Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #27

[katydid23]

Is it quite common for paedophiles ,who as you rightly say sexually fantasise about children , to rape both young women and old ladies ? ( CB with the Irish woman and the American lady )
Are we to accept that the paedophile while fantasising about children also actually desires sex with the young female yet to commit the act of rape on a older female must be seen as victimisation of the elderly ?

Rapists and Predators are about POWER over the weak and vulnerable. Many choose to assault a wide variety of victims. They go with OPPORTUNITY.

CB was a burglar by trade. He was always looking for homes and resorts to break into and steal from. Bonus points for finding a woman or a child that could be assaulted.

 

[mrjitty]

If someone life is in danger and especially a child's they can. By law they can. They had reasonable cause.

They still have to have some reason to think she is in there.

my 02c

 

[mrjitty]

I am fairly sure they had a list >600.

In the bold, do you know that this information was available to the PJ at the time?

GA has stated a lot of things, do you believe everything he has said? What’s more, the only doors CB had 3 May 2007 were the ones attached to his VW WF.

“Who else would abduct a child?” Kidnappers, a desperate childless couple, someone who was insane - there are reasonable alternatives ... goodness, perhaps she left 5A of her own accord (please everyone, let’s not start another four pages of how MM exited the apartment).

Look, I’m not a PJ cheerleader but in this circumstance, it’s reasonable they missed CB in the initial investigation.

All MO and I think it’s fine if yours is different.

For me the biggest problem with the initial investigation is the JT created a wild goose chase in the first hours, and days that followed, focussed investigators on the wrong description, and wrong timing.

Also - as we see from the Cleo Smith case, its possible for the perp to get clean away - so unless you have CCTV and a digital trail you have a big problem.

But in PDL back in the day, those things were more difficult. Especially the area didn't have lots of CCTV and we can't track the phones accurately like we can now (if CB even took a phone with him).

Maybe by zeroing in on CB, PJ could have found a break in the case, but I also sympathise that there was no specific reason for PJ or Met to focus on him as opposed to all the others.

In the end I am not surprised that it took a tip off to finally bring him into the picture. That's what often happens.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The PJ did an awful job and created a mess. The more I read about the case, the angrier I get. I am not saying they could have found CB immediately but they so easily dismiss him from other cases that I have no reason to believe they did everything they could.

When a child disappears in the middle of the night an alert should be raised immediately. This was not done. Had it been done we might not have been here discussing the case.
Have to go back to work now

Other than your opinion about the PJ, I’m not sure what you are saying. My point is only that locating CB and suspecting him of MM’s abduction based on the evidence and information the PJ had at the time was difficult and that they did a terrible job on this piece of the investigation is unfair.

I am genuinely asking you a question on the bold segment of your prior post, please respond on that.

 

[RichardKimble]

In my view, there are just two reasons to keep snippets of reports of crimes.

1. Your are interested in the case.
2. You are involved in the case.

But i never heard of someone keeping a poster of a still missing child on his wall, that isn't his own child. WTF???

By the way, according to the report, it was a grown up peado, that kept the poster on his wall!!!

If the authorities seized your computer or any one else's for that matter who is interested in this case, what would your response be to said authorities ? after they found all manner of references to the case in the hard drive.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

For me the biggest problem with the initial investigation is the JT created a wild goose chase in the first hours, and days that followed, focussed investigators on the wrong description, and wrong timing.

Also - as we see from the Cleo Smith case, its possible for the perp to get clean away - so unless you have CCTV and a digital trail you have a big problem.

But in PDL back in the day, those things were more difficult. Especially the area didn't have lots of CCTV and we can't track the phones accurately like we can now (if CB even took a phone with him).

Maybe by zeroing in on CB, PJ could have found a break in the case, but I also sympathise that there was no specific reason for PJ or Met to focus on him as opposed to all the others.

In the end I am not surprised that it took a tip off to finally bring him into the picture. That's what often happens.

I agree with you, to me the PJ’s much bigger mistake was zeroing in on RM and the McCanns and excluding other possibilities.

