Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #27

[Dlk79]

His Pistorius documentary was a farce. Interview the killer, then pronounce him innocent. Typical access journalism.

Quite. MWT needs some sort of selling point for his doc to reveal something "new"and this is obviously the angle he's taking.

I'll wait to see what this alibi consists of exactly. From the sound of it, it relies on CB claiming he was not the person on the call in PDL. Therefore if BKA have evidence the number belongs to him, the onus is on CB to give a reasonable explanation as to who did have that phone.

Our source said: “They have concluded B could not have snatched Madeleine. He was 30 minutes away and was not on the phone in Praia da Luz the night she vanished.”

 

[C.greek]

Thanks for that confirmation of what I said ( except the full name) Lilly b.
People will have to draw their own conclusions as to why SY asked for all documents to be removed .

So what does this tell us? Null. That he is a British subject, possibly someone with a sex crime past and possibly not connected to the investigation.

Zuleika you state things as fact not because you cannot explain yourself well but because you want to muddy the waters... it is a typical modus operandi of conspiracy theorists

• The author presents their information as the only valid truth
• The author raises questions instead of providing answers
• The author demonises whoever they assume is behind the alleged secret plot
• The tone is subjective, emotionally charged
• The source of information is not clear
• The information is shared only by self-proclaimed experts

Please provide evidence and proof for what you are saying.

Identifying conspiracy theories

 

[C.greek]

Ddp

 

[C.greek]

Quite. MWT needs some sort of selling point for his doc to reveal something "new"and this is obviously the angle he's taking.

I'll wait to see what this alibi consists of exactly. From the sound of it, it relies on CB claiming he was not the person on the call in PDL. Therefore if BKA have evidence the number belongs to him, the onus is on CB to give a reasonable explanation as to who did have that phone.

Our source said: “They have concluded B could not have snatched Madeleine. He was 30 minutes away and was not on the phone in Praia da Luz the night she vanished.”

I think it also mentions of witnesses stating he was 30 min away.

 

[Zuleika]

So what does this tell us? Null. That he is a British subject, possibly someone with a sex crime past and possibly not connected to the investigation.

Zuleika you state things as fact not because you cannot explain yourself well but because you want to muddy the waters... it is a typical modus operandi of conspiracy theorists

• The author presents their information as the only valid truth
• The author raises questions instead of providing answers
• The author demonises whoever they assume is behind the alleged secret plot
• The tone is subjective, emotionally charged
• The source of information is not clear
• The information is shared only by self-proclaimed experts

Please provide evidence and proof for what you are saying.

Identifying conspiracy theories

Yet again you're wrong . Me saying " you will have to draw your own conclusions etc. " means just that ! You have already suggested what you think ? Myself and others might or might not agree . That doesn't make anyone a conspiracy theorist !
As to proof you're demanding I have not the remotest idea of what you're talking about .

 

[C.greek]

Oops, maybe I have it wrong, I mean the whole group including GM and KM so KM’s 10pm check definitely included in the timeline.

I don’t think KM’s check is helpful with CB’s alibi though because MM isn’t there. The last confirmed sighting of MM is GM’s. Therefore, if I’m thinking straight, CB’s alibi is x travel time away plus 90 seconds after GM’s check.

Unless of course, the T7+/-2 timeline is out, then the 90 second window could be much larger.

hope this makes sense.

So you think it must refer to GM's check?

I remember from Libby's case that the prosecutor did not have to explain the short time-frame for Libby's rape and subsequent murder (throwing in the water). So why would the onus be on the prosecutor here to explain the short timeframe for MM's abduction? If it appears that the alibi stands up for the whole duration I am sure BKA would also be aware of that? Having his lawyer give a 90 seconds timeframe and window of opportunity means he does not have an alibi for the whole duration?

And why only 90 seconds + x travel time after GM's check ? Because of possible sightings in between ?

 

[C.greek]

Phone records reportedly show Christian B was not near the scene on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance

So it is phone records rather than witnesses?

Madeleine McCann case set to collapse as team says suspect ‘was 30 minutes away’

 

[Dlk79]

TS saw a man twice observing apartment 5A, and she helped to draw up an e-fit.That is what I meant by identified . She identified the likeness of the efit to the man she saw . He was subsequently interviewed at length .

