Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #28

[SuperdadV8]

"He is the prosecutor, so he is building the legal case against the suspect."

If HCW is the prosecutor in charge of MM's murder, what role does prosecutor Ute L. is playing? The rape and abuse cases? Do you have deeper knowledge?

 

[C.greek]

RSBM

He is the prosecutor, so he is building the legal case against the suspect.

He is the speaker for the prosecution.

Hans Christian Wolters, der Sprecher der Braunschweiger Staatsanwaltschaft

Pressekontakte | Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig

It's his job to reply to journalists, it's his job to comment when asked about documentaries or whatever. There is even an interview where he says so - roughly I am the speaker for the prosecution, I don't know all the details.

 

[Pixie Child]

How did the appeal establish CB was involved, its not even certain he was in Luz at the time of between roughly 9pm to 10 pm, he might be a vile person but no one can bridge the gap between that and killing Madeleine which Wolters says.

CB bridges the gap with his confession to HB. His Skype chats prove he was fantasizing or contemplating carrying out the capture & murder of a child - a similar act to that that to which he had confessed to HB.

 

[SuperdadV8]

RSBM

He is the prosecutor, so he is building the legal case against the suspect.

I would like to repeat my question @mrjitty !

Do you have any kind of inside view? Any kind of answer is appreciated! Just let us know!

 

[Betty_Boop88]

Since when does spokesperson = lead prosecutor?lol
They are two distinct positions for a reason.

 

[mrjitty]

"He is the prosecutor, so he is building the legal case against the suspect."

If HCW is the prosecutor in charge of MM's murder, what role does prosecutor Ute L. is playing? The rape and abuse cases? Do you have deeper knowledge?

You are correct - i simply looked up his role and assumed he had lead responsibility for the case.

 

[mrjitty]

He is the speaker for the prosecution.

Hans Christian Wolters, der Sprecher der Braunschweiger Staatsanwaltschaft

Pressekontakte | Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig

It's his job to reply to journalists, it's his job to comment when asked about documentaries or whatever. There is even an interview where he says so - roughly I am the speaker for the prosecution, I don't know all the details.

My understanding is that "Erster Staatsanwalt" = Chief (first) Prosecutor

In any event my point was he is not just a PR flak. He is a prosecutor.

But I agree he is unlikely to be lead on the case.

 

[mrjitty]

Since when does spokesperson = lead prosecutor?lol
They are two distinct positions for a reason.

Staatsanwalt means prosecutor in english

 

[RichardKimble]

CB bridges the gap with his confession to HB. His Skype chats prove he was fantasizing or contemplating carrying out the capture & murder of a child - a similar act to that that to which he had confessed to HB.

If it went to court I could agree, but no one is able it seems to be able to say with 100% conviction that CB was in Luz on the night in question .June 2020 Wolters said he had concrete evidence that Madeleine was dead and that the German suspect killed her, tellingly SY have made no such pronouncement, their web site still reads that the PJ have lead, either the MET are very lax on not updating it or it is indeed still the case.

 

[Pixie Child]

If it went to court I could agree, but no one is able it seems to be able to say with 100% conviction that CB was in Luz on the night in question .June 2020 Wolters said he had concrete evidence that Madeleine was dead and that the German suspect killed her, tellingly SY have made no such pronouncement, their web site still reads that the PJ have lead, either the MET are very lax on not updating it or it is indeed still the case.

It will come down to the interplay & conflicts between CB’s alibi, witness evidence and evidence of a telecoms expert. That’s why British Police can’t say - it will rest on the evidence and Court findings.

What did he tell NF about his location during the 7.30-8pm call? Does that match with the phone data? If he lied to NF, why?

If he was with his other German girlfriend, what does she say? Does his phone or hers (texts/pings) show him heading for or at her place that night?

If the German girlfriend can’t vouch for him, then where was he and why did he lie to NF?

BKA may not be able to get him close to the OC but if his alibi doesn’t stand up, that’s a problem for him.

 

[Anxala]

If it went to court I could agree, but no one is able it seems to be able to say with 100% conviction that CB was in Luz on the night in question .June 2020 Wolters said he had concrete evidence that Madeleine was dead and that the German suspect killed her, tellingly SY have made no such pronouncement, their web site still reads that the PJ have lead, either the MET are very lax on not updating it or it is indeed still the case.