In my mind, at the time, CB was just a ex PDL resident with a conviction for diesel theft so far as the PJ were concerned. I understand that other info has come to light since he has been accused by HCW but in 2007, I’m not sure the PJ could have even known if he was in Portugal.

I could be wrong on some of this do happy to be corrected.

 

[RichardKimble]

It would actually be more suspicious to me if his phone never activated again, after that 30min call.
Whether it did or it didn’t, we aren’t privy to that information.

Just suppose the call before hand was linked to the disappearance, having snatched the girl he made no contact with any one after ? there would be more likely phone traffic after imo than before the fact.

 

[RichardKimble]

I agree with you, to me the PJ’s much bigger mistake was zeroing in on RM and the McCanns and excluding other possibilities.

In my mind, at the time, CB was just a ex PDL resident with a conviction for diesel theft so far as the PJ were concerned. I understand that other info has come to light since he has been accused by HCW but in 2007, I’m not sure the PJ could have even known if he was in Portugal.

I could be wrong on some of this do happy to be corrected.

From the link to a Sky piece by M Brunt I posted up thread its said the PJ never knew of CB's paedo crimes, so no reason to suspect him, fast forward to Grange, they never picked up on him either, why ?

It meant that Christian B wasn't registered in Portuguese police files as a paedophile and was not among the dozens of known paedophiles who were questioned as potential suspects when Madeleine vanished.

Mr Vieira said: "Everyone is blaming the Portuguese police, but you should ask the German authorities if they sent a list of all the German paedophiles living in Portugal."

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Just suppose the call before hand was linked to the disappearance, having snatched the girl he made no contact with any one after ? there would be more likely phone traffic after imo than before the fact.

If there are two perpetrators then the call beforehand could be for surveillance i.e. one watching 5A and relaying messages to the other. After the abduction, it’s reasonable to assume the perpetrators are together and therefore no reason to make anymore calls.

As Betty mentioned, we don’t know if there were more calls after the abduction but unless you have a reason, I’m not sure it follows that more calls would necessarily happen after vs before the abduction.

 

[Chiatos]

From the link to a Sky piece by M Brunt I posted up thread its said the PJ never knew of CB's paedo crimes, so no reason to suspect him, fast forward to Grange, they never picked up on him either, why ?

It meant that Christian B wasn't registered in Portuguese police files as a paedophile and was not among the dozens of known paedophiles who were questioned as potential suspects when Madeleine vanished.

Mr Vieira said: "Everyone is blaming the Portuguese police, but you should ask the German authorities if they sent a list of all the German paedophiles living in Portugal."

However, in 2020 Sexta9 discovered and disclosed that PJ at the Directorio do Sul, did know of his paedo background.
PJ had that info on file since 1999 (see image). Face it, PJ messed up.

 

[RichardKimble]

However, in 2020 Sexta9 discovered and disclosed that PJ at the Directorio do Sul, did know of his paedo background.
PJ had that info on file since 1999 (see image). Face it, PJ messed up.

So how did OG miss him ?

 

[RichardKimble]

If there are two perpetrators then the call beforehand could be for surveillance i.e. one watching 5A and relaying messages to the other. After the abduction, it’s reasonable to assume the perpetrators are together and therefore no reason to make anymore calls.

As Betty mentioned, we don’t know if there were more calls after the abduction but unless you have a reason, I’m not sure it follows that more calls would necessarily happen after vs before the abduction.

But by that reasoning how does one account for any movement after the fact. No one saw CB, the descriptions of the two men seen carrying children doesn't tie in with CB ,one is all but discounted by £12 million of tax payers money, its like it didn't happen .

 

[Chiatos]

So how did OG miss him ?

I have no idea.
The thing is that it seems that investigators had been focusing on phone records as from 21:30 hrs onwards, except for phone records of POI's.
CB's phone had been used from 19:32 tot 20:02, outside the time frame of LE's focus.

 

[C.greek]

Other than your opinion about the PJ, I’m not sure what you are saying. My point is only that locating CB and suspecting him of MM’s abduction based on the evidence and information the PJ had at the time was difficult and that they did a terrible job on this piece of the investigation is unfair.

