Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #26

[Chiatos]

This is the translated index of GA’s book. Also, see Point 21.

GA is pathetic

 

[Chiatos]

GA says on the CM-TV interview that someone eneter the house of the woman, beat her, tied her, etc to ROB the appartment but then when the medical exam was done in PT to the woman the doctor concluded that the woman was beaten but not raped. When German requested the files on the case to Portugal PJ send it to them and GA says that because the "no rape" part was written with doctor handwritting could not be very precieved and was not properly translated and CB ended up charged as a "RAPE" that would give more years in jail. Sort of that, you would need to see the interview. Maybe they will put on youtube or so because it's in PT if you check on the TV broadcast and it will not be possible to place subtitles, or so i think. I just saw it on TV.

Oh, well, then that's OK for CB to have only beaten up an old defenceless lady with a metal rod

 

[Alternative Paradox]

Oh, well, then that's OK for CB to have only beaten up an old defenceless lady with a metal rod

Is this you having a pop at vermisstekindersuche comment?

And here's me thinking vermisstekindersuche was simply kindly putting stuff on here which the rest would not have known or seen, it having been broadcast in Portugal.

Perhaps I misunderstood the direction of your post.

 

[Dlk79]

But to then to conclude this is all some kind of conspiracy seems odd to me

I think it's pretty obvious why GA would conclude this. His whole claim that the McCanns are responsible for MM's disappearance is at risk of being put to bed for good.

For his 'account' to remain the 'truth', there are only 2 possibilities he could state for the BKA case against CB. Either they are incompetent and naively going after the wrong man or, they know he is innocent and are just trying to frame him.

Accusing them of incompetence would be rich coming from him and if CB did in fact get found guilty, that accusation would be proven false. So GA claims it's part of a conspiracy because even if CB does end up being prosecuted, he can continue to claim his account to be the real 'truth' and that it was all a fit up. He wants the whole saga to remain inconclusive or else his already savaged reputation will be destroyed once and for all.

Utterly self serving and predictable behaviour from GA IMO.

 

[mrjitty]

I think it's pretty obvious why GA would conclude this. His whole claim that the McCanns are responsible for MM's disappearance is at risk of being put to bed for good.

For his 'account' to remain the 'truth', there are only 2 possibilities he could state for the BKA case against CB. Either they are incompetent and naively going after the wrong man or, they know he is innocent and are just trying to frame him.

Accusing them of incompetence would be rich coming from him and if CB did in fact get found guilty, that accusation would be proven false. So GA claims it's part of a conspiracy because even if CB does end up being prosecuted, he can continue to claim his account to be the real 'truth' and that it was all a fit up. He wants the whole saga to remain inconclusive or else his already savaged reputation will be destroyed once and for all.

Utterly self serving and predictable behaviour from GA IMO.

I agree with all that, but he already went all conspiracy years before HCW dropped his bombshell.

 

[Chiatos]

Is this you having a pop at vermisstekindersuche comment?

And here's me thinking vermisstekindersuche was simply kindly putting stuff on here which the rest would not have known or seen, it having been broadcast in Portugal.

Perhaps I misunderstood the direction of your post.

No, I'm reacting to GA not having expressed any empathy towards an old defenceless lady who had been tied up and beaten up with a metal rod by a strong young man.
All GA could think of is defending that man for not having raped her.
!!?&^%$#@I!!!?

 

[Nikolai_ff]

GA is just trying to sow doubt, in order to salvage some bits of his reputation. It’s like some frequent posters on some other forums who have spent years and tens of thousands of posts attacking the parents might soon get a disappointment of a lifetime.

 

[Trivento]

GA is just trying to sow doubt, in order to salvage some bits of his reputation. It’s like some frequent posters on some other forums who have spent years and tens of thousands of posts attacking the parents might soon get a disappointment of a lifetime.

This is accurate..imo

 

[Dlk79]

GA is just trying to sow doubt, in order to salvage some bits of his reputation.