But you are jumping to assumptions here. Did this man they interviewed actually admit to being the person that TS saw? If he didn't, you are just talking about a man whose records don't appear in the PJ files because he had nothing to do with anything because he wasn't even the person TS saw.

 

[RichardKimble]

Phone records reportedly show Christian B was not near the scene on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance

So it is phone records rather than witnesses?

Madeleine McCann case set to collapse as team says suspect ‘was 30 minutes away’

Wolters say's phone records he was, up to Wolters to prove it, now it raises the question imo who saw CB that night and where.


From the Sun:Our source said: “They have concluded B could not have snatched Madeleine. He was 30 minutes away and was not on the phone in Praia da Luz the night she vanished.”

 

[RichardKimble]

So you think it must refer to GM's check?

I remember from Libby's case that the prosecutor did not have to explain the short time-frame for Libby's rape and subsequent murder (throwing in the water). So why would the onus be on the prosecutor here to explain the short timeframe for MM's abduction? If it appears that the alibi stands up for the whole duration I am sure BKA would also be aware of that? Having his lawyer give a 90 seconds timeframe and window of opportunity means he does not have an alibi for the whole duration?

And why only 90 seconds + x travel time after GM's check ? Because of possible sightings in between ?

Or his lawyer giving the timeframe shows its impossible for CB to have done it, especially if true in what MWT has found, the reasons for not arresting CB with concrete evidence is now becoming clearer imo.

 

[Dlk79]

Phone records reportedly show Christian B was not near the scene on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance

So it is phone records rather than witnesses?

Madeleine McCann case set to collapse as team says suspect ‘was 30 minutes away’

Could be misreporting, nothing in the actual article mentioning they used his phone records, just talks about witnesses in Germany and Portugal.

I do recall though that in FF's articles where he talked about taking different routes around the OC to prove CB didn't have enough time to have done it, there was a mention that FF was going to use CB's phone records to establish his alibi. It should be considered that CB perhaps had two phones at the time. One pinging in PDL and one half an hour away. The question then being which one he had on him.

Also, mustn't forget that HCW has not made much noise about CB being the abductor, only the murderer. In which case, him being half an hour away is not necessarily incompatible with him being guilty of killing her.

In any case, let's hope we don't have to wait too much longer for the doc so we can evaluate the veracity of this alibi for ourselves.

 

[Chiatos]

Phone records reportedly show Christian B was not near the scene on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance

So it is phone records rather than witnesses?

Madeleine McCann case set to collapse as team says suspect ‘was 30 minutes away’

It also says:
He was 30 minutes away and was not on the phone in Praia da Luz the night she vanished.

The new probe, ............, has reportedly found new witnesses in Portugal and Germany and determined an alibi for B “stacks up”.

The television programme ... is expected to dismantle the case against Christian B...

The three-part documentary will air on Channel 5 soon.

Well, we will see.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Phone records reportedly show Christian B was not near the scene on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance

So it is phone records rather than witnesses?

Madeleine McCann case set to collapse as team says suspect ‘was 30 minutes away’

Yes, the article refers to phone records. Hard to believe that these are other phone records, than the BKA refers to within their verdict. Not to forget, the phone call puts CB into PDL almost hours, before MM went missing. But it is said, that he wasn't the one who used the known number.

By the way, i do have my questions about the T9 timeline about the checks of 5A as well. I like to tend to see them more like the need for going to the toilet, without repeatedly looking into the childrens room. I remember lots of wine, starting at 8.00 pm in 5A.

So the possible timespan of the abduction theoretically could even have begun at 8.35 pm. Just the one single possibility of a GM going to the toilet at 9.00 pm without really checking the kids because it was quiet, makes the known timeline pretty useless.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/11/madeleinemccann

HCW didn't seem to be very interested in the old investigations IMO. So let's see, what's the real deal about the alleged alibi....

 

[Lilly b]

Quite. MWT needs some sort of selling point for his doc to reveal something "new"and this is obviously the angle he's taking.

