Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #25

[mrjitty]

Sources.............sources..............everywhere

Maddie's parents break silence on suspect Christian B - and their fears

Oddly downbeat comments. Sounds like they expect it to go nowhere.

Again I really can't understand this approach. Why don't they use their platform to encourage people to come forward?

“Portuguese police had looked at him before and last year they looked at him again. We don't know what this means but without a confession we may never know.

“We don't know what evidence police have.

“It may be, sadly, that we may never know what happened to Madeleine. But we hope to find out. We keep hoping after all these years.”

Maddie's parents break silence on suspect Christian B - and their fears

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

If whatever your ‘inside knowledge’ on the case is indicates that CB is completely cleared then that’s absolutely fine. But until we other mere mortals here on the thread are given that exact information via the prosecutors press office, we’re in the dark.

I BELIEVE, IN MY OPPINION ONLY that if Sta Stendal was able to track down on 2019 a letter that CB did send from prision to an instituition where on that time a previouse worker of WF was now working in then, whith this level of "scanning" and "tracing" they could had very well checked the phone log of CB for the day little Inga went missing, and with that in mind I BELIEVE that they added to the process the exact place where CB was using his mobile device and that place was habbitual neuwegersleben, etc. Then I believe that witness placed him on that spot as well, same people that saw CB at least up untill 07/05, making Sta Stendel not to pursue the CB "lead" any further and I believe this was back in 2016.

Then I believe as well that because CB was named as MM suspect StA Stendal did contact Sta braunschweig as protocol dictates but the case was checked on 2 days only (opened and re-closed). This irritated Inga father that I believe to had expressed the way he feeled on the news at the time.

Then I BELIEVE that Sta Stendal workers (that i trully admire) sit down with Inga father and exposed what they have on process and can't tell to public. Same info that lead HCW to say in some sources like Discovery documentary that CB was ruled out on Inga case.

Because of that, I believe, Inga father completly stopped to complain (using his lawyer) about LEA not properly checking CB and changed hiw way of thinking to this :

Vermisstenfall Inga: Vater Gehricke macht Ermittlern in Stendal Druck | Stendal

Where do you currently see points where the investigators should start?
I don't believe in the great unknown. I can't imagine anyone coming to the seclusion of Wilhelmshof to kidnap a child. The number of people who knew at the time that we were spending 2 May 2015 at Wilhelmshof is quite small. And the number of people who knew that we were staying until dinner, even though we originally wanted to be back home for dinner, is much smaller again. I think that Inga's disappearance is more interwoven with Wilhelmshof than it appears.

So I BELIEVE (in my oppinion) that Sta Stendal was able to RULE OUT for sure CB otherwise you would be looking at HCW/Sta Stendal making public requests of info about people who could had saw CB near WF, same way they are asking for people in PT to contact them if they think they were victims of CB, etc ...

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

From the mentioned article :

A McCann family source told The Sun Online: “Police don’t tell us what’s going on, we’re in the dark because it's an ongoing investigation.

and :

“We don't know what evidence police have."

It confirms what I stated many posts ago (last week or so). Meaning (if Sun article is true) that MM parents were not provided with more info from BKA/HCW as I "suspected".

If someone here did had access to ICSE one could rule out for sure the existence of MM content found on child abuse platforms.

Let's assume that no-one here can check. So we know the Mccanns are very well connected to many members of international police and are supported by many of them.

Many of that people can check interpol database.

They are claiming they don't know what evidences HCW does have...

IF the newspaper is teling the truth and IF HCW didn't hide that "secret information" just for himself (and entered it on ICSE) couldn't we assume by now with MM parents declaration that at least some of the police "friends" would had checked the database and found nothing ?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Oddly downbeat comments. Sounds like they expect it to go nowhere.

Again I really can't understand this approach. Why don't they use their platform to encourage people to come forward?



Maddie's parents break silence on suspect Christian B - and their fears

Nope! Sounds like they HOPE it to go somewhere, finally.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Nope! Sounds like they HOPE it to go somewhere, finally.

If i'm correct we will get an HCW interview/input in just a few days if not tomorrow. Let's see.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

I know you haven’t read the book on principle, but JC did contact Stendhal prosecutors and talked about their reply to him. It’s not MSM so I can’t link, but they told him that ‘after additional research’, they have ‘no new facts’ and there are ‘no indications’ that CB was in the vicinity when IG went missing.