I am genuinely asking you a question on the bold segment of your prior post, please respond on that.

What is the question? and allow me to say that it is not only MY opinion about the PJ'S handling of the investigation...

 

[RichardKimble]

I have no idea.
The thing is that it seems that investigators had been focusing on phone records as from 21:30 hrs onwards, except for phone records of POI's.
CB's phone had been used from 19:32 tot 20:02, outside the time frame of LE's focus.

But move it on to OG they had far more resources at their disposal, around 30 plus civilian staff translating and critically analysing the files , it doesn't add up that a call of 30 minutes length was not deemed important until 2020. It could be argued that CB raised no suspicions because even OG weren't aware of his past, ergo nor the PJ.

 

[C.greek]

They still have to have some reason to think she is in there.

my 02c

okay, now getting into tabloid territory ... a nanny who was interviewed by the PJ said that she was shown a photo of CB and was told his name when she was shown identikits of possible suspects, one day after her official statement in May 2007. She revealed this info when CB's name was put out by the BKA. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406
[she did not recognise him as having seen him]

CT, a so-called 'credible witness' had said she would be able to identify the man she saw acting suspiciously the day MM disappeared. (and if you read her statement a year after her initial one, she does not think the efit drawn based on her description was accurate enough)
P.J. POLICE FILES: CAROL TRANMER MRS FENN'S NIECE STATEMENT
since the public appeal for information on CB, she identified CB as the man she saw back then

Madeleine witness says Christian B IS man she saw near apartment

Based on these, with a pinch of salt of course, it would appear: 1) PJ had CB in their radar, 2) CT could act as a witness in a future trial

jmo

 

[Betty_Boop88]

Just suppose the call before hand was linked to the disappearance, having snatched the girl he made no contact with any one after ? there would be more likely phone traffic after imo than before the fact.

If he acted alone, as is the official line at present, then he would have no reason to contact anyone after.
If it was opportunistic, he could have simply turned his phone off afterwards either in panic/the adrenaline rush. Or so as not to be disturbed.

 

[Zuleika]

If we're talking media now ,how about this statement in the DM 7thJune 2020


It comes after a Portuguese witness claimed Brueckner had sex with under age girls by paying them with drugs.The witness, who appeared on the TV station TVi24 with her face obscured, said she knew Brueckner was the man selling drugs as she also recognised the VW camper van that police seized last year and are using as part of their appeal for new information.


She told a Portuguese TV station that the women were 'minors' and under the legal age of consent.
Revealing he always spoke English and hung around with a lookalike pal who she also thought was British, she added in the interview with Portuguese TV station TVI:
'I thought the other man was a brother or a friend
Both were tall and both were blond-haired.

'One had blue eyes and the other had green eyes. I thought both of them were English until I found out now one of them was German "

From this we learn CB had a lookalike pal .
Perhaps he's the one CT saw ?

 

[C.greek]

If we're talking media now ,how about this statement in the DM 7thJune 2020

It comes after a Portuguese witness claimed Brueckner had sex with under age girls by paying them with drugs.The witness, who appeared on the TV station TVi24 with her face obscured, said she knew Brueckner was the man selling drugs as she also recognised the VW camper van that police seized last year and are using as part of their appeal for new information.

She told a Portuguese TV station that the women were 'minors' and under the legal age of consent.
Revealing he always spoke English and hung around with a lookalike pal who she also thought was British, she added in the interview with Portuguese TV station TVI:
'I thought the other man was a brother or a friend
Both were tall and both were blond-haired.

'One had blue eyes and the other had green eyes. I thought both of them were English until I found out now one of them was German "

From this we learn CB had a lookalike pal .
Perhaps he's the one CT saw ?

We have discussed this as well in the past, trying to identify the lookalike pal.
But come on now...are you seriously presenting here credible doubts about the identification?

 

[RichardKimble]

We have discussed this as well in the past, trying to identify the lookalike pal.
But come on now...are you seriously presenting here credible doubts about the identification?

There have to be credible doubts in relation to the girls disappearance and CB's role in it.