Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #28

[mrjitty]

Hahaha i just quoted the same before seeing your post

But now we get the 'she was not with him'. Before it was 'she does not remember if she was with him that night'

Shall we stop analysing unsourced quotes in the tabs?

Who are these investigators? What source?

Or is this simply Pisa rewriting last week's nonsense as a new article?

 

[Chiatos]

It's also interesting that the PJ ruled out EM (tractor man) from 5a in 2014, reportedly through DNA.

Absence of EM's DNA in 5a, or anyone else for that matter, doesn't mean evidence of absence - Surely they didn't rule him out him on that alone?

The question is, did the PJ compare EM's DNA to the DNA found in 5a that matched the other crime and rule him out that way?

Also I find it strange that the PJ didn't seem reluctant when it came to passing evidence over to the BKA for DM's rape. Why so reluctant regarding MM, if that is the case?

JMO

According to my source, the DNA I'm talking about has nothing to do with pillows or bedclothes.

Just to elaborate some more on sample 286A/2007-CRL 9A&B;
Sample 286A/2007-CRL 9A&B was collected from a wall (parede) in the appartment.
It contained DNA of an unknown male liked to "another crime".
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA2_1/o_apenso_1_Vol_2_p317.jpg
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA2_1/o_apenso_1_Vol_2_p318.jpg

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Just to elaborate some more on sample 286A/2007-CRL 9A&B;
Sample 286A/2007-CRL 9A&B was collected from a wall (parede) in the appartment.
It contained DNA of an unknown male liked to "another crime".
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA2_1/o_apenso_1_Vol_2_p317.jpg
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA2_1/o_apenso_1_Vol_2_p318.jpg

Where is the original reference to "an unknown male linked to another crime"? Thanks.

 

[C.greek]

Regarding FF:

I found out that he supposedly made a comment (it appears as a quote) on the 'imminent' charge for HB's rape in December 2021 in the Bild:

Sein Verteidiger, der Kieler Staranwalt Friedrich Fülscher, reagierte überrascht auf die womöglich bevorstehende Anklage: „Es ist erstaunlich, dass die Medien wieder mehr wissen wollen als die Verfahrensbeteiligten. Entweder gibt es also ein Leck bei den Ermittlungsbehörden, von dem geneigte Medien profitieren, oder diese Informationen sind das Papier nicht wert, auf dem sie gedruckt sind.“

Maddie-Verdächtiger soll im Fall Hazel Behan angeklagt werden

Of course the above is not like FF's usual exorbitant comments - but still he appears to have somehow commented...

the last we heard directly from FF regarding CB was in June 2021.
Fall Maddie McCann - Anwalt von Christian B. zu RTL: Er ist kein psychopathisches Monster

(I found out that he speaks Greek fluently - perhaps I could write to him in Greek and ask him whether he is still CB's lawyer )

I am increasingly led to believe that CB in this letter to JR refers to his previous lawyer...
Fall Maddie: Neue Anwälte für den Verdächtigen
and I have this theory that the BKA had already approached him before the public appeal, notifying him that he is suspected for the crime and if he/his lawyer had anything to say... (that was before the takeover from FF) ... It is almost certain that FF and HCW speak about the case behind our backs! jmo

 

[Pixie Child]

In terms of DNA generally not accounted for, we heard nothing about touch DNA from the cord or DNA from the toilet.

Nuclear DNA/STR can also be important in mixed DNA samples. I think there was saliva on the pillow but I think they concluded that was MM alone.

However, if it’s that they tested MtDNA samples but didn’t test nuclear DNA, could it be the hair with roots from the bedroom? Does this uploaded extract suggest they nuclear DNA tested hall envelope 7-51 only?

If CB was there why wasn’t his hair?

Wouldn’t MtDNA be enough to ID him?

 

[C.greek]

Where is the original reference to "an unknown male linked to another crime"? Thanks.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 17
286A/2007-CRL 9A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
An incomplete DNA result, apparently originating from a male individual, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs. In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result. Also, this result did not match in any way the profile obtained from swabs 286A/2007 CRL 1A & B.

FSS-GF-680 Emissao 2, Pagina 1:
Various matches were obtained with the results of 286A/2007/CRL9A&B; the majority of them were eliminated based on additional information obtained from the result; however, one remains (namely, bar code 80004801). It has matched with a sample of a spot recovered from a crime and cannot, at this time, be associated with a specific individual. Nevertheless, as that sample was processed with the old SGM system I consider the match to be of negligible significance.

P.J. POLICE FILES: JOHN ROBERT LOWE F.S.S REPORT
The Maddie Case Files-The Forensic Science Service® / Lowe report

 

[Deleted member 268165]

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 17
286A/2007-CRL 9A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
An incomplete DNA result, apparently originating from a male individual, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs. In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result. Also, this result did not match in any way the profile obtained from swabs 286A/2007 CRL 1A & B.

