Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #27

[Zuleika]

Do you not think he may have gone into a little more detail than 'I know what happened to her'?
Do you think if CB had just said that, HB would have just shrugged it off without asking CB to expand on that statement?
You think that HB couldn't just have put that in an email to OG, no, they flew out to Greece, swept the Hotel for bugs, allegedly - Lot more to HB's testimony IMO.

No I don't . If you've ever been in the company of someone rambling on a combination of drugs and alcohol and tried to press them further .... nil result .... they've like as not forgotten what thev've said and if pressed turn nasty .
Let's not make a hero out of HB ! He waited 12 years to tell a tale .
You're entitled to your opinion but I think your imagination's running away with you .

 

[peanutJelly]

No I don't . If you've ever been in the company of someone rambling on a combination of drugs and alcohol and tried to press them further .... nil result .... they've like as not forgotten what thev've said and if pressed turn nasty .
Let's not make a hero out of HB ! He waited 12 years to tell a tale .
You're entitled to your opinion but I think your imagination's running away with you .

Let’s also not forget that in criminal hierarchy child killers and abusers are considered the lowest…. Just because someone has committed criminal acts doesn’t mean they will condone crimes against children

 

[tedtink]

No I don't . If you've ever been in the company of someone rambling on a combination of drugs and alcohol and tried to press them further .... nil result .... they've like as not forgotten what thev've said and if pressed turn nasty .
Let's not make a hero out of HB ! He waited 12 years to tell a tale .
You're entitled to your opinion but I think your imagination's running away with you .

You seem to be comparing CB's alleged confession to a past personal experience that you've had with a rambling, drunk, drugged and angry, unresponsive person.

We don't know if CB was under the influence of drugs or angry when he allegedly confessed to HB.

Perhaps not my imagination running away with me after all.

JMO

 

[Zuleika]

Do you not think he may have gone into a little more detail than 'I know what happened to her'?
Do you think if CB had just said that, HB would have just shrugged it off without asking CB to expand on that statement?
You think that HB couldn't just have put that in an email to OG, no, they flew out to Greece, swept the Hotel for bugs, allegedly - Lot more to HB's testimony IMO.

No I don't . If you've ever been in the company of someone rambling on a combination of drugs and alcohol and tried to press them further .... nil result .... they've like as not forgotten what thev've said and if pressed turn nasty .
Let's not make a hero out of HB ! He waited 12 years to tell a tale .
You're entitled to your opinion but I think your imagination's running away with you .

Let’s also not forget that in criminal hierarchy child killers and abusers are considered the lowest…. Just because someone has committed criminal acts doesn’t mean they will condone crimes against children

No I'm not forgetting . However I'm intrigued by HB apparently keeping that so called very important confession by CB to himself . Why ,if as you rightly say such child abusers as CB are the lowest , such a confession could become the source of talk amongst those sharing HB's quarters while he was in prison don't you think ?

 

[Zuleika]

You seem to be comparing CB's alleged confession to a past personal experience that you've had with a rambling, drunk, drugged and angry, unresponsive person.

We don't know if CB was under the influence or angry when he allegedly confessed to HB.

Perhaps not my imagination running away with me after all.

JMO

I've had quite a bit of experience of listening to the ramblings of drunken people ,some very accomplished liars too .However if you choose not to believe CB was drunk or under the influence of drugs can you think of a reason he would confess to that which his friend at that time says he did , possibly the worst thing about yourself you would want anyone to know?
Imagination is funny ,it somehow gathers momentum the more you let it run until it can take a complete hold of you .JMO

 

[tedtink]

HB may end up being the hero
He might fly higher than an eagle
and be the wind beneath our wings

 

[tedtink]

Imagination is funny ,it somehow gathers momentum the more you let it run until it can take a complete hold of you .JMO

I find that intellectual, constructive and strategic imagination is very useful and can help prevent tunnel vision and ignorance.

It seems you see imagination as a rather odd, uncontrollable process.

 

[snowpea666]

If the authorities seized your computer or any one else's for that matter who is interested in this case, what would your response be to said authorities ? after they found all manner of references to the case in the hard drive.

I think it was because he also had 100s of child abuse vids and pics on his computer , I hardly think anyone who is a genuine person interested in sleuthing would have such vile material ? But I see yet again you did not read the posted articles about this man ! IMO maybe you should ??

 

[snowpea666]

Just suppose the call before hand was linked to the disappearance, having snatched the girl he made no contact with any one after ? there would be more likely phone traffic after imo than before the fact.

Not so if he had already left the area.

 

[snowpea666]

Thinking of all the crimes that have been solved by someone just having a feeling about the perp, using gut feelings and a inquisitive imagination ? Sometimes the best detectives just get a hunch and follow through till they gather enough evidence .

 

[Denis R Tandib]

No I don't . If you've ever been in the company of someone rambling on a combination of drugs and alcohol and tried to press them further .... nil result .... they've like as not forgotten what thev've said and if pressed turn nasty .
Let's not make a hero out of HB ! He waited 12 years to tell a tale .
You're entitled to your opinion but I think your imagination's running away with you .
No I'm not forgetting . However I'm intrigued by HB apparently keeping that so called very important confession by CB to himself . Why ,if as you rightly say such child abusers as CB are the lowest , such a confession could become the source of talk amongst those sharing HB's quarters while he was in prison don't you think ?

I’m not sure the bold but is accurate - pretty sure HB reported it to the PJ in 2008, could be wrong but that’s what I recall.

