formally id'd him from the 'Wonderland Club' photo's. So it's not unheard of.

Rui Pedro, missing and found on The Wonderland Club, child site

They're monsters.

According to some sources, there was a pedophile from The Wonderland Club who was living in Portugal at the time of crime, but the Portuguese police dismissed this evidence.
Outrageous.

And that useless Afonso mollusc served only two years in prison for the abuse of an innocent defenseless young child. Come on, he knows very well where and how Rui ended up. Something is very wrong here.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Everything is wrong, according to paedophilia.

The interesting question is, why BKA is interested in CB for almost 4 years. It's like if the FBI would be interested into a shoplifter....

But i assume, the answer to my question will follow very (!) soon...

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

How do you know?

I don't know. I posted what i think based on cases that I do know and that I do worked in. But as stated from start i'm way far from all of you regarding the MM case and my assumptions are based on procedure used for other cases, like stated on many of my posts I explained why for example I think they don't have photos/videos of dead MM, etc but yes, I don't know for sure and honsetly it will not be "the end of the world" if i'm wrong and if HCW/BKA do have somehow manage to hide the info and show later on some evidence of that sort. Should be clear by now that i'm just making my "guess" about what is going on for the MM as this is a discussion thread for people to share ideas. Don't worry as I will not be upset or mad or argue over this case or the majority of others as well. As you stated let's BKA do their job and later on hopefully we will see. If i'm wrong it just means that they used a procedure for this particular investigation that is totaly different from the norm.

 

[tedtink]

The first link you posted talks about ICSE that i've been posting for many time now.

If you are from interpol you can for example check if there are photos/videos of a specific child on the database. For example if you have access to ICSE you can search that database to see if there are entries for MM.

As I told many times now if HCW/BKA were to have found on darkweb/anywhere content of MM that content had to be added to ICSE. This is because
64 countries exchange info, meaning if Germany does want to access ICSE (and they do have access) they are complied to share as well.

Meaning all countries who have access to ICSE have to fill in all data that they found as well. Think about it, if you want for the tool to be of use you need for it to have the info. If one country just search and don't post/fill in data that wouldn't be of use to other investigators.

There is no way BKA would find images/videos of MM and hide it in a way not to put it on ICSE....

Perhaps images, if any, of MM have been put on ICSE.
They'd be no way of us knowing would there? Unless you have access to the database and know for certain that there are no pics.