He's done it throughout the whole BKA investigation, even before the case against CB was made public he told the 'Maddie' podcast the Germans had a guy in prison they were going to use as a 'scapegoat' for MM. He said PJ already spoke to CB in 2007 and ruled him out, then it changed to "they knocked on his door and he wasn't home". Bit of a difference there, and which 'home' was this? Then he was criticising the photos that BKA had put out of CB, claiming that CB had long wavy hair at the time. And also that the VW Westfalia was not white but actually covered in graffiti at the time and asking why were they using those photos in the appeal. Then that video came out of CB in the VW giving those guys a lift to Spain for that radio station, just a few weeks before MM disappeared. Lo and behold, the VW was white and CB's hair was short.

 

[Betty_Boop88]

He said PJ already spoke to CB in 2007 and ruled him out, then it changed to "they knocked on his door and he wasn't home". Bit of a difference there, and which 'home' was this?

Portimão Prison, apparently

 

[Anxala]

GA says on the CM-TV interview that someone eneter the house of the woman, beat her, tied her, etc to ROB the appartment but then when the medical exam was done in PT to the woman the doctor concluded that the woman was beaten but not raped. When German requested the files on the case to Portugal PJ send it to them and GA says that because the "no rape" part was written with doctor handwritting could not be very precieved and was not properly translated and CB ended up charged as a "RAPE" that would give more years in jail. Sort of that, you would need to see the interview. Maybe they will put on youtube or so because it's in PT if you check on the TV broadcast and it will not be possible to place subtitles, or so i think. I just saw it on TV.

Thanks for that.

If above is the case - and legal considerations aside - to break into the house of, tie up, brutally beat and terrify a 72yr old woman on its own more than warrants the 7yr sentence he's serving imo.

 

[Anxala]

RSBM

This is where I left the Amaral train as well - but in the context of the Met investigation.

We know from PJ files, his book and then the Lisbon trial, what the direction of travel of the PJ inquiry was - see especially the initial archiving summary. We also know that English detectives helped develop the theory of the case. Then things fell apart. So far so good and established by multiple solid sources and inquiries

I do believe that Operation Grange was an inquiry the Met never wanted - rather it was a part of a game between Murdoch media and the Government where the parents were prime players in attacking the tabloid media (and suing them for a lot of money). Rebekah Brooks, then editor of the Sun, foisted it on the Cameron Government. This is my opinion only.

IMO the Met investigation has always been a lame duck investigation going nowhere. Proven by a decade of failure.

But to then to conclude this is all some kind of conspiracy seems odd to me, and it makes even less sense as regards BKA/HCW. Why would they even get involved?

IMO the only reason for HWC to go big was because he really thinks he's cracked the case.

Personally I think he will end up in the same place as the Met but I don't think it's some conspiracy to frame anyone. What would be the point? And why would HCW care about what the Met. think?

Agree re the Met investigation. The conspiracy theory is definitely odd though as why on earth would the BKA collude with the Met?

For all the issues I have with HCW's approach, there's no doubt in my mind that he genuinely wants to solve the MM case and genuinely feels that he/The BKA are now well placed to do so.

That was never the impression I got from the frankly lacklustre OG inquiry.

 

[Alternative Paradox]

No, I'm reacting to GA not having expressed any empathy towards an old defenceless lady who had been tied up and beaten up with a metal rod by a strong young man.
All GA could think of is defending that man for not having raped her.
!!?&^%$#@I!!!?

Ahh, that's cool. Fairy Nuff!

 

[sandy_80]

this nutcase is going to milk the poor girls case all he can like the dirty media and others ..no one should support him

 

[Anxala]

I agree with all that, but he already went all conspiracy years before HCW dropped his bombshell.

Agree, and it's why I'm continuing to keep an open mind here as regards him and the motivation behind this new book.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

The following is my oppinion only :

1) HCW/BKA might have a strong wish to crack the MM case because they will get the prestige and fame of solving it when all other LEA forces failed to do so. Apart from that they might as well be sure that they in fact crack the case. Also there is a chance that they indeed managed to crack the case. CB might indeed be the one who killed MM even if at the end HCW/BKA can't provide strong evidences to win the cause at court.

With that in mind I think that they have :

- Phone logs/phone call that places CB on the PDL from where MM went missing.

- Some old friends confession / witness that CB did told them to have killed MM/ abducted her, etc. Also those people can state that CB did have "interest" in MM. This includes confession in bar while drunk or stuff found by frineds that could like CB to MM.

- The photos found on USB sticks containing child abuse and "naked" photos of CB on his knees might be in reality "tributes" or photos of CB "masturbating" to other photos. If that is the case there might be photos of CB masturbating over the photos of MM - demonstrating "interest". I do have some reasons to suspect that it might be the case. This wouldn't appear on the Interpol database as long as the photos of the child are for example taken from public newspapers / known to the press.

- They might have found among CB stuff objects/stuff that "talks" about MM like news articles, etc. This again demostrates "interest".

- The Word/Document files/s that GA talked yesterday, If this is true it provides many "options". On the text CB migh have written stuff that match for example the confession to the friend at the bar. The text might have further "victims" or situuations that can be used to connect to other victims. This would explain one of my big questions, why BKA did call RH father saying they would re-open the investigation/check CB over RH case ? If for example there was a text on CB PC talking about child that he did kill and there was for example an instance where CB would tell he abducted a boy on a beach, etc they would investigate that and would explain the out-of-ordinary phone call.

- There might be indications that draw suspicion over CB because of certain times he have done certain things like moving to Germany when MM went missing and/or selling stuff like auto-caravan/jaguar. BKA might know more about that and reports on media might not be clear for us to judge.

- There might be further interception of chats/data/info on darkweb servers that were busted with CB accounts demonstrating nterest/talking about MM.

- There might be recovered goods that were stolen from OC or nearby location.

- There might be objects used to enter the OC appartment like copy of keys/tools or stuff believed to be used to enter the OC appartment where MM was.

IF Word file "theory" is true many options will open.

CB can claim it's fantasy story, it might be, it might be true. Analyzing such file if it exist might be crucial.

Then again it might be just wrong information and the thing might not exist to start with but it would make perfect sense even more if it contains data over crimes that CB did commit for sure so it will be closer to truth rather than if it have data about stuff that CB couldn't do (and BKA could deduct the file is fantasy). If the file/s do exist they are consider is as truth.

And that's it what I think at the moment with the data available. Can't "guess" any further without more data.

But again, It's NOT a single secret evidence, it will be a sum of stuff that by itself would make people link CB to MM but yet it would be not solid enough to be certain that would win a court case.

 

[Lilly b]

The following is my oppinion only :

1) HCW/BKA might have a strong wish to crack the MM case because they will get the prestige and fame of solving it when all other LEA forces failed to do so. Apart from that they might as well be sure that they in fact crack the case. Also there is a chance that they indeed managed to crack the case. CB might indeed be the one who killed MM even if at the end HCW/BKA can't provide strong evidences to win the cause at court.

With that in mind I think that they have :

- Phone logs/phone call that places CB on the PDL from where MM went missing.

- Some old friends confession / witness that CB did told them to have killed MM/ abducted her, etc. Also those people can state that CB did have "interest" in MM. This includes confession in bar while drunk or stuff found by frineds that could like CB to MM.

- The photos found on USB sticks containing child abuse and "naked" photos of CB on his knees might be in reality "tributes" or photos of CB "masturbating" to other photos. If that is the case there might be photos of CB masturbating over the photos of MM - demonstrating "interest". I do have some reasons to suspect that it might be the case. This wouldn't appear on the Interpol database as long as the photos of the child are for example taken from public newspapers / known to the press.

- They might have found among CB stuff objects/stuff that "talks" about MM like news articles, etc. This again demostrates "interest".

- The Word/Document files/s that GA talked yesterday, If this is true it provides many "options". On the text CB migh have written stuff that match for example the confession to the friend at the bar. The text might have further "victims" or situuations that can be used to connect to other victims. This would explain one of my big questions, why BKA did call RH father saying they would re-open the investigation/check CB over RH case ? If for example there was a text on CB PC talking about child that he did kill and there was for example an instance where CB would tell he abducted a boy on a beach, etc they would investigate that and would explain the out-of-ordinary phone call.

- There might be indications that draw suspicion over CB because of certain times he have done certain things like moving to Germany when MM went missing and/or selling stuff like auto-caravan/jaguar. BKA might know more about that and reports on media might not be clear for us to judge.

- There might be further interception of chats/data/info on darkweb servers that were busted with CB accounts demonstrating nterest/talking about MM.

- There might be recovered goods that were stolen from OC or nearby location.

- There might be objects used to enter the OC appartment like copy of keys/tools or stuff believed to be used to enter the OC appartment where MM was.

IF Word file "theory" is true many options will open.

CB can claim it's fantasy story, it might be, it might be true. Analyzing such file if it exist might be crucial.

Then again it might be just wrong information and the thing might not exist to start with but it would make perfect sense even more if it contains data over crimes that CB did commit for sure so it will be closer to truth rather than if it have data about stuff that CB couldn't do (and BKA could deduct the file is fantasy). If the file/s do exist they are consider is as truth.

And that's it what I think at the moment with the data available. Can't "guess" any further without more data.

But again, It's NOT a single secret evidence, it will be a sum of stuff that by itself would make people link CB to MM but yet it would be not solid enough to be certain that would win a court case.

So you think he is guilty then?

 

[JB1510]

Portimão Prison, apparently

Had to reference that , I reckon GA writes all his information in the middle of a doughnut

 

[Dave55]

RSBM

This is where I left the Amaral train as well - but in the context of the Met investigation.

We know from PJ files, his book and then the Lisbon trial, what the direction of travel of the PJ inquiry was - see especially the initial archiving summary. We also know that English detectives helped develop the theory of the case. Then things fell apart. So far so good and established by multiple solid sources and inquiries

I do believe that Operation Grange was an inquiry the Met never wanted - rather it was a part of a game between Murdoch media and the Government where the parents were prime players in attacking the tabloid media (and suing them for a lot of money). Rebekah Brooks, then editor of the Sun, foisted it on the Cameron Government. This is my opinion only.

IMO the Met investigation has always been a lame duck investigation going nowhere. Proven by a decade of failure.

But to then to conclude this is all some kind of conspiracy seems odd to me, and it makes even less sense as regards BKA/HCW. Why would they even get involved?

IMO the only reason for HWC to go big was because he really thinks he's cracked the case.

Personally I think he will end up in the same place as the Met but I don't think it's some conspiracy to frame anyone. What would be the point? And why would HCW care about what the Met. think?

I've seen absolutely nothing to support the claim that the UK police helped develop the case against the McCanns

 

[Dave55]

RSBM

This is where I left the Amaral train as well - but in the context of the Met investigation.

We know from PJ files, his book and then the Lisbon trial, what the direction of travel of the PJ inquiry was - see especially the initial archiving summary. We also know that English detectives helped develop the theory of the case. Then things fell apart. So far so good and established by multiple solid sources and inquiries

I do believe that Operation Grange was an inquiry the Met never wanted - rather it was a part of a game between Murdoch media and the Government where the parents were prime players in attacking the tabloid media (and suing them for a lot of money). Rebekah Brooks, then editor of the Sun, foisted it on the Cameron Government. This is my opinion only.

IMO the Met investigation has always been a lame duck investigation going nowhere. Proven by a decade of failure.

But to then to conclude this is all some kind of conspiracy seems odd to me, and it makes even less sense as regards BKA/HCW. Why would they even get involved?

IMO the only reason for HWC to go big was because he really thinks he's cracked the case.

Personally I think he will end up in the same place as the Met but I don't think it's some conspiracy to frame anyone. What would be the point? And why would HCW care about what the Met. think?

I've seen absolutely nothing to support the claim that the UK police helped develop the case against the McCanns