Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #27

[Nikolai_ff]

Great video and demonstration of the shutters.

So, Janosch says there were 3 burglaries in the Ocean club apartments in the weeks prior to MM's disappearance. And in all 3, the intruder entered through the window. If CB had any part in those other burglaries, he would probably have known that he could also then exit via the patio doors if he wanted to, since they only lock and open from an inside latch. So there may have been no need to check for an open door first if you already knew you could easily get in through the window. Especially as the patio door to 5A was a lot more open and leaves you more susceptible to being spotted by a passers-by or OC residents.

Unless I am mistaken, there are different size windows in Ocean Club. So the bigger ones are ok to be used for break in.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

There are strong ‘beliefs’ on the entry and exit points of 5a but there are three potential entry and exit points and therefore a total of nine combinations of entry and exit. It’s impossible for anyone on this forum to state with certainty which combination was used.

The objective of the perpetrator would help explain some things except we don’t know that either. For example, if the objective was to abuse MM in situ then IMO this gives more credence to the open window to see/hear suggestion.

Another important factor is if the perpetrator acted alone or not. Again, IMO the window is a good exit option for a two person abduction.

Based on logic and a planned abduction by one perpetrator - HCW has suggested CB acted alone, my opinion is that the entry was the patio doors and the exit was the front door. It makes sense that the perpetrator was watching the apt so waiting until a check by a parent had been made and the coast was clear, entering through patio doors is the most efficient method. The window was opened as an emergency exit, particularly important if the objective was in situ abuse as is part of CB’s MO in prior known cases. The exit via the front door is the farthest exit point from the Tapas Bar and the quickest route a waiting car or walking ‘safe’ zone.

Thanks. My "feelings" as well.
The point, for me, is not discussing if window was impossible or not to allow entering/exiting. It's about what, for each of us, seems to be more logical, plausible to be happened, but considering ALL (but ALL) important details, scenarios, location/orientation, etc to be as objetive as possible.

 

[Zuleika]

10 MPH at Faro at 10pm. so..... breezy.

Montenegro, Portugal Weather History | Weather Underground

Praia da Luz ,is not Faro a distance which would take an hour by car .
Can you guarantee wind speed at your home would be the same in another place an hour away ? Wind speeds differ in a matter of a few miles .
Why try to outdo on the spot that night in P da L experts ?

 

[Zuleika]

My guess? I think they have a video or photos of either MM dead or of an act that could have caused her death - but as they have said not with the perp being identifiable 100% as CB. And for that they need to make sure they can prove CB was there that night and taking witness statements/his confessions. JMO

I believe that in part . He has said as much by referring to an act a child could not have survived
However I think it's not with 100 % certainty it's MM as it is not 100% certain CB is the perpetrator .
He's probably going on what was revealed as him wanting to torture a little one .JMO

 

[Betty_Boop88]

And also whether the unidentified fingerprints on the possible entry/exit points could have been CBs... just like in HB case (it seems as though CB was not wearing gloves in that case at least not all the time!!)

To quote HB in the Irish Post article linked above:

"He consistently cleaned his hands, and repeatedly changed condoms."

So no gloves.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

There are strong ‘beliefs’ on the entry and exit points of 5a but there are three potential entry and exit points and therefore a total of nine combinations of entry and exit. It’s impossible for anyone on this forum to state with certainty which combination was used.

The objective of the perpetrator would help explain some things except we don’t know that either. For example, if the objective was to abuse MM in situ then IMO this gives more credence to the open window to see/hear suggestion.

Another important factor is if the perpetrator acted alone or not. Again, IMO the window is a good exit option for a two person abduction.

Based on logic and a planned abduction by one perpetrator - HCW has suggested CB acted alone, my opinion is that the entry was the patio doors and the exit was the front door. It makes sense that the perpetrator was watching the apt so waiting until a check by a parent had been made and the coast was clear, entering through patio doors is the most efficient method. The window was opened as an emergency exit, particularly important if the objective was in situ abuse as is part of CB’s MO in prior known cases. The exit via the front door is the farthest exit point from the Tapas Bar and the quickest route a waiting car or walking ‘safe’ zone.

Walking safe zone...a car park so close, but then the Smith sighting. The timing, the location, the direction...

 

[SuperdadV8]

I guess this is why CB hasn't been charged yet even though the BKA are convinced CB is the murderer. Because they need a bulletproof case to take to court as according to German laws someone cannot be trialled again for the same crime, am I right SuperDad? We have not been presented with any evidence... jmo. Like now with the Irish woman that just as the case is ready to go on trial we found out that they have a matched partial fingerprint of CB in the crime scene that they know of since 2017...

You are right!

 

[tedtink]

Praia da Luz ,is not Faro a distance which would take an hour by car .
Can you guarantee wind speed at your home would be the same in another place an hour away ? Wind speeds differ in a matter of a few miles .
Why try to outdo on the spot that night in P da L experts ?

Again, if you have a link to the so called 'wind expert' please post it and at least back up your 'facts' otherwise it's just your opinion, at least I tried to find evidence, which is better than hearsay.

