Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #28

[Tekno]

NF ran a kind of "orphanage" for troubled (?), mostly (?) german children around an age that hasn't reached 30 years.

What has been her profession until then?

CB as a "businessman" must have been involved in some way. Obviously he could not run such a business by himself using his name, due to his former known convinction for child abuse.

The "Casa Pia" case became known around 2002, the trial started around 2004. Since when did NF ran this "institution"?

Maybe we should discuss this issue a little bit more?

Those, not apprehended in the Casa Pia case, surely moved on to other crimes, which may include people currently relevant to Madeleine’s disappearance. IMO.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Those, not apprehended in the Casa Pia case, surely moved on to other crimes, which may include people currently relevant to Madeleine’s disappearance. IMO.

Right! What could lead to the "stolen to order" theory again.

Maybe of someone that's known to the area, snatching an english speaking child in portugal, with a "special" background.

She has never ever been a "chance find" imo.

 

[peanutJelly]

Right! What could lead to the "stolen to order" theory again.

Maybe of someone that's known to the area, snatching an english speaking child in portugal, with a "special" background.

She has never ever been a "chance find" imo.

Comes back to the horrible job quote @SuperdadV8 ?

 

[Deleted member 268165]

There is no doubt that CB is a very dangerous convicted offender, and has the profile of a person who could abduct a toddler like Madeleine.

And there could be proof that he was in PdL less than two hours before the crime.

And HCW firmly believes CB killed Madeleine (I also believe she was killed, based only on statistical likelihood, but not 100% sure).

Has HCW more evidence, apart from profile and call? Or HCW says he has more evidence expecting CB confession?

 

[misty48]

There is no doubt that CB is a very dangerous convicted offender, and has the profile of a person who could abduct a toddler like Madeleine.

And there could be proof that he was in PdL less than two hours before the crime.

And HCW firmly believes CB killed Madeleine (I also believe she was killed, based only on statistical likelihood, but not 100% sure).



Has HCW more evidence, apart from profile and call? Or HCW says he has more evidence expecting CB confession?

HCW currently has the metaphorical hitman imprisoned for other crimes & not going anywhere for the foreseeable. IMO BKA are working towards identifying who ordered the metaphorical hit because whoever that is is as guilty as CB of murder. As Amaral said, CB is almost the perfect patsy.

 

[Hygge]

There is no doubt that CB is a very dangerous convicted offender, and has the profile of a person who could abduct a toddler like Madeleine.

And there could be proof that he was in PdL less than two hours before the crime.

And HCW firmly believes CB killed Madeleine (I also believe she was killed, based only on statistical likelihood, but not 100% sure).

Has HCW more evidence, apart from profile and call? Or HCW says he has more evidence expecting CB confession?

HCW said they have evidence that MM is dead but he isn’t allow to share the evidence, so it is obviously more than a call and a profile because that alone wouldn’t proof the girls death.
If CB is only a patsy they would have charged him long ago, why wait to charge a patsy ?? IMO

 

[Lilly b]

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HCW said they have evidence that MM is dead but he isn’t allow to share the evidence, so it is obviously more than a call and a profile because that alone wouldn’t proof the girls death.
If CB is only a patsy they would have charged him long ago, why wait to charge a patsy ?? IMO

Maybe because more people are involved than CB,. So why not try and find out more, as CB is in prison, which allows them more time, and possibly they didn't realize the extent of who else was involved, but they have say opened a bigger can of worms ?

 

[RichardKimble]

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Maybe because more people are involved than CB,. So why not try and find out more, as CB is in prison, which allows them more time, and possibly they didn't realize the extent of who else was involved, but they have say opened a bigger can of worms ?

Neither the BKA or even OG in its prime have mentioned teams, or maybe OG did when going after the locals, but thats about it. If I recall Wolters said CB acted alone.
It must be a well guarded secret , the final resting place of Madeleine that is .

 

[Dlk79]

Has HCW more evidence, apart from profile and call?

Personally, I think it would be naive to believe otherwise. If that were the full extent of all they had, their actions over the last 20 months would be completely unjustified.

The BKA aren't going to just lay out all their evidence for public debate. They've only publicised certain select bits of evidence in order for the appeal to get taken seriously IMO, no more, no less. BKA said right from the start, they did not take the decision to go public "lightly". They would have been more than aware of the ripples this would generate.

