Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #25

[mrjitty]

you guys are getting way too cryptic here.

Can anyone state in plain english who "Chris P" supposedly is?

 

[mrjitty]

From what I remember from the Spiegel article about Christian P:

-German musician, IT technician
-Met CB in 2005
-Visited CB at the farmhouse in PDL on several occasions
-On one visit he saw a stack of 30-50 passports that CB said he had stolen
-When visiting CB in prison, CP was asked to smuggle alcohol spiked oranges to him.
CB's rental contract was terminated while he was in prison, CB asked CP if he could clear some stuff for him from the farmhouse. CP mentions there were over a 100 CDs with /animal on them and that he was so disgusted that he threw everything away. This made CB angry and he no longer spoke to CP.

Another persons recent interview contradicts the last part of the Spiegel report as CP apparently took some of the stuff from the farmhouse and it was stored at the scrapyard in Barrocal.

BIB

Something that i was wondering about, and twigged from a sideline in the JC promo, was the possibility of CB being caught with stolen property from OC. Supposedly this was a SIM card from a different guest.

Might the 'concrete evidence" against CB be something that places him in the OC apartments in the relevant days, but not in 5A?

We know there are some things not disclosed in the PJ files.

 

[Tekno]

you guys are getting way too cryptic here.

Can anyone state in plain english who "Chris P" supposedly is?

I am willing to share but don’t know if it is against forum rules. Perhaps someone can guide me.

 

[mrjitty]

You optimist!!

I supposed i just get very cynical at the 1+ year hiatus, when they've already been working on this for a year, because on the Met investigation, they were also 'ticking all the boxes" and hit their peak way back in 2013 - which is 8 years ago!

 

[Betty_Boop88]

BIB

Something that i was wondering about, and twigged from a sideline in the JC promo, was the possibility of CB being caught with stolen property from OC. Supposedly this was a SIM card from a different guest.

Might the 'concrete evidence" against CB be something that places him in the OC apartments in the relevant days, but not in 5A?

We know there are some things not disclosed in the PJ files.

Unfortunately, the other journo that told JC about the SIM card find also told him, “I don’t remember where exactly this tourist was staying.”
So we don’t even know if it was at OC - I’m sure the journo would remember if it was. We just have his belief that “police found this extremely relevant to the investigation today” because it linked him to burglaries on the Algarve. Seems a wee bit flimsy.

JC tried asking HCW about it; he claimed no knowledge and told him to contact police in Halle. They no-commented out of it.

 

[Chiatos]

Just caught up on the last couple of days. From the info posted, I have deduced that @vermisstekindersuche is a troll who gets a kick out of being provocative!

Some trolls also get paid for their efforts

 

[Dlk79]

Supposedly this was a SIM card from a different guest.

Might the 'concrete evidence" against CB be something that places him in the OC apartments in the relevant days, but not in 5A?

I wouldn't have thought so, when HCW talks about the 'concrete evidence' it is in reference to MM being dead and of CB being the culprit. Something that merely places CB in the OC wouldn't really justify that assertion IMO.

 

[cascade]

Could the evidence against him simply be a witness statement by someone he confessed (or even bragged) to?

 

[Lilly b]

Could the evidence against him simply be a witness statement by someone he confessed (or even bragged) to?

Well we know he confessed to HB, he has said to someone else, she is dead now, (can't remember her name, but was at his kiosk in Germany) also made a confession in a bar in Germany, amongst possible others???
and he has a loose tongue when he's drunk,

 

[Anxala]

Could the evidence against him simply be a witness statement by someone he confessed (or even bragged) to?

That would never on its own be enough to back up HCW's claims. Even if the witness was eg. a fine upstanding member of the community (highly unlikely considering the company CB kept), it would need to be backed up by a lot more than some random conversation in a bar or wherever.

In any case, from Wolters himself:

"If you knew the evidence we had you would come to the same conclusion as I do but I can't give you details because we don't want the accused to know what we have on him - these are tactical considerations."

That implies imo a whole lot more than a witness statement - assuming of course that Wolters was telling the truth in Dec 2020 when he made this claim.

