Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #25

[Carly@lul]

Regarding HCW/CB i decided to "revert" to the oppinion that I did had when I joined here. I think that HCW is basing his investigation in Witness, because of that he doesn't have a strong evidence. Example even if a witness stated that he/she saw videos of MM on a CB camera those videos/camera can't be retrieved so it's witness word only. Just my "guess" as I might be wrong.

Going along with that I think that HCW/BKA will never be able to charge because if at this point they don't have what they need the evidences will not apear from nothing and because CB is in jail there is no way to get evidences by following him, checking what he is doing, etc.

HCW looks a little bit "desesperated" to keep appearing on the media with same story, saying stuff like mentioned "If you knew the evidence we had you would come to the same conclusion as I do", also there wouldn't be the need of painting CB as someone who is linked to so many crimes and making affirmations in a way for people to judge CB instead of providing stuff that would be "real" and clear all doubt.

Many will claim that I'm just making all of this to put blame on Mccanns, or that I do have some sort of agenda when it's not the case.

Truth is by all that I've seen so far in relation to HCW/CB and using my experience and instinct I would say that HCW is just bluffing. He doesn't have anything to use to charge CB so he attempts to create the idea on people that he/CB commited the crime, So if i'm correct HCW will dealy this as far as he can and when he can't hold the sittuation as is any further he can simply claim that he doesn't have enough evidence to charge but that CB is still the one who killed MM. In the mind of many that will be the truth, they cracked the case but can't take CB to court due to lack of evidences.

I hope that I'm wrong. I trully hope, but what I hope is not what I think will happen/is happening.

Again if i'm wrong i ask apology to all of you guys and HCW (not that I think he will read this).

And if you guys don't like what i write fell free to add my nickname to the ignor list. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to express what I think about the topic under discussion and that is all.

I get what your saying it’s easy to think or maybe even want him to be guilty of any relevant crime just because it’s nearby but imagine it being your child/relative you would want the correct person charged. This is just my balanced thoughts, I do believe CB has commuted many awful crimes but who am I to convict before conviction. In an ideal world he would be behind bars for life already for the crimes that have been proven

 

[Carly@lul]

Regarding HCW/CB i decided to "revert" to the oppinion that I did had when I joined here. I think that HCW is basing his investigation in Witness, because of that he doesn't have a strong evidence. Example even if a witness stated that he/she saw videos of MM on a CB camera those videos/camera can't be retrieved so it's witness word only. Just my "guess" as I might be wrong.

Going along with that I think that HCW/BKA will never be able to charge because if at this point they don't have what they need the evidences will not apear from nothing and because CB is in jail there is no way to get evidences by following him, checking what he is doing, etc.

HCW looks a little bit "desesperated" to keep appearing on the media with same story, saying stuff like mentioned "If you knew the evidence we had you would come to the same conclusion as I do", also there wouldn't be the need of painting CB as someone who is linked to so many crimes and making affirmations in a way for people to judge CB instead of providing stuff that would be "real" and clear all doubt.

Many will claim that I'm just making all of this to put blame on Mccanns, or that I do have some sort of agenda when it's not the case.

Truth is by all that I've seen so far in relation to HCW/CB and using my experience and instinct I would say that HCW is just bluffing. He doesn't have anything to use to charge CB so he attempts to create the idea on people that he/CB commited the crime, So if i'm correct HCW will dealy this as far as he can and when he can't hold the sittuation as is any further he can simply claim that he doesn't have enough evidence to charge but that CB is still the one who killed MM. In the mind of many that will be the truth, they cracked the case but can't take CB to court due to lack of evidences.

I hope that I'm wrong. I trully hope, but what I hope is not what I think will happen/is happening.

Again if i'm wrong i ask apology to all of you guys and HCW (not that I think he will read this).

And if you guys don't like what i write fell free to add my nickname to the ignor list. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to express what I think about the topic under discussion and that is all.