I don't think the Met and/or the lack of updates has much relevance as I don't believe the BKA has ever shared anything of significance with them, despite the now thankfully 'retired' Cressida Dick's 'we're all working closely together' assurance updates bullcrap. I think they've been out of the loop for a long time, hence the failure to get with the BKA programme.

I also think they have reasons for not getting with the BKA programme. What I struggle with is whether it's ego-based or something-else based. Something they know that's maybe at odds with the BKA's claims.

Anyway, nothing to be gained really in going back and forth over this, as you say, until the BKA file official charges against CB, and we get to know what the concrete evidence is.

 

[C.greek]

I don't think the Met and/or the lack of updates has much relevance as I don't believe the BKA has ever shared anything of significance with them, despite the now thankfully 'retired' Cressida Dick's 'we're all working closely together' assurance updates bullcrap. I think they've been out of the loop for a long time, hence the failure to get with the BKA programme.

I also think they have reasons for not getting with the BKA programme. What I struggle with is whether it's ego-based or something-else based. Something they know that's maybe at odds with the BKA's claims.

Anyway, nothing to be gained really in going back and forth over this, as you say, until the BKA file official charges against CB, and we get to know what the concrete evidence is.

I have been thinking whether one of the main reasons for the Met's treating it as a missing child enquiry stems from the continuing money (and jobs) being given to support this line of investigation. What money would the OG get if they go with the BKA at this stage?

If they knew something different they would have shared it with the BKA.

Jmo

 

[tedtink]

I also think they have reasons for not getting with the BKA programme. What I struggle with is whether it's ego-based or something-else based. Something they know that's maybe at odds with the BKA's claims.

OG know HB's info, they went to Greece and took his statement.
Details that HB gave OG about MM/CB may not have been enough to convince OG that MM was dead, hence the 'missing person' still.
BKA got the believed 'murdered' info later and probably haven't shared that info/ evidence with OG.
JMO.

 

[SuperdadV8]

OG has been granted money in the past that should be able to pay not more than three people and the paperwork over the years.

To quit OG would mean to surrender without result. In a case that is known worldwide with a kind of media attention. Maybe under political influences?! IMO that's all about it, but we'll see....

Wasn't there a recent report about the maddie fund, that will keep working on if the official investigations would come to an end?

 

[tedtink]

OG has been granted money in the past that should be able to pay not more than three people and the paperwork over the years.

To quit OG would mean to surrender without result. In a case that is known worldwide with a kind of media attention. Maybe under political influences?! IMO that's all about it, but we'll see....

Wasn't there a recent report about the maddie fund, that will keep working on if the official investigations would come to an end?

The accounts were published on 5 Jan this year, probably why the press did a story on it, like they do, every year.
The press has just stated some of the 'general information' about the fund which is available to the public online. P4

05 Jan 2022 Accounts for a small company made up to 31 March 2021

MADELEINE'S FUND: LEAVING NO STONE UNTURNED LIMITED filing history - Find and update company information - GOV.UK

 

[C.greek]

OG know HB's info, they went to Greece and took his statement.
Details that HB gave OG about MM/CB may not have been enough to convince OG that MM was dead, hence the 'missing person' still.
BKA got the believed 'murdered' info later and probably haven't shared that info/ evidence with OG.
JMO.

I also think that the Met and OG passed the hot potato willingly and without further thought to the BKA Jmo

 

[C.greek]

OG has been granted money in the past that should be able to pay not more than three people and the paperwork over the years.

To quit OG would mean to surrender without result. In a case that is known worldwide with a kind of media attention. Maybe under political influences?! IMO that's all about it, but we'll see....

Wasn't there a recent report about the maddie fund, that will keep working on if the official investigations would come to an end?

I think the fund is different from the OG? But in any case, even 3 jobs is something... to show that there are still in the game

 

[tedtink]

I also think that the Met and OG passed the hot potato willingly and without further thought to the BKA Jmo

Wouldn't the BKA have to investigate? CB is a German citizen after all.

 

[C.greek]

Wouldn't the BKA have to investigate? CB is a German citizen after all.

Once that info passed on them yes they had to investigate. Bound by law

 

[C.greek]

Once that info passed on them yes they had to investigate. Bound by law

But because the victim(s) is a British citizen I have the impression they could also take the perpetrator in front of a British court?? I think I read that somewhere...

Eta the least involved appears to be the PJ...