CB isn't going anywhere, the BKA have no real time constraints and I think people possibly read too much into the fact there's still no charge 20 months on from the appeal. In theory, they could still find the crucial 683 caller for example, so why rush to charge? In my view, this all seems like part of a long term strategy and any charge over MM would likely come after he's been tried for the other 3 offences in Portugal currently being touted anyway.

I don't believe for one moment though that all they have is a phone ping and a 'profile that fits'. When you consider all the actions the BKA have taken, I think it's important to ask - Why?

Why would the BKA involve themselves in this hot potato of a case, if they had no real evidence other than what we've been told about so far?

Why put themselves in the spotlight of a media frenzy and risk ridicule and libel suits by publicly proclaiming CB's guilt if they had nothing of any real substance to back it up?

Why would they spend over 4 years investigating this lead if all they have got is hearsay and a phone ping which doesn't even place the phone at the crime scene or during the crime window?

Why would they spend all this money and waste their limited resources on a case where the victim isn't German, the crime took place in another country and they have no responsibility to investigate it?

Why wouldn't they just hand over the evidence they've got to PJ and SY and let them deal with it unless they were pretty confident they could get a conviction?

Why have they taken this unprecedented approach of publicly accusing someone of murder without charging them, in a country where privacy laws are extremely strict and further...

...Why would that approach have been sanctioned at a higher level if there wasn't already strong indicative evidence to warrant such a bold action?


Any claims that they are just on some tenuous fishing expedition... or they are fitting up a patsy... or that they have no real evidence... or that they are just plain incompetent..... none of these stand up to any kind of proper logic or scrutiny when considering the above questions.

IMO, they had enough evidence to convince them of CB's guilt but not quite enough to assure a conviction. With no forensics linking him to the crime scene and no body, you can see why they might have a problem in that regard. But they certainly have a lot more than what we know about so far IMO.

And from HCW's comments in October, he says they do "now" have enough to charge CB. I've seen nothing so far to contradict that not being the case and therefore, they must have some pretty strong evidence to back up their claims. JMO

 

[Pixie Child]

Personally, I think it would be naive to believe otherwise. If that were the full extent of all they had, their actions over the last 20 months would be completely unjustified.

The BKA aren't going to just lay out all their evidence for public debate. They've only publicised certain select bits of evidence in order for the appeal to get taken seriously IMO, no more, no less. BKA said right from the start, they did not take the decision to go public "lightly". They would have been more than aware of the ripples this would generate.

CB isn't going anywhere, the BKA have no real time constraints and I think people possibly read too much into the fact there's still no charge 20 months on from the appeal. In theory, they could still find the crucial 683 caller for example, so why rush to charge? In my view, this all seems like part of a long term strategy and any charge over MM would likely come after he's been tried for the other 3 offences in Portugal currently being touted anyway.

I don't believe for one moment though that all they have is a phone ping and a 'profile that fits'. When you consider all the actions the BKA have taken, I think it's important to ask - Why?

Why would the BKA involve themselves in this hot potato of a case, if they had no real evidence other than what we've been told about so far?

Why put themselves in the spotlight of a media frenzy and risk ridicule and libel suits by publicly proclaiming CB's guilt if they had nothing of any real substance to back it up?

Why would they spend over 4 years investigating this lead if all they have got is hearsay and a phone ping which doesn't even place the phone at the crime scene or during the crime window?

Why would they spend all this money and waste their limited resources on a case where the victim isn't German, the crime took place in another country and they have no responsibility to investigate it?

Why wouldn't they just hand over the evidence they've got to PJ and SY and let them deal with it unless they were pretty confident they could get a conviction?

Why have they taken this unprecedented approach of publicly accusing someone of murder without charging them, in a country where privacy laws are extremely strict and further...

...Why would that approach have been sanctioned at a higher level if there wasn't already strong indicative evidence to warrant such a bold action?


Any claims that they are just on some tenuous fishing expedition... or they are fitting up a patsy... or that they have no real evidence... or that they are just plain incompetent..... none of these stand up to any kind of proper logic or scrutiny when considering the above questions.