 

[RichardKimble]

I feel a little bit strange - once again I have to admit. This is supposed to be the thread for CB as a suspect in relation to MM's disappearance. It's even titled such ! "Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect"

Why should we not discuss CB as the potential suspect in this case and even as MM's abductor?!

Potential abductor, has it been firmly established abduction is the outcome of her (Madeleine) disappearance.
Is it usual for the BKA to name suspects, in 2014 when SY were after the three locals their names were not released, it wasn't until 2017 Panorama 10 yr thing that the BEEB named the three.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Potential abductor, has it been firmly established abduction is the outcome of her (Madeleine) disappearance.
Is it usual for the BKA to name suspects, in 2014 when SY were after the three locals their names were not released, it wasn't until 2017 Panorama 10 yr thing that the BEEB named the three.

The BKA never named a suspect in the MM case. The british tabloid did.

 

[RichardKimble]

The BKA never named a suspect in the MM case. The british tabloid did.

Ah, apologises but where did the name arrive from ?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Ah, apologises but where did the name arrive from ?

Only from the media. HCW named CB for the first time, AFTER the media made the name public. As far as i can remember, it must have been The Sun or the Mirror, who brought CB's full name up just hours after HCW's public appeal.

 

[RichardKimble]

Only from the media. HCW named CB for the first time, AFTER the media made the name public. As far as i can remember, it must have been The Sun or the Mirror, who brought CB's full name up just hours after HCW's public appeal.

It matters not, but the media didn't just pluck his name out of fresh air.
It'll be interesting to see what the new year brings, more details in the press no doubt but nothing of substance about how CB is supposed to have committed a crime against Madeleine.

 

[SuperdadV8]

It matters not, but the media didn't just pluck his name out of fresh air.
It'll be interesting to see what the new year brings, more details in the press no doubt but nothing of substance about how CB is supposed to have committed a crime against Madeleine.

There is always the possibility, that HCW made the public appeal earlier than planned, because SY gave BKA the tip off, that some witnesses, who have been interrogated between 2017 and 2020, sold their story to british tabloids.

Maybe the tabloids contacted SY to ask if their story is true und so SY warned off the BKA.

The best way should be then to come forward, even if the investigation isn't finished.

Just look at possible witnesses like Manfred S., interrogated by the BKA years ago, who puts his boozy nose in front of a lot of cameras, obviously to earn some cash.

So the tabloids must have got the name from people, who have been interrogated in the past.

 

[C.greek]

To put an end on this discussion about the wind speed. Check Weather Archive Praia Da Luz - meteoblue

It appears on the 3rd the wind speed was an average of 16mph...

 

[Zuleika]

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The issue being discussed , the window claimed to be open and the wind strong enough to blow the curtains ( as claimed) isn't an established fact ,(it's only a claim )To use it as an example of how the alleged suspect CB got into and out of the apt is wrong imo . That's why I'm being polemical

 

[Lilly b]

Back to the post Abit back from the olive press

This is in it,
According to a new TV documentary on German channel Sat.1, ........ any Germans know when this is out?

EXCLUSIVE: Explosive fingerprint clue as Madeleine McCann suspect faces three new charges - Olive Press News Spain

 

[C.greek]

The issue being discussed , the window claimed to be open and the wind strong enough to blow the curtains ( as claimed) isn't an established fact ,(it's only a claim )To use it as an example of how the alleged suspect CB got into and out of the apt is wrong imo . That's why I'm being polemical

It's not a matter of the wind being strong enough, it's the draft that was created when another entrance point was opened that could have made the curtain move... if you have facts, please let us know of them. The wind speed by the way was much more that 5mph.

I searched the mccann pj files and while I find the request to check the weather conditions and the quote from the Institute of Meteorology I cannot find their report...

 

[peanutJelly]

Potential abductor, has it been firmly established abduction is the outcome of her (Madeleine) disappearance.
Is it usual for the BKA to name suspects, in 2014 when SY were after the three locals their names were not released, it wasn't until 2017 Panorama 10 yr thing that the BEEB named the three.

Exactly my point in my earlier post, I can’t recall HCW saying that CB abducted MM, just that he was responsible for death. Lots of discussion here about how CB took MM from the apartment when we don’t even know if he did. We may never know, even if CB is charged

 

[C.greek]

Exactly my point in my earlier post, I can’t recall HCW saying that CB abducted MM, just that he was responsible for death. Lots of discussion here about how CB took MM from the apartment when we don’t even know if he did. We may never know, even if CB is charged

I quote: "Addressing Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, he (HCW) said: “We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.

“All I can do is ask for your patience. I think a conclusion will be reached next year. We have no body and no DNA but we have other evidence. Based on the evidence we have, it leads to no other conclusion.

“I can’t tell you on which basis we assume she is dead. But for us, there’s no other possibility. There is no hope she is alive.”

Is that enough? That they suspect him of abduction and murder? For me it is.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-search-christian-brueckner-murder-b1935250.html