I get what your saying it’s easy to think or maybe even want him to be guilty of any relevant crime just because it’s nearby but imagine it being your child/relative you would want the correct person charged. This is just my balanced thoughts, I do believe CB has commuted many awful crimes but who am I to convict before conviction. I’m a ideal world he would be behind bars for life already for the crimes that have been proven

 

[Lilly b]

Interesting discussion about possible evidence, the prosecutors might be accessible to IMO!

I would like to say, that the crucial evidence must have been obtained by the BKA in 2017, because HCW stated to be in charge from 2018.

So....the crucial evidence shouldn't have been obtained by the prosecutors from Brunswick, right?!

BKA must have become aware of CB in 2017. That could have been HB's statement (how reliable is a crook who is pointing a finger on another crook?) or other things the BKA has been involved in 2017. Or combined?

Decide for yourself....

There’s a difference in pointing a finger, but I reckon he had a lot of information, don't forget CB confessed to him in 2008 to what he did, so whether he's a shady so and so doesn't matter, it's the info that is given, but I also think there are a lot more witness statements from many people that new him, we shall see, hopefully soon, or should I say this year

 

[Lilly b]

Interesting discussion about possible evidence, the prosecutors might be accessible to IMO!

I would like to say, that the crucial evidence must have been obtained by the BKA in 2017, because HCW stated to be in charge from 2018.

So....the crucial evidence shouldn't have been obtained by the prosecutors from Brunswick, right?!

BKA must have become aware of CB in 2017. That could have been HB's statement (how reliable is a crook who is pointing a finger on another crook?) or other things the BKA has been involved in 2017. Or combined?

Decide for yourself....

There’s a difference in pointing a finger, but I reckon he had a lot of information, don't forget CB confessed to him in 2008 to what he did, so whether he's a shady so and so doesn't matter, it's the info that is given, but I also think there are a lot more witness statements from many people that new him, we shall see, hopefully soon, or should I say this year

There’s a difference in pointing a finger, but I reckon he had a lot of information, don't forget CB confessed to him in 2008 to what he did, so whether he's a shady so and so doesn't matter, it's the info that is given, but I also think there are a lot more witness statements from many people that new him, we shall see, hopefully soon, or should I say this year

There are also people that new him, and about him at the time, who have given info, that don't want to be named by the press etc, or have to remain silent

 

[Carly@lul]

There’s a difference in pointing a finger, but I reckon he had a lot of information, don't forget CB confessed to him in 2008 to what he did, so whether he's a shady so and so doesn't matter, it's the info that is given, but I also think there are a lot more witness statements from many people that new him, we shall see, hopefully soon, or should I say this year


There are also people that new him, and about him at the time, who have given info, that don't want to be named by the press etc, or have to remain silent

let’s hope so, she needs justice it’s been far too long.

 

[SuperdadV8]

There’s a difference in pointing a finger, but I reckon he had a lot of information, don't forget CB confessed to him in 2008 to what he did, so whether he's a shady so and so doesn't matter, it's the info that is given, but I also think there are a lot more witness statements from many people that new him, we shall see, hopefully soon, or should I say this year

Agreed!

So hypothetically BKA's verdict in 2017 is based on the testimonies of two witnesses and maybe a criminal record including peadophilia and webchat confessions about torturing little girls and getting rid of evidence.

Of course, this is a verdict! But is it enough to justify a search warrant according to a garden plot in Hannover, made by a court, based on a verdict, almost two or three years later?

I doubt it. But we'll see!

By the way, where are Fülscher and Schwenn? Fülscher was complaining about the lack of evidence almost one and a half year ago! Where is he now? Is he still working on the case? Haven't heard of him for a long time....!?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

By the way, where are Fülscher and Schwenn? Fülscher was complaining about the lack of evidence almost one and a half year ago! Where is he now? Is he still working on the case? Haven't heard of him for a long time....!?

As a matter of fact he went to the media when JC book was published with declarations regarding the Carola case (since JC bring that to the media with the promotion of his book)...