I'll wait to see what this alibi consists of exactly. From the sound of it, it relies on CB claiming he was not the person on the call in PDL. Therefore if BKA have evidence the number belongs to him, the onus is on CB to give a reasonable explanation as to who did have that phone.

Our source said: “They have concluded B could not have snatched Madeleine. He was 30 minutes away and was not on the phone in Praia da Luz the night she vanished.”

Looking through some other sites, HB says he confirm the number is CB, this was 2017, can't be quoting other CB mm threads on here though?

 

[C.greek]

"Ex-detective Mark Williams-Thomas carries out the first active TV investigation into the German paedophile Christian B since he became the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case. The German authorities say they have evidence that Maddie is dead and that Christian B is guilty of her murder but they also say there isn't enough evidence to prosecute him. Mark already has new information - he has secured interviews with his accusers, former friends, neighbours and associates - some of whom have never spoken to the media before. As he discovers evidence that could turn the story on its head, what really happened to Madeleine McCann? This series is poised to offer the most definitive answer yet."

Madeleine McCann: Investigating the Prime Suspect - Drive TV

Apologies if this has already been posted...

 

[C.greek]

Could be misreporting, nothing in the actual article mentioning they used his phone records, just talks about witnesses in Germany and Portugal.

I do recall though that in FF's articles where he talked about taking different routes around the OC to prove CB didn't have enough time to have done it, there was a mention that FF was going to use CB's phone records to establish his alibi. It should be considered that CB perhaps had two phones at the time. One pinging in PDL and one half an hour away. The question then being which one he had on him.

Also, mustn't forget that HCW has not made much noise about CB being the abductor, only the murderer. In which case, him being half an hour away is not necessarily incompatible with him being guilty of killing her.

In any case, let's hope we don't have to wait too much longer for the doc so we can evaluate the veracity of this alibi for ourselves.

A naive qs, if one does not use their phone would it ping? I am talking about 2007, no gps etc tracking one's mobile...

 

[tedtink]

Could be misreporting, nothing in the actual article mentioning they used his phone records, just talks about witnesses in Germany and Portugal.

I do recall though that in FF's articles where he talked about taking different routes around the OC to prove CB didn't have enough time to have done it, there was a mention that FF was going to use CB's phone records to establish his alibi. It should be considered that CB perhaps had two phones at the time. One pinging in PDL and one half an hour away. The question then being which one he had on him.

Also, mustn't forget that HCW has not made much noise about CB being the abductor, only the murderer. In which case, him being half an hour away is not necessarily incompatible with him being guilty of killing her.

In any case, let's hope we don't have to wait too much longer for the doc so we can evaluate the veracity of this alibi for ourselves.

Yes and he talked of a 'witness' too.

'The lawyer for the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann says he has uncovered new evidence that he claims will clear his client.'

Friedrich Fülscher has insisted they have the wrong man and now has proof Brueckner is innocent in the case and when it is revealed 'you will fall off you chair', Sun Online reports.

He added: "I cannot go into details but it is very significant and involves someone who has provided me with vital information.

"I found new details in my first trip and I have been back again to follow it up.

"I'm confident this case will not go to court and the British media will lose interest in my client.

Well I guess the 'prosecution' has been 'presenting their case' in the media for nearly 2 years.
Let's see what the 'defence' has to offer, in the MWT and FF collaboration (jmo)

Don't forget your chair straps when this airs

 

[C.greek]

Regardless of CB's whereabouts, and let's just say he was not the abductor, HCW appears 100% certain MM was killed by CB. So his evidence postdates the abduction... he cannot just go out in public and say they have concrete evidence CB killed her, if they don't have it, right? Would a prosecutor bluff?

 

[Anxala]

I don't have much time for MWT but anything that takes the current investigation forward productively is good news so looking forward to seeing what he's come up with.

 

[RichardKimble]

Regardless of CB's whereabouts, and let's just say he was not the abductor, HCW appears 100% certain MM was killed by CB. So his evidence postdates the abduction... he cannot just go out in public and say they have concrete evidence CB killed her, if they don't have it, right? Would a prosecutor bluff?

Which in itself raises further questions how did CB and Madeleine come together for him according to Wolters to kill the girl, lets wait and see what MWT comes up with but it could point to where the investigation is stalled .