Madeleine McCann: Public 'would reach same conclusion' on suspect

 

[Betty_Boop88]

That implies imo a whole lot more than a witness statement - assuming of course that Wolters was telling the truth in Dec 2020 when he made this claim.

Madeleine McCann: Public 'would reach same conclusion' on suspect

And with multiple jobs on the line, including his own, and a possible future defamation case with a compo claim from CB that would be beyond humiliating - what reason would HCW and the prosecutors office have to lie?

ETA - the tone of this sounds like I’m trying to bait you, @Anxala, but I’m not at all I know some folk are of the opinion that HCW has lied/is lying but I can’t for the life of me understand why he would! So I was just following on from your post with MOO

 

[Anxala]

And with multiple jobs on the line, including his own, and a possible future defamation case with a compo claim from CB that would be beyond humiliating - what reason would HCW and the prosecutors office have to lie?

Agree. And I'm not suggesting he was lying, more just allowing for the possibility of him feeling a bit defensive and maybe exaggerating in the face of what might be seen as lack of progress?

Not saying he did, just allowing for the possibility of him being human, feeling the pressure and maybe over-egging the pudding a bit.

ETA. No worries, Betty. I didn't interpret it like that.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Could the evidence against him simply be a witness statement by someone he confessed (or even bragged) to?

This is what i stated from the start. If HCW does have anything on CB it would be witness statements. Also apart from the initial witness statement there might be further witness statement shared with BKA in relation to the public apeal for info.

There is the possibility of existing communication interception as well like chats/logs of internet conversations where CB talks about killing MM.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

I just thank GOD that HCW/BKA don't have jurisdiction over any missing child case that I care for. Many might think i'm trolling but i'm not.

I would really hate to have someone claiming that a criminal killed my daughter/sister/cousin/whatever and wouldn't provide further details, so having to wake every day not only thinking about the fact that the child is missing but also thinking that somewhere someone from LEA do know what happen and what did the criminal do to my child, etc and not to be able to know. It would be even more "torture" to add to the initial fact of not knowing what happen to someone we really care about.

Many will say that i'm just trolling and i'm here to make fun of you guys or "play" with the MM sittuation or make insinuations about the Mccanns but It would really drive me nuts if I did had to face this sittuation, assuming of course that all that was stated on the media by the Mccans and HCW is correct (the fact he is not sharing stuff with parents).

For those that posted comments saying that i'm just trolling please fell free to add my nickname to the ignor list. WS do provide that option so my posts will no longer appear on the thread when you guys are reading.

For the others I did share allot of info that is "standard" or normal in all other missing child investigation/forensic investigation so might be of use for the ones who chose to believe on it.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Regarding HCW/CB i decided to "revert" to the oppinion that I did had when I joined here. I think that HCW is basing his investigation in Witness, because of that he doesn't have a strong evidence. Example even if a witness stated that he/she saw videos of MM on a CB camera those videos/camera can't be retrieved so it's witness word only. Just my "guess" as I might be wrong.

Going along with that I think that HCW/BKA will never be able to charge because if at this point they don't have what they need the evidences will not apear from nothing and because CB is in jail there is no way to get evidences by following him, checking what he is doing, etc.

HCW looks a little bit "desesperated" to keep appearing on the media with same story, saying stuff like mentioned "If you knew the evidence we had you would come to the same conclusion as I do", also there wouldn't be the need of painting CB as someone who is linked to so many crimes and making affirmations in a way for people to judge CB instead of providing stuff that would be "real" and clear all doubt.

Many will claim that I'm just making all of this to put blame on Mccanns, or that I do have some sort of agenda when it's not the case.

Truth is by all that I've seen so far in relation to HCW/CB and using my experience and instinct I would say that HCW is just bluffing. He doesn't have anything to use to charge CB so he attempts to create the idea on people that he/CB commited the crime, So if i'm correct HCW will dealy this as far as he can and when he can't hold the sittuation as is any further he can simply claim that he doesn't have enough evidence to charge but that CB is still the one who killed MM. In the mind of many that will be the truth, they cracked the case but can't take CB to court due to lack of evidences.

I hope that I'm wrong. I trully hope, but what I hope is not what I think will happen/is happening.