FSS-GF-680 Emissao 2, Pagina 1:
Various matches were obtained with the results of 286A/2007/CRL9A&B; the majority of them were eliminated based on additional information obtained from the result; however, one remains (namely, bar code 80004801). It has matched with a sample of a spot recovered from a crime and cannot, at this time, be associated with a specific individual. Nevertheless, as that sample was processed with the old SGM system I consider the match to be of negligible significance.

P.J. POLICE FILES: JOHN ROBERT LOWE F.S.S REPORT
The Maddie Case Files-The Forensic Science Service® / Lowe report

OK. " ... negligible significance."

 

[C.greek]

OK. " ... negligible significance."

what is though of negligible significance?? the old DNA? or the match because of the way the old DNA from the other crime scene was analysed? or is this because he was guided by GA to look for specific suspects?

 

[mrjitty]

I imagine FF is sad the case hasn't gone to trial so he can bask in fame

Defending a rape case or some child sex abuse is not likely what he had in mind

 

[Dlk79]

what is though of negligible significance?? the old DNA? or the match because of the way the old DNA from the other crime scene was analysed? or is this because he was guided by GA to look for specific suspects?

Agreed. I couldn't understand how he can make that statement. If I'm reading it correctly, he's saying the samples match but due to the old sample only using 6 markers, chances are that they might not match if the old sample was re-tested using the more modern test. But, that's not to say they wouldn't match either. He seems to be basing his comment on statistical assumption, which seems rather odd.

 

[C.greek]

I imagine FF is sad the case hasn't gone to trial so he can bask in fame

Defending a rape case or some child sex abuse is not likely what he had in mind

well... maybe it would be more interesting than his last case...
"A hunter is allowed to kill a wolf if dogs are in concrete danger."
Wolf erschossen – Freispruch für Jäger aus den Niederlanden

 

[mrjitty]

Agreed. I couldn't understand how he can make that statement. If I'm reading it correctly, he's saying the samples match but due to the old sample only using 6 markers, chances are that they might not match if the old sample was re-tested using the more modern test. But, that's not to say they wouldn't match either. He seems to be basing his comment on statistical assumption, which seems rather odd.

My read is he is saying the match is of low statistical significance. In other words, it's not likely to be the same person.

 

[mrjitty]

well... maybe it would be more interesting than his last case...
"A hunter is allowed to kill a wolf if dogs are in concrete danger."
Wolf erschossen – Freispruch für Jäger aus den Niederlanden

Hey - this is a big issue over here!

 

[C.greek]

Hey - this is a big issue over here!

oh, is it?? it doesn't sound very exciting ....

 

[mrjitty]

oh, is it?? it doesn't sound very exciting ....

The farmers get very angry when the wolves attack their cattle/sheep etc

I know the issue has been raging round Potsdam!

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Espacio Exterior: An error by the Portuguese investigators would make Christian Brueckner's conviction for the crime of Madeleine McCann very unlikely

The evidence that was not collected was "cigarette butts".

 

[Dlk79]

My read is he is saying the match is of low statistical significance. In other words, it's not likely to be the same person.

I understand that but he's basing that assumption on random probability. It's like saying you've retrieved a partial phone number from one crime where the known digits match with a full phone number retrieved from another crime. But that it's probably not the same phone because there are so many other phone numbers it could be too. While that's technically correct, asserting that it is of "negligible significance" in an official report (that ultimately guides the direction of the investigation) doesn't seem right to me.

What makes it odder, is that he makes the same comment about another sample (4A&B) which matched 2 other individuals using the old test. In that summary, he recommends that the old samples be re-tested using the more modern technique. But he makes no such recommendation for this other sample even though it's the exact same scenario.

Various matches were obtained with the results of 286A/2007/CRL4A&B; the majority of them were eliminated based on additional information obtained from the result; however, two remain (namely, bar codes 90264515 & 90374723). Those profiles were obtained using the old SGM system which examined only six areas of DNA. For this reason the samples should be upgraded [re-tested] using the new standard system SGMplus. It is likely that those samples would be eliminated after the upgrade.

 

[Tekno]

Espacio Exterior: An error by the Portuguese investigators would make Christian Brueckner's conviction for the crime of Madeleine McCann very unlikely

The evidence that was not collected was "cigarette butts".

So, this would be on the balcony of block 6, overlooking block 5 and 5A?
P.J. POLICE FILES: GRAHAM MCKENZIE

 

[Tekno]

So, this would be on the balcony of block 6, overlooking block 5 and 5A?
P.J. POLICE FILES: GRAHAM MCKENZIE

yellow - block 6 balconies
Red - Madeleine’s window

 

[Deleted member 268165]

So, this would be on the balcony of block 6, overlooking block 5 and 5A?
P.J. POLICE FILES: GRAHAM MCKENZIE

No.