For me this would be enough NOT TO write big bold titles to promote his book sugesting CB is still under investigation over little Inga case. Simple.

Now you have CB/FF complaining that he is accused by the book writer (JC) of those crimes (5 crimes) when in fact Sta Stendal didn't suggest anything like that to JC.

 

[Betty_Boop88]

For me this would be enough NOT TO write big bold titles to promote his book sugesting CB is still under investigation over little Inga case. Simple.

Now you have CB/FF complaining that he is accused by the book writer (JC) of those crimes (5 crimes) when in fact Sta Stendal didn't suggest anything like that to JC.

… I’m done. It’s like beating my head off a brick wall here.

The wolves can have ye.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

… I’m done. It’s like beating my head off a brick wall here.

The wolves can have ye.

Reasonable.

 

[worldwatcher]

Sources.............sources..............everywhere

Maddie's parents break silence on suspect Christian B - and their fears

From your link:
"He’s locked up for other crimes, so at least he’s in the best place - in jail."

So it is!!Totally agree!
You don't want that perp roaming the streets!

It surely shows CB arrogance,again,by stating this:
--During the summer Christian B, jailed for raping an elderly American tourist in Portugal - spoke out for the first time since he was named a suspect.

He wrote a letter slamming the investigation an “unbelievable scandal,” proclaiming his innocence and urging prosecutors leading the case to give up.

He accused them of "bringing shame" on the German legal system by making "scandalous" statements against him without bringing any charges. --

Bringing shame?? Wow!!Really?!
Ironically,CB has been very,very lucky -how sad enough- with fallen through the cracks!
"Lucky CB" Hope his luck runs out!!

And hopefully,some good is coming out of this search, investigation.

Prevention should be better gathered| shared, much cheaper,more effective,then the scrap and endless cost on many levels.
^moo^

As I hope ,that the hope of the McCann family and other families as well,that at least ,they find out.



The McCanns
"It may be, sadly, that we may never know what happened to Madeleine. But we hope to find out. We keep hoping after all these years.”

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

(...)As I hope ,that the hope of the McCann family and other families as well,that at least ,they find out.

The McCanns
"It may be, sadly, that we may never know what happened to Madeleine. But we hope to find out. We keep hoping after all these years.”

It's all in the hands of HCW/BKA to end this suffering.

Even if they can't charge CB over MM crime there is nothing to prevent them from contacting MM family, sit there with them and explain clearly what they did manage to get over CB and why do they think he killed MM. Even if that will not end up in charging CB over the crime at least it can bring some peace/confort to the family.

If I were on MM parent's place I would like for HCW to tell me excatly what he did have even if by legal reasons/lack of evidence the case were never to be in court.

For me it would be way better otherwise I would keep on thinking about what stuff do they have (in secret) and what did they discovered as they can have evidence of stuff that might have been done to MM, etc...

It would be (for me) a bigger nightmare rather than HCW to had been quiet to start with (if he knew he couldn't charge CB). At least I think he should say something to the MCCanns.

 

[Betty_Boop88]

From your link:
"He’s locked up for other crimes, so at least he’s in the best place - in jail."

So it is!!Totally agree!
You don't want that perp roaming the streets!

It surely shows CB arrogance,again,by stating this:
--During the summer Christian B, jailed for raping an elderly American tourist in Portugal - spoke out for the first time since he was named a suspect.

He wrote a letter slamming the investigation an “unbelievable scandal,” proclaiming his innocence and urging prosecutors leading the case to give up.

He accused them of "bringing shame" on the German legal system by making "scandalous" statements against him without bringing any charges. --

Bringing shame?? Wow!!Really?!
Ironically,CB has been very,very lucky -how sad enough- with fallen through the cracks!
"Lucky CB" Hope his luck runs out!!

And hopefully,some good is coming out of this search, investigation.

Prevention should be better gathered| shared, much cheaper,more effective,then the scrap and endless cost on many levels.
^moo^

As I hope ,that the hope of the McCann family and other families as well,that at least ,they find out.



The McCanns
"It may be, sadly, that we may never know what happened to Madeleine. But we hope to find out. We keep hoping after all these years.”

Me thinks the paedo rapist doth protest too much.

I try to keep in mind that this is a guy with supposed ‘learning difficulties’. What those difficulties are we don’t know - it might be that he has dyslexia. I’m not trying to sound ableist and hope I don’t come across as such, but if it’s anything more significant than dyslexia or dyscalculia etc, he may not rationalise the same ways that those without LDs do.

According to those that lived in the Diakonie flat with him, he was aggressive towards other inhabitants and staff that were there to care for him. Dominant. Yet going by witnesses/neighbours that were questioned by JC for his book, he was ‘submissive’ to NF; a woman with experience of working with ‘difficult’ children and children with LDs. She would know how to manipulate a man with LDs - that was supposedly smitten with her - to work in her favour.
I don’t wish to speculate on what LDs he may have, and I’m absolutely not suggesting that he was manipulated into any of his crimes. He’s the scum of the Earth on his own merit, and he was obviously able to function perfectly well; living in a foreign country with various sources of income. But now that he’s speaking out from prison it has to be taken into account, IMO.

Of course he would tell prosecutors to “give up”, whether he did it or not. It’s the go-to response. But he may not understand that denial in such forms can make him seem desperate. All MOO.

 

[Dlk79]

If HCW does know that CB did kill MM even if he doesn't have evidence he could share what he does have with MM parents. No reason not to do so

there is no excuse not to tell to MM parents something more than what they get from the press.

Even if they can't charge CB over MM crime there is nothing to prevent them from contacting MM family, sit there with them and explain clearly what they did manage to get over CB and why do they think he killed MM

We've discussed here several possible reasons why BKA might keeping the McCanns at arms length, as you well know. Plus there's this from HCW.

Madeleine McCann's parents told by German prosecutors that she is dead

Hans Christian Wolters, who is leading the case, yesterday said he could not share key evidence with Scotland Yard officers or police in Portugal.

'I sympathise with the parents but if we reveal more details to them it might jeopardise the investigation,' he said.

'We have concrete evidence that our suspect has killed Madeleine and this means she is dead. The parents have been told the German police have evidence that she is dead but we have not told them the details.'

'We of course really consider the fact that it is going to be very hard for the family when we tell them that we assume Madeleine is dead,' he added.

'But we can't say why she is dead – it is more important that we are successful and we are able to get the culprit as opposed to just putting our cards on the table and telling them why we think she might be.

'This is a murder case not a missing persons case. We have been quite clear throughout we are investigating a murder and we have the evidence for that.

'We can understand the pain of the parents – and they want relief – but it is better for them that we have a clear and successful conclusion to the case.

'To reveal too many details too early would hamper ongoing investigations.

'In Germany we are very reserved, I am not sure how it is in the UK, we keep everything to ourselves until we press charges.'

 

[Dlk79]

It confirms what I stated many posts ago (last week or so). Meaning (if Sun article is true) that MM parents were not provided with more info from BKA/HCW as I "suspected".

Well if the Sun article IS true, I'd say HCW is quite justified to not tell the parents any of the secret evidence if their mates are happy to go blabbing to the press about what it is they've been told.

Alternatively, if the McCanns HAVE been told something secret, would they really go telling other people about it anyway?

So, no. The article confirms absolutely nothing, it's a complete non-story from an anonymous source, they could be the couple's milkman for all we know.

 

[JB1510]

Out of interest , does anyone have a link to the original BKA press announcement video of June 2020.
I’ve only seen a 1.30 min release before , I’m sure there was a longer one that showed the photos of the Jaguar & Westfalia . Thanks

Edit - Found the official press release , I’m presuming all that was in the video
is here ?

https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherhei...rhalt_englisch.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=4

 

[Anxala]

I do think a lot of the low quality stuff is just regurgitated bile though, but definitely aimed at the masses. Makes me wonder if there's a particular reason for that from HCW's point of view, as he doesn't seem to be courting the 'broad sheets' nor they him.

JMO.

I suppose it's just that the broadsheets have no interest in what is, for want of a better term, an ongoing non-story. Without any developments, there's absolutely nothing for them to report on. And then of course there's the ethical issue which I imagine is also a factor. Speculating about a case where a suspect has been named and accused of murder with nothing to date to back that up would not sit easily with the NUJ's code of conduct.

The tabs, on the other hand, codes of conduct being a foreign country to them, can publish any old crap if there's a click in it for them.

I can't come up with any logical reason why a tabloid audience might pay dividends though? Sure, it keeps the investigation in the news but to what effect? Is HCW still relying on the possibility of someone out there coming forward with the vital missing piece(s) of his jigsaw?

Do you have any thoughts on this?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

(...)'In Germany we are very reserved, I am not sure how it is in the UK, we keep everything to ourselves until we press charges.'

Yet BKA/HCW didn't had any problem to share with the public that MM was dead and CB did kill her.

Why not a simple "This guy is dangerouse, might have commited sex crimes in Portugal and might have some connection to MM, if someone have info please send it to us". Wouldn't it be the same for the public ? Why to risk a direct link and for several times talk about murder and MM to be dead ? It would even cover other options like CB selling MM to someone, etc. Yet he is clear. MM is dead, CB killed her. Or at least it's what he say.

In Portugal we are innocent untill proven guilty and it's the ones pressing charge that will have to prove guilt, not the suspect that have to prove that he is not guilty, and in Portugal false acusations will lead to libel and ideminization if the LEA can't properly provide at least "something" credible. So let's see.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Well if the Sun article IS true, I'd say HCW is quite justified to not tell the parents any of the secret evidence if their mates are happy to go blabbing to the press about what it is they've been told.

Alternatively, if the McCanns HAVE been told something secret, would they really go telling other people about it anyway?

So, no. The article confirms absolutely nothing, it's a complete non-story from an anonymous source, they could be the couple's milkman for all we know.

That is another reason that i sometimes do got upset as well here at the forum, I do understand WS rules but many official news as well are junk and completly false. If something is placed on the news and it's false it's very hard to contest that unless some contradictory info are posted on the news as well.

But regarding all of this SUN stuff with friend of the friend that is close to the family etc it's very hard to believe if the articles are true or not.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

(...) But he may not understand that denial in such forms can make him seem desperate. All MOO.

In my oppinion only CB is not desperate at all. If this sittuation were to happen on PT he would be making counts/plans with what he would do in the future with all the $$$ he would get when the secret evidences turned out not to exist or be something very "silly".... Just my oppinion.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

From the article posted yesterday :

Maddie's parents break silence on suspect Christian B - and their fears

“But if it is him, and there’s no direct and conclusive evidence he may never say a word. He’s not saying a word now.

IN MY OPPINION ONLY :

HCW strategy was never to get any confession out of CB.

Think about this, let's say you are a CB and that you did kill MM and you are in JAIL, HCW wants you to confess so he have to force you to admit to something.

There are several options.
1)You are proud of the crime and claim it.
2)You try to hide it not to get in jail for it.
3)You didn't commit the crime.

1)Doesn't apply, so you are CB under bars and what would make you "fear" more, HCW making a very assured statment that you did killed MM and stay with that all over or an HCW stating that you did kill MM but after all he doesn't know if it was in PT or Germany and after all you might have killed many more children, and after all you abused more childred/adults and you are investigated (for stuff you do know you didn't do), etc... Time wents by, your lawyers ask "evidences" you got nothing, what will you confess ? The MM crime (whenere you have done it or not) ? The other crimes that you didn't do ? What would you gain from it ?

IMO HCW strategy is very poor on that regard as do allow for CB to have a certain degree of confidence that HCW in reality doesn't know very well what is going on ... HCW does need to show that he is SURE, that the version keeps the same and can't simply place on the "story" stuff that CB do know he haven't done because that way he will see that HCW is not someone who is SURE and he is someone who doesn't know - so - no confession at all. And then you have mocking drawings ....

 

[Anxala]

That is another reason that i sometimes do got upset as well here at the forum, I do understand WS rules but many official news as well are junk and completly false. If something is placed on the news and it's false it's very hard to contest that unless some contradictory info are posted on the news as well.

But regarding all of this SUN stuff with friend of the friend that is close to the family etc it's very hard to believe if the articles are true or not.

I think most of us on here take tabloid reports with a big pinch of salt, even when they appear to come with direct quotes from official sources. Getting upset over them is such a waste of energy.

Why not just focus instead only on what comes direct from the investigators?