Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #27

[RichardKimble]

I was reading the horrible story of the murder of 7 year old Danielle van dam in the US, by a neighbour who abducted her at night from her bedroom.

A witness stated that the side door was left open and "the prosecutor Jeff Dusek theorized that Westerfield might have entered this way; he emphasized, however, that the prosecution did not have the burden to demonstrate how the kidnapping was done, only that it was done."
And ETA that no forensics at all of the murderer were found in the house from where Danielle was abducted.

Moreover, in other cases of children murdered by a stranger, that stranger was most often than not a convicted pedophile or at least after they investigated them they found images of child abuse on their computers. So CB should have been looked at way more closely in the first days after MM's disappearance. It is not an excuse they they knocked on his door and he was not there!! They should have fully investigated all known pedophiles in the vicinity the days after MM was gone. Now 10-15 years after the crime there will be no forensics from the crime scene...be that CB's or whoever else's van, jaguar, home.

Mark Rowley 2017: That has been one key line of enquiry. The reality is in any urban area, you cast your net wide
and you find a whole range of offences and sex offenders who live nearby and those coincidences
need to be sifted out; what is a coincidence and what could be linked to the investigation we are
currently dealing with and just like we do in London we have been doing in Portugal so offences which
could be linked have to be looked at and either ruled in or ruled out and that’s the work we have been
doing.

 

[RichardKimble]

This has made me think of something…

As is mentioned in this video link there were burglaries at same block shortly before MM disappearance.
One was appartment directly above 5A ( a week before )...so if someone climbed up there ….they would possibly have had to touch some of structure of 5A somewhere..
If they didn’t have gloves on , although that seems unlikely …..could have left prints below on 5A…perhaps prints that have been logged after MM taken..?
And if that climbing burglar was CB…?…

Of course this wouldn’t change the scenario that still possible and indeed likely ( imo ) that CB also involved in events of the 3rd May…

SY identified local's , still doesn't explain how they missed CB having analysed the phone records.

 

[RichardKimble]

I wouldn't insist on the possibilities of the abduction, because there might be, as GA said, no evidence that places CB in 5A.

In the new documentary i wrote about earlier, Feldhaus asked HCW of what crime he accuses CB.

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Quote: "We accuse CB of having murdered MM in PDL in 2007".

Not more, not less!

So it doesn't really matter if CB has been in 5A or how the little girl left the apartment, as long as they can prove the killing itself.

So if they can't put CB into 5A it would possibly be enough to put him into PDL the night, what points out to the phone mast ping. The verdict of the killing must be based on other evidence IMO.

There might be no concrete evidence that puts CB in 5A between 9.15pm and 10.00 pm and no concrete evidence that a recognizable CB killed her on screen or a body that has been found. But there must be something else and that must go far beyond a testimony of another crooked guy. No judge in germany would allow a public inquiry just based on simple hearsay!!!

That's why there are still parts of the jigsaw missing, that have to be put togehter, not to allow FF a job that will be too simple!

All i wrote is just a simple case of deductive logic....

Which is where it was in June 2020.

 

[mrjitty]

Moreover, in other cases of children murdered by a stranger, that stranger was most often than not a convicted pedophile or at least after they investigated them they found images of child abuse on their computers. So CB should have been looked at way more closely in the first days after MM's disappearance.

The trouble is, without a break in the case to link CB to it somehow, what does "looking at him closely" really mean? You speak to him of course (so long as he agreed), but it is not like you have a search warrant. The Met faced the same issue, wasting years getting nowhere.

 

[C.greek]

The trouble is, without a break in the case to link CB to it somehow, what does "looking at him closely" really mean? You speak to him of course (so long as he agreed), but it is not like you have a search warrant. The Met faced the same issue, wasting years getting nowhere.

They didn't speak to him though! Couldn't they get a search warrant? I am baffled by this. I don't think the list of pedophiles they had in file was that long though early in the days of MM's disappearance

 

[RichardKimble]

They didn't speak to him though! Couldn't they get a search warrant? I am baffled by this. I don't think the list of pedophiles they had in file was that long though early in the days of MM's disappearance

The question being, when was he (CB) noted as a paedo, and were the PJ aware of such ?