 

[mrjitty]

Unless proven BARD there are doubts. At this stage we don’t know what BKA have so IMO it’s probably best not assume that CB is guilty of the MM crime.

Yes, until HCW puts his case in court instead of the daily mail it's too early to be handing out the brickbats and bouquets.

We've already seen what can happen in this very case when a police force runs to the media claiming to have killer evidence.

 

[Lilly b]

I’m not sure the bold but is accurate - pretty sure HB reported it to the PJ in 2008, could be wrong but that’s what I recall.

I think CB told him in 2008 at the kite festival, and the 2017 confession was someone else, a German in the bar in Germany, and I think HB informed the police in 2017, and they went to Greece to interview him

 

[mrjitty]

In the absence of knowing what the BKA is sitting upon, I personally remain very much on the fence as far as CB's involvement is concerned. That's not me claiming he's innocent or anything or denying his involvement or suggesting I know better than you and others on here, just me waiting for something from the BKA investigation that fits, sits and makes 'historical' sense to me.

The thing I really don't like about the conduct of HCW and the media in this case is the "linking" (whatever that means) of a person with numerous crimes, based on no evidence, or secret evidence and possible indictments in the future.

This seems to be regarded as fine because he is a convicted sex offender, but clearly he cannot be involved in all these crimes and most of the "linking" seems to be wild speculation.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I think CB told him in 2008 at the kite festival, and the 2017 confession was someone else, a German in the bar in Germany, and I think HB informed the police in 2017, and they went to Greece to interview him

I think you need to check that. HB made a statement in 2008 to PT LE. Whether or not it was followed up is another question but it’s definitely been mentioned in MSM that he reported it.

 

[C.greek]

I’m not sure the bold but is accurate - pretty sure HB reported it to the PJ in 2008, could be wrong but that’s what I recall.

I don't recall that but it would be interesting to mention that the reason why HB formally reported it in 2017 was that it was the 10th year anniversary of MM's disappearance and the new appeal for information was played on TV all over Europe.

And since I translated the original Greek police records, just to repeat here that HB was out of prison already when he contacted OG first anonymously after serving 2 years and 7 months. It was a period when many prisoners were released prior to their sentence being fully done to make space in the prisons that were overcrowded.

 

[C.greek]

The thing I really don't like about the conduct of HCW and the media in this case is the "linking" (whatever that means) of a person with numerous crimes, based on no evidence, or secret evidence and possible indictments in the future.

This seems to be regarded as fine because he is a convicted sex offender, but clearly he cannot be involved in all these crimes and most of the "linking" seems to be wild speculation.

Linking to which crimes? We only have DM's rape for which he has been convicted, at least 2 cases of sexually assaulting minors for which he has been convicted, and then the possibility of his involvement in HB's rape and two more cases of sexually assaulting or exposing himself to minors in Portugal. What else is linked to CB at the moment (i am talking about more official statements and not DM)?

 

[mrjitty]

Linking to which crimes? We only have DM's rape for which he has been convicted, at least 2 cases of sexually assaulting minors for which he has been convicted, and then the possibility of his involvement in HB's rape and two more cases of sexually assaulting or exposing himself to minors in Portugal. What else is linked to CB at the moment (i am talking about more official statements and not DM)?

He's been "linked" in the media with numerous unsolved murders, before he has even been charged with one!

I have more time with the HB case, as there it appears to be the victim accusing him.

But while I am for open justice, as the publicity about the DM rape conviction helps other victims like HB come forward, I am less thrilled that she accuses CB in the media.

 

[C.greek]

He's been "linked" in the media with numerous unsolved murders, before he has even been charged with one!

I have more time with the HB case, as there it appears to be the victim accusing him.

But while I am for open justice, as the publicity about the DM rape conviction helps other victims like HB come forward, I am less thrilled that she accuses CB in the media.

I see what you mean. HB was really unhappy with the investigation in Portugal. She gave a very detailed description of what she endured and she even went public in 2015 talking about her rape. Nothing was followed up back then. She was very disillusioned until the rape of DM was made public. As a woman, I really cannot blame her for accusing someone directly even before that person is charged. It is the same with all victims who know or at least think they know the perpetrator. I find it a facet of human nature and I cannot condemn it.

However, the same happened with the mum of the girl who he supposedly sexually attacked on the beach. She recognised him and went to the media. Same with witnesses who had given detailed descriptions (CT comes to mind). I sincerely think it is just natural to want to blame someone specifically and especially when you (think you) have been a victim of that someone.

On your other point, this is mainly a problem of the media and not of the investigating officers. So I take no real issue with that. I am just waiting patiently for charges

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I don't recall that but it would be interesting to mention that the reason why HB formally reported it in 2017 was that it was the 10th year anniversary of MM's disappearance and the new appeal for information was played on TV all over Europe.

And since I translated the original Greek police records, just to repeat here that HB was out of prison already when he contacted OG first anonymously after serving 2 years and 7 months. It was a period when many prisoners were released prior to their sentence being fully done to make space in the prisons that were overcrowded.

The first hit on a google search for HB gives a Sun article which states, “It also revealed how Busching had tried to report his concerns to the Portuguese police but had been fobbed off.”

Below is the article which doesn’t give a date but I’m sure it was 2008.

Witness in new Maddie probe says suspect must 'stay in jail for long time'

ETA: IMO, the fact that HB gave the PJ CB’s name is a real lead and if it wasn’t followed up, it’s a far more unforgivable mistake than not identifying CB in the initial investigation ... as a follow up to our prior posts.