Murder of Carola Titze - Maddie suspect again targeted - Fiji Broadcasting Corporation Ltd

Star lawyer Friedrich Fülscher (37), who defends Christian Brückner: “Since, as far as I know, DNA was found on the corpse in the Titze case, I assume that my client can be excluded quickly or it has already been excluded.”

 

[SuperdadV8]

As a matter of fact he went to the media when JC book was published with declarations regarding the Carola case (since JC bring that to the media with the promotion of his book)...

Murder of Carola Titze - Maddie suspect again targeted - Fiji Broadcasting Corporation Ltd

Star lawyer Friedrich Fülscher (37), who defends Christian Brückner: “Since, as far as I know, DNA was found on the corpse in the Titze case, I assume that my client can be excluded quickly or it has already been excluded.”

And according to Maddie?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

And according to Maddie?

I think the lawyer is just doing the oposite of HCW. If HCW tells that CB is guilty of many crimes so that in the mind of people he could be a better candidate to kill MM the lawyer will simply show how easy it is to rule CB out on all crimes that he can demonstrate that CB is for sure not linked to so that in the mind of people if CB was ruled out of all others so HCW must be wrong when acuses him of killing MM....

Also maybe the lawyer can't defend CB over MM because he was not questioned/charged so there is nothing to defend.

It's the same as if you tell "you are guilty of "something secret"" how can my lawyer defend me against something that he doesn't know ?

Maybe he have to wait for HCW to reveal more info ? Maybe his goal for now is prove that CB is NOT guilty on the cases he is sure he is not ?

 

[SuperdadV8]

I think the lawyer is just doing the oposite of HCW. If HCW tells that CB is guilty of many crimes so that in the mind of people he could be a better candidate to kill MM the lawyer will simply show how easy it is to rule CB out on all crimes that he can demonstrate that CB is for sure not linked to so that in the mind of people if CB was ruled out of all others so HCW must be wrong when acuses him of killing MM....

Also maybe the lawyer can't defend CB over MM because he was not questioned/charged so there is nothing to defend.

It's the same as if you tell "you are guilty of "something secret"" how can my lawyer defend me against something that he doesn't know ?

Maybe he have to wait for HCW to reveal more info ? Maybe his goal for now is prove that CB is NOT guilty on the cases he is sure he is not ?

Impressive!

Just four unimportant words of mine, almost a four hundred of you as reaction. Be careful, not to turn into a "perpetuum mobile". Like putting 4 words in and getting 400 words out. A little bit like a nuclear fusion.

Again, impressive!!!

 

[Dave55]

Apart from his concrete evidence I think HCW has spoken to just, about everyone who knew CB around May 2007 in Luz.

I think he has found that CB disappeared of the face of the earth for several days around May 3 rd.

If that's true... Can it be just a coincidence

 

[SuperdadV8]

Well, there are so many possibilities!

We'll know, after CB came forward about his innocence without using sketches but being straight forward, right?

Plenty of time.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

(...) but imagine it being your child/relative you would want the correct person charged.

If it were my child/relative I wouldn't want for the little one to be killed by someone, even less by someone who talked on the net that he would want to torture something small for days and then dispose of the body... So I would be very happy with every single suspect that I could exclude because when excluded all sexual predators all that would be left would be less painfull/traumatic.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Apart from his concrete evidence I think HCW has spoken to just, about everyone who knew CB around May 2007 in Luz.

I think he has found that CB disappeared of the face of the earth for several days around May 3 rd.

If that's true... Can it be just a coincidence

The problem is exactly the "If that's true..." . There are many "coincidences" that would point intro the direction of CB/MM but one would need to be 100% sure that what is written on the media/stated is true... Like for example that stuff about CB saying that he had something important to do and that he would be away (on the time MM went missing). IF true and added to the other stuff we already know might indeed be relevant (but not enough to get a charge).

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

(...)

We'll know, after CB came forward about his innocence without using sketches but being straight forward, right?

(...)

Or when HCW reveals what he does have ?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Part of me tells me that CB did commited the MM crimes but other part tells me he didn't. So I guess i'm no good at all regarding this particular case.