 

[Lilly b]

SY identified local's , still doesn't explain how they missed CB having analysed the phone records.

I think that there was lots of unidentified mobile numbers, but I'm sure, they may of realised his number, when they was searching for IG, think his factory place, where they found the dead dog, I could be wrong on those details, but it's something like that, maybe someone can clarify for me?

 

[Lilly b]

The question being, when was he (CB) noted as a paedo, and were the PJ aware of such ?

Oh come on, you don't seem to be reading much about it, go back to when he was busted for stealing the diesel, and went to prison

 

[RichardKimble]

Oh come on, you don't seem to be reading much about it, go back to when he was busted for stealing the diesel, and went to prison

Diesel being paedo tenancy's ?

 

[RichardKimble]

I think that there was lots of unidentified mobile numbers, but I'm sure, they may of realised his number, when they was searching for IG, think his factory place, where they found the dead dog, I could be wrong on those details, but it's something like that, maybe someone can clarify for me?

But SY identified their suspects from a few second's length of text or calls from critical analysis of the records, the very same records the BKA have fingered their guy with , if CB's phone had activated after the event as well as the 30 minutes before it might be suspicious, the BKA are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole much like all before them imo.

Oh come on, you don't seem to be reading much about it, go back to when he was busted for stealing the diesel, and went to prison

So this guy is known to the PJ, SY with their critical analysis didn't pick up on him, why do suppose that is ? after all he had/has a criminal record of which is is diesel theft and if I read you right offences against children.

 

[RichardKimble]

Oh come on, you don't seem to be reading much about it, go back to when he was busted for stealing the diesel, and went to prison

Sky news.:Madeleine McCann: Christian B twice slipped through net of Portuguese investigators
It meant that Christian B wasn't registered in Portuguese police files as a paedophile and was not among the dozens of known paedophiles who were questioned as potential suspects when Madeleine vanished.

Mr Vieira said: "Everyone is blaming the Portuguese police, but you should ask the German authorities if they sent a list of all the German paedophiles living in Portugal."

 

[mrjitty]

They didn't speak to him though! Couldn't they get a search warrant? I am baffled by this. I don't think the list of pedophiles they had in file was that long though early in the days of MM's disappearance

I think this is a big misconception in the case.

Exact rules vary country to country, but in general police can't get search warrants to search private property without probable cause or some real basis for suspicion.

They can't bust in to your home just because you have a criminal record, to see if you were involved. Fishing expeditions are not allowed.

In the end the core problem is there was nothing to link anyone to an abduction, until CB was ratted out.

 

[Lilly b]

They didn't speak to him though! Couldn't they get a search warrant? I am baffled by this. I don't think the list of pedophiles they had in file was that long though early in the days of MM's disappearance

No, they just knocked on the door, no answer and off they went, to think that mm could of been in the house with him at that time
Could also be, that as GA thought it was the parents and she wasn't abducted they never bothered to much, and also the effect of not wanting that sort of thing hitting the spotlight in pdl.
And even if he had answered, you would need a warrant or permission to look round

 

[misty48]

Sky news.:Madeleine McCann: Christian B twice slipped through net of Portuguese investigators
It meant that Christian B wasn't registered in Portuguese police files as a paedophile and was not among the dozens of known paedophiles who were questioned as potential suspects when Madeleine vanished.

Mr Vieira said: "Everyone is blaming the Portuguese police, but you should ask the German authorities if they sent a list of all the German paedophiles living in Portugal."

CB was extradited from Portugal in 1999 back to Germany to complete his sentence following conviction for sexual offences against a 6 year old girl. There was no excuse for PJ at Faro not to be aware he'd returned to the Algarve based on 2 further convictions between 2004 & end of 2006.
Portuguese police mugshots of Christian Brueckner from 1999 reveal officers knew about sordid past | Daily Mail Online

Even as recently as 2014, Portuguese police initially denied the existence of an International Arrest Warrant for a wanted UK Sex Offender who was found to be working on the Algarve - they couldn't find the details on their system.
Wanted sex offender is traced to Algarve club. - Free Online Library

I doubt PJ knew he lived in Luz, though - in Jan 2007 they were chasing him, for an unpaid fine, at an address in Lagos town.