Again if i'm wrong i ask apology to all of you guys and HCW (not that I think he will read this).

And if you guys don't like what i write fell free to add my nickname to the ignor list. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to express what I think about the topic under discussion and that is all.

 

[Dlk79]

That would never on its own be enough to back up HCW's claims. Even if the witness was eg. a fine upstanding member of the community (highly unlikely considering the company CB kept), it would need to be backed up by a lot more than some random conversation in a bar or wherever.

I tend to agree. The only way I can see the 'concrete evidence' being some form of confession is if it's an official undercover recording of CB explaining to someone, possibly another prisoner, his involvement with MM. It would have to be something strong like that IMO.

HCW was asked during the 60 Minutes Australia interview last year, when it was that BKA concluded MM was dead. He answers that is was some time within the last 2 years which means it was some time towards the end of 2018 or later. Which is more recent than the other "confessions" we know about. CB was on the run following his Portugal extradition and was extradited again from Milan in October 2018 (for the DM rape), he has been in prison ever since. Therefore, it's quite possible that this evidence came about while he was incarcerated.

Such a recorded confession could also explain why HCW is so willing to put his reputation on the line and publicly accuse CB. CB could try to use the defence that he made the story up and that's why BKA need some further corroborating evidence to remove that plausibility. Just a possibility. It seems to be consistent with HCW's other quotes though such as us coming to the same conclusion. CB having knowedge of the crime only the suspect could know. Why revealing their evidence could jeopardise the investigation. How CB might try to change his story. Not wanting CB to know what they have on him. Not being hearsay. Etc.

That whole 2017 confession story still puzzles me too, there's varying accounts of it and some think it is actually the same confession that HB gave years earlier to the Met. I haven't heard HCW ever talking about this confession publicly and nobody has ever pressed him on any of the detail in interviews that I can recall either. But it must have come from some official account?

 

[Integrity123]

Just throwing this out there, I'm prob way off as usual but was CB and NF in contact with MN?
Who Is Nicole Fehlinger, Christian Brueckner's Ex-Girlfriend? New Details On Alleged Female Accomplice In Madeleine McCann Disappearance
Just wondering if MN was in prison in 2007 or could he be who us being referred to in the link ?
Probably been covered before but been off site for a bit
Both Fehlinger and Brueckner are tied to a phone number that was previously linked to a pedophile.

 

[mrjitty]

That would never on its own be enough to back up HCW's claims. Even if the witness was eg. a fine upstanding member of the community (highly unlikely considering the company CB kept), it would need to be backed up by a lot more than some random conversation in a bar or wherever.

In any case, from Wolters himself:


That implies imo a whole lot more than a witness statement - assuming of course that Wolters was telling the truth in Dec 2020 when he made this claim.

Madeleine McCann: Public 'would reach same conclusion' on suspect

The "if you knew what I know" statement never sat well with me

 

[mrjitty]

I wouldn't have thought so, when HCW talks about the 'concrete evidence' it is in reference to MM being dead and of CB being the culprit. Something that merely places CB in the OC wouldn't really justify that assertion IMO.

I think his "concrete evidence" is a web of circumstantial points, rather than any one killer piece of evidence.

So they started from the confession, and proceeded on a theory of the case, from which they found corroborating evidence. It's that web that makes HCW believe he is guilty, because one piece of evidence led to another. For example these might include

- multiple confessesions
- stolen goods from OC
- the phone call
- evidence from other associates
- things CB said/did after the disappearance

overall these things that HCW has discovered suggest to him that he has the correct theory - but he lacks anything to prove the crime IMO - like where is the body.

my 02c

 

[SuperdadV8]

Interesting discussion about possible evidence, the prosecutors might be accessible to IMO!

I would like to say, that the crucial evidence must have been obtained by the BKA in 2017, because HCW stated to be in charge from 2018.

So....the crucial evidence shouldn't have been obtained by the prosecutors from Brunswick, right?!

BKA must have become aware of CB in 2017. That could have been HB's statement (how reliable is a crook who is pointing a finger on another crook?) or other things the BKA has been involved in 2017. Or combined?

Decide for yourself....