I do have some stuff that points in the direction that CB did it and some stuff that points in the direction that he didn't but no concrete evidences or leads on any of the options. Goes without saying MM case only.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

But even when I think that CB might have done the MM crime I still think HCW will not be able to charge him / have enough evidence.

 

[Anxala]

I think the lawyer is just doing the oposite of HCW. If HCW tells that CB is guilty of many crimes so that in the mind of people he could be a better candidate to kill MM the lawyer will simply show how easy it is to rule CB out on all crimes that he can demonstrate that CB is for sure not linked to so that in the mind of people if CB was ruled out of all others so HCW must be wrong when acuses him of killing MM....

Also maybe the lawyer can't defend CB over MM because he was not questioned/charged so there is nothing to defend.

It's the same as if you tell "you are guilty of "something secret"" how can my lawyer defend me against something that he doesn't know ?

Maybe he have to wait for HCW to reveal more info ? Maybe his goal for now is prove that CB is NOT guilty on the cases he is sure he is not ?

Yes, agree. I imagine that's exactly the professional line that FF is taking, speaking publicly only when necessary.

There are still no official charges (15 mths later and counting) against his client, therefore no surprise whatsoever that he's, to all intents and purposes, invisible.

And HCW's regular word salady 'progress' bulletins really don't call for a response.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Yes, agree. I imagine that's exactly the professional line that FF is taking, speaking publicly only when necessary.

There are still no official charges (15 mths later and counting) against his client, therefore no surprise whatsoever that he's, to all intents and purposes, invisible.

And HCW's regular word salady 'progress' bulletins really don't call for a response.

Looks simple, if HCW wants to make CB guilty in the eyes of general public by linking CB to many crimes in hope that the public thinks that if he did so many crimes he surly killed MM too then FF just makes HCW looks like someone that can't be trusted by "proving" or showing that CB could not do at all the other crimes and later people will simple think that if HCW was wrong on all other allegations most likely he is wrong too when he stated that CB killed MM. It's like the famouse Portuguese/Brazilian lawyer joke

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[vermisstekindersuche]

Again, one of the big problems in trying to figure out if CB is guilty or not of MM case/crime is not only the lack of credible information and HCW secret evidences but as well the fact that the journalists will want to "sell" the mediatic version that tells us that CB is guilty so all articles will be written with that in mind - that they want for many reasons for CB to be guilty so the articles will reflect that will and will not be very accurate.

Example - articles that tells us that CB did sell the Jaguar written in a way that looks like he did so on the next day MM went missing, and so on, and so on ...

We are "judging" the case with false information that journalists provided to us, journalists that want for CB to be the one who killed MM.

If we read that CB did a huge amount of strange things on the day MM went missing all of those things will make of him suspect. If in fact those things were done over time like selling stuff, etc those actions will not be important to MM case at all. So it's up to the way the articles are write and the way we take that info.

I did had the same problem very recently with another case, some allegations made on media were very "vague" and superficial in a way that people could take the information in one way but only very recently after checking facts on process files I could see how "silly" what was written on media by journalists were. Info was mis-leading on purpose to make people think in one direction. They do this all the time.

So is really very hard to judge or to make assumptions about CB (at least for me on the MM case) because 1)HCW might lie, 2)Journalists might lie or write stuff that are not accurate, etc....

IF all that was written was true and accurate there would be a strong possibility that CB did indeed killed MM, but when we check facts and we start to see that after all the jaguar might have been sold way later or for example that SIM card stollen from the OC that JC talks on the book might very well not exist at all because the info was gatheered from another journalist that doesn't remember for sure, etc ...

And the more lies are written the more the accusations against CB look more "forged" or fabricated in a way for people to believe that he is guilty....

So i really don't know anymore what to think about CB/MM. Nothing on this case investigation is "normal" as well but for other hand I don't think that BKA/HCW would want to get the price of the worst investigation ever when they can't show evidence/charge CB so maybe they do have some hidden cards or are hidding stuff.

And I do have a bad feeling about this... Let's see what will happen at the end.