 

[RichardKimble]

From the Mail article posted by Misty. He told a Portuguese judge he had been in jail in Germany for sex crimes against children after he was arrested for stealing diesel in 2006.

Martin Brunt for Sky:
Asked by a judge to list his previous crimes, he admitted to a conviction for sex abuse in Germany when he was a juvenile, but didn't reveal his victim was a young girl.

The court stenographer recorded: "When he was 17 years old he was convicted in Germany for burglaries and sex crimes."

Serafim Vieira, the Portuguese lawyer who defended him in a Portimao court, said: "He didn't tell the judge it was a paedophile crime and the judge was not obliged to ask for the German police files or investigate it.

"The crime was more than ten years earlier and had no bearing on the theft crime he had just admitted."


So which is true ?

 

[C.greek]

From the Mail article posted by Misty. He told a Portuguese judge he had been in jail in Germany for sex crimes against children after he was arrested for stealing diesel in 2006.

Martin Brunt for Sky:
Asked by a judge to list his previous crimes, he admitted to a conviction for sex abuse in Germany when he was a juvenile, but didn't reveal his victim was a young girl.

The court stenographer recorded: "When he was 17 years old he was convicted in Germany for burglaries and sex crimes."

Serafim Vieira, the Portuguese lawyer who defended him in a Portimao court, said: "He didn't tell the judge it was a paedophile crime and the judge was not obliged to ask for the German police files or investigate it.

"The crime was more than ten years earlier and had no bearing on the theft crime he had just admitted."


So which is true ?

They certainly knew as GA himself admitted to knocking on CB's door very early on in the investigation. He must have been in that list of pedophiles the PJ files are not sharing @Lilly b above says it perfectly

 

[C.greek]

From the Mail article posted by Misty. He told a Portuguese judge he had been in jail in Germany for sex crimes against children after he was arrested for stealing diesel in 2006.

Martin Brunt for Sky:
Asked by a judge to list his previous crimes, he admitted to a conviction for sex abuse in Germany when he was a juvenile, but didn't reveal his victim was a young girl.

The court stenographer recorded: "When he was 17 years old he was convicted in Germany for burglaries and sex crimes."

Serafim Vieira, the Portuguese lawyer who defended him in a Portimao court, said: "He didn't tell the judge it was a paedophile crime and the judge was not obliged to ask for the German police files or investigate it.

"The crime was more than ten years earlier and had no bearing on the theft crime he had just admitted."


So which is true ?

Can you please provide a link to the other quote?

 

[RichardKimble]

Can you please provide a link to the other quote?

Madeleine McCann: Christian B twice slipped through net of Portuguese investigators

 

[Betty_Boop88]

Diesel being paedo tenancy's ?

I doubt he was living in the tank.

If, however, we’re talking about the tendencies of paedophiles… They walk amongst us every day. They are parents, siblings, children of people themselves. They hide themselves amongst regular people, from high society (JE + GM) to lowlife scum (CB).

If you can tell a paedo just by looking at a person or from what petty crime they’ve been involved in in the past, then I sincerely hope you lend your superpowers to the appropriate authorities in your country.

The only common tendency of any paedophile is that they sexually fantasise about children. Some act on it, some don’t.

 

[C.greek]

From the Mail article posted by Misty. He told a Portuguese judge he had been in jail in Germany for sex crimes against children after he was arrested for stealing diesel in 2006.

Martin Brunt for Sky:
Asked by a judge to list his previous crimes, he admitted to a conviction for sex abuse in Germany when he was a juvenile, but didn't reveal his victim was a young girl.

The court stenographer recorded: "When he was 17 years old he was convicted in Germany for burglaries and sex crimes."

Serafim Vieira, the Portuguese lawyer who defended him in a Portimao court, said: "He didn't tell the judge it was a paedophile crime and the judge was not obliged to ask for the German police files or investigate it.

"The crime was more than ten years earlier and had no bearing on the theft crime he had just admitted."


So which is true ?

I will put the link here saying what GA himself said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...166/madeleine-mccann-cops-suspect-missed/amp/

PJ did knock on his door early on; why on earth would the Pj even have done that if they had no idea about his past? there is no qs the PJ did not know