Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #30

[C.greek]

I would say MM will be the final round and the article indicates, the MM case will follow later. But at least we learned over the last days, that so many articles from the last days, weeks or months didn't turn out as trustworthy.

But F.A.Z is a big serious german newspaper. So we'll see...

We also know from CB's letters that he and FF already had access to the files about the abuse of the 10 year old German girl on the beach just a few weeks before MM disappeared. At least they are moving forward! Which can only be a good thing!

 

[SuperdadV8]

We also know from CB's letters that he and FF already had access to the files about the abuse of the 10 year old German girl on the beach just a few weeks before MM disappeared. At least they are moving forward! Which can only be a good thing!

My opinion as well and i would like to see some strategy. Two strings will be brought together, according to a special modus operandi.

String #1:

Proximity to children for sexual pleasure and the special "kick", doing this in public places.

1994 - public playground
2013 - public park
2017 - public playground at a festival
2007 - public beach and holiday club ?

String #2

Entering, raping, torturing, probably taking footage of it.

2005 - Diana M.
2004 - probably Hazel B.
2007 - ?

JMO

 

[frank-cole]

My opinion as well and i would like to see some strategy. Two strings will be brought together, according to a special modus operandi.

String #1:

Proximity to children for sexual pleