Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #25

[vermisstekindersuche]

Well, HCW didn't end up talking anything today on the news ... Let's wait one or 2 more days and see if I was correct. If he doesn't maybe he is starting to realize some "problems" in his strategy (in my oppinion). If he does and publish something like I predicted that for me will mean that he is only delaying/prolonging the sittuation - gaining time.
If he "surprizes me" and comment something "honest" and dispell some "myths" (thing he would never do) then I will start to have more confidence on his alleagations.

Untill further evidence I will return to innocent untill proved otherwise. Also my oppinion over HCW is not getting any better. For me one of the worst investigations that I do have memory of is the PK one, let's see if that will not change (very fast) to the BKA/HCW investigation over MM....

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

I think most of us on here take tabloid reports with a big pinch of salt, even when they appear to come with direct quotes from official sources. Getting upset over them is such a waste of energy. Why not just focus instead only on what comes direct from the investigators?

You are partially correct. Sometimes what comes from investigators are not truth as well,

Example when GA was telling what happened to MM, now HCW does the same, 2 guys from LEA both with different versions. So you can't even trust (some) investigators.

Mainly you are correct. I only get upset with very specific matters that I do care for. But in general I can take pretty much everything...

I do have sometimes the "need" to correct stuff that I do know that is incorrect but that will only bring me trouble. It's "stupid" of me really, because it doesn't matter if someone thinks different as long as I have official info, but if it's something specific in very rare cases I do go balistic. I will try to avoid that in the future.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

I think most of us on here take tabloid reports with a big pinch of salt, even when they appear to come with direct quotes from official sources. Getting upset over them is such a waste of energy. Why not just focus instead only on what comes direct from the investigators?

Very hard to explain but think like this, If you were MM parents and assuming that what HCW stated is 100% correct and CB did kill MM how would you react for example to GA book ?

So it's even a question of questioning what others did investigate.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

But back to the topic, assuming HCW doesn't get any new leads and assuming that what he does have is not enough for taking CB to trial how do you guys think this will end ?

- Will HCW reveal what he dos have ?
- Will he keep on saying he have evidence he can't share - forever ?
- Will he at least tell the MM parents what the evidences are ?

Just guessing, how do you guys think he will react if he can't find anything of use during the investigation to charge CB for MM crime ?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

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'This is a murder case not a missing persons case. We have been quite clear throughout we are investigating a murder and we have the evidence for that.

IN MY OPPINION ONLY :

If this is a murder then parents can't ask to provide details that might help the investigation intro finding and bringing back the living child and 2)There is no forensic so there is no body to retrieve/take back home so the parents are "tied". Simply they can't "ask" for HCW data as it wouldn't - help to rescue MM even if they were using another team of investigators on it and 2) wouldn't help in recovering the body.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

CB would do anything for money, wouldn't him ? He would deal drugs, he would sell children, etc ... what about be in the position he is now for money ? Like to be suspect number 1 of MM case ? Who knows .... OH, JMO.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

CB would do anything for money, wouldn't him ? He would deal drugs, he would sell children, etc ... what about be in the position he is now for money ? Like to be suspect number 1 of MM case ? Who knows .... OH, JMO.

You see ... If I were in Jail for something and from one moment to the other I was the suspect of MM crime there would be 2 options, either I did the crime or not.

If i were innocent and with all of those allegations and with the press and books i would instead of drawings use my time to send a message to the child parents. I would say "i'm very sorry for your child, i know the case from the news and it's sad but you are looking at the wrong suspect. I guive you my word (even if it doesn't count much) that it was not me that did the crime, so you can relax on that but you still need to find the correct criminals. Then I would try to tell/remember exactly where i were at that time and ask for people who had saw me there to talk, or try to get LEA to check forensic/cameras/logs whatever to show i was not there.

If i were guilty i could do many things like hide or try to excape and so i would either be quiet or say "it was not me" as well.

I would never go and draw stuff mocking the LEA without good reason to do so.

Unless i was innocent and the investigation were so patethic that required that. Like for example if i started to be blamed for manny different un-related crimes, etc ... but even if that were to happen I don't think that i would say a thing or start to publish mocking drawings if i wanted for the attention to go away. It's just provoking and looks "staged". IMO at this point i can't even tell if there aren't any sort of "agreement" to be on that level of suspect over MM. Let's see, most likely i'm totaly wrong but nothing of this makes sense so better to start thinking outside the box.

If all procedures of ALL other normal cases don't apply here then I can't think like on other cases.

 

[Dlk79]

Just guessing, how do you guys think he will react if he can't find anything of use during the investigation to frame CB for MM crime ?

So just to be clear, not only are you repeatedly accusing HCW, a public prosecutor, of lying (something you've still yet provide anything to back up the claim, despite being asked for what exactly he has lied about), you are now admitting that you believe CB is innocent and HCW is trying to frame him for MM!?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

So just to be clear, not only are you repeatedly accusing HCW, a public prosecutor, of lying (something you've still yet provide anything to back up the claim, despite being asked for what exactly he has lied about), you are now admitting that you believe CB is innocent and HCW is trying to frame him for MM!?

A public prosecutor did statments that CB killed MM, that the girl is dead, doesn't he have to show some evidences ? Or in Germany LEA/BKA can go on and put blame on people without any evidence ? In PT you are innocent untill proven otherwise, so if HCW can't show what evidences he does have after some reasonable time wouldn't it be liabel ? He can justify with the investigation but what if the investigation runs out and there is no more evidences ?

 

[Dlk79]

A public prosecutor did statments that CB killed MM, that the girl is dead, doesn't he have to show some evidences ? Or in Germany LEA/BKA can go on and put blame on people without any evidence ? In PT you are innocent untill proven otherwise, so if HCW can't show what evidences he does have after some reasonable time wouldn't it be liabel ? He can justify with the investigation but what if the investigation runs out and there is no more evidences ?

You didn't answer my question. Do you believe HCW is trying to "frame" an innocent man? Yes or No.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

So just to be clear, not only are you repeatedly accusing HCW, a public prosecutor, of lying (something you've still yet provide anything to back up the claim, despite being asked for what exactly he has lied about), you are now admitting that you believe CB is innocent and HCW is trying to frame him for MM!?

Because LEA never lie... GA never lie ... You never have cases of investigators doing that ...

Also I read somewhere that prosecutors could lie as part of their job, and i think the same apply in Germany. A prosecutor in many countries can lie to the suspect to attempt to get a confession for example. He can say that he knows stuff or that someone talked this or that or that a friend already incriminated the suspect to attempt a confession. Very normal procedure in many parts of the world. Not sure about Germany.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

You didn't answer my question. Do you believe HCW is trying to "frame" an innocent man? Yes or No.

NO

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

So just to be clear, not only are you repeatedly accusing HCW, a public prosecutor, of lying (something you've still yet provide anything to back up the claim, despite being asked for what exactly he has lied about), you are now admitting that you believe CB is innocent and HCW is trying to frame him for MM!?

Please replace "frame" with "charge". I did correct the post. Error in wording, i wanted to mean "charge" or take to court, etc...

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

How can you be so sure that CB is really guilty ? Shouldn't we first get evidences and just then judge from that ? For me HCW word that CB did it is just like GA word that the parents did it, I can't do anything with that sorry. Same goes for court/trial ! They can't use "secret evidence". So what ? How am I supposed to "judge" or have an oppinion if I don't have enough data ? What is left to use is the other cases and CB past but then you have a big issue, none of the cases match.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

If CB killed MM why to "expose on the playground" to the kids and aparently with another guy there ? Most likely they were playing, both pedophiles, one daring the other to show his parts, whatever, do i think that a child murderer that killed MM would do that in public ? NO, i don't. He raped the older woman and was very fast, leave she alive, the Irish one took hours, was alive as well, abused the 10 years old but didn't rape her, on public place, same goes for 5 years old daughter of girlfriend, did he had the need to kill, restrain, torture ? NO. If he were to be someone like that and were to do what he did stated on the chat were he then be satisfyed just with ordinary exposing of his genitals ? Most likely not.

What I think is that IF he did kill MM he would have a "type" or a "criminal type" that doesn't match at all with other crimes that aparently he is wanted for.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

If CB had the urge to restrain, torture for days and then kill and dispose of the body most likely he wouldn't go with a friend/pedophile to a park and show his genitals. He would really want to get more "preys" and do the same, wouldn't really want to risk it all for something so silly.

If the Irish woman can for sure state that the one who raped her did had the marks/tatoo/whatever and IF CB doesn't have that on the body most likely he will not be charged with any of the 3 PT crimes as well.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

But yes, let's hope that I'm wrong. At any rate now it's the time of HCW to make his move. Without any further data no-one can move forward on this, neither CB, neither FF, neither the parents neither the other ones that did got involved on this "mess" (like people from other cases that would wish for this mess not to have happened to start with)....

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

You didn't answer my question. Do you believe HCW is trying to "frame" an innocent man? Yes or No.

But sure, if in the near future (or even later) HCW do manage to show without any reasonable doubt that CB did kill MM and get him to pay for it I will be the one to appology for all of what I tought and I will congratulate him, YET i will still think that there are better things to do stuff that doesn't necessarly mean bringing more suffering to the victims, example MM parents or RH father that after 20 years got that call from BKA ... Now if they can charge CB for RH crime that is fine as well... But i will stop by here. Let's see if something official is posted as i predicted yesterday or not.

 

[mrjitty]

Example when GA was telling what happened to MM, now HCW does the same, 2 guys from LEA both with different versions. So you can't even trust (some) investigators.

Something that has to be kept in mind, is that often news reporting is created in good faith, but turns out to be questionable. So for example, news media reported on the PJ theory of the case based on solid sources. PJ themselves believed they had cracked the case. But then the evidence didn't back them up.

This is my issue with claims of guilt in the media from HCW versus actual charges, It's not that I don't trust him - that isn't the question.

He isn't putting up anything that can be tested

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

You didn't answer my question. Do you believe HCW is trying to "frame" an innocent man? Yes or No.

As far as conpiracy goes if it's possible for an international pedo network in paraguay with that boystown to be on the equation whouldn't it be possible some sort of BKA/LEA "agreement" with CB to get to someone else ? Like "for now" let's just sit there on jail and take the blame for MM crime" you will get this in return, while we try to check if X or Y contact you with this or that, or if witness Z will do this, etc .... Would it be "impossible" ?