IMO, they had enough evidence to convince them of CB's guilt but not quite enough to assure a conviction. With no forensics linking him to the crime scene and no body, you can see why they might have a problem in that regard. But they certainly have a lot more than what we know about so far IMO.

And from HCW's comments in October, he says they do "now" have enough to charge CB. I've seen nothing so far to contradict that not being the case and therefore, they must have some pretty strong evidence to back up their claims. JMO

I agree. I also think part of it is about putting CB under pressure to make a confession in prison or in the formal interview.

The formal interview could be something more than a ‘No Comment’ interview if CB knows that accomplices (whether in this matter or others) are cooperating with police.

All the publicity around CB presumably also encourages criminals & convicts to approach police with what they know.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I could imagine, that the public inquiry for CB, togehter with the arrest of another german paedo from Paraguay named Christian Manfred K. in may 2021, was a kind of stab into the wasps nest.....

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"Espiritual" y antivacunas: Así es el alemán detenido

Notebooks, Waffen und Bargeld in Haus des Deutschen beschlagnahmt - Wochenblatt

ETA: Isn't there a german named "FRANKEL" part of the PJ files?

 

[tedtink]

If I recall Wolters said CB acted alone.

That's a possible strategy IF HCW knows that CB didn't act alone though.
Telling the world that CB acted alone might force a confession from CB to point at others who may have been involved and it would certainly give them time to investigate further without others who may be connected to think they were sitting pretty.
We just don't know!

 

[SuperdadV8]

That's a possible strategy IF HCW knows that CB didn't act alone though.
Telling the world that CB acted alone might force a confession from CB to point at others who may have been involved.
We just don't know!

HCW's statement that CB can talk to the prosecuters 24/7 if he feels the need to do and FF's "holy water in hell" reaction, both made very very very early, are a strong clue to this theory imo.

 

[tedtink]

HCW's statement that CB can talk to the prosecuters 24/7 if he feels the need to do and FF's "holy water in hell" reaction, both made very very very early, are a strong clue to this theory imo.

Not forgetting the 'witness protection' that CB mentioned if true.

 

[SuperdadV8]

The "new" guy from Paraguay runs his own website.

According to the content, he left germany and went to portugal in 2013. The history of his gallery begins in 11/2013.

AFAIK this is the time of CB's first subpoena related to the MM case. Could be coincidence, but could be something as well....

 

[SuperdadV8]

Not forgetting the 'witness protection' that CB mentioned if true.

Right. And not to forget the BKA appeal who contains the info, that other people might have knowledge about the wherabout of MM's remains.

There are quite a few clues, that point out to a "party of perps".

 

[Anxala]

Neither the BKA or even OG in its prime have mentioned teams, or maybe OG did when going after the locals, but thats about it. If I recall Wolters said CB acted alone.

He did originally say that but IIRC he, at a later point in the investigation when questioned about this, gave a slightly more hesitant and rather more ambiguous answer.

I remember this because I made ^your above point on an earlier thread and the conversation evolved with a link to a conversation where HCW wasn't quite so clear cut in his 'acted alone, we're not looking for anyone else' response.

So yes, everything still as clear as mud.

 

[C.greek]

My theory is that CB did act alone but shared details of his acts with other child abusers on the internet, both before and after. Notice that the public appeal for information mentions murder on the 3rd of May. Jmo

 

[SuperdadV8]

My theory is that CB did act alone but shared details of his acts with other child abusers on the internet, both before and after. Notice that the public appeal for information mentions murder on the 3rd of May. Jmo

Plenty of risks for a "businessman" keen on making money out of criminal behavior, don't you think?

If it has been to satisfy own secret urges, why then talking about it later and offering material in chats? Simple fantasies or experiences do not grant access to "special communities"...

 

[SuperdadV8]

Plenty of risks for a "businessman" keen on making money out of criminal behavior, don't you think?

If it has been to satisfy own secret urges, why then talking about it later and offering material in chats? Simple fantasies or experiences do not grant access to "special communities"...

Especially for somebody who tries to appear like a kind of "mastermind" to journalists, whilst seeking for attention.

IMO almost everything CB did in his past, present and future is well planned. Even if it didn't work out all the time.

He had been the only one that stood in his way when he botched up. I assume that he just only got into trouble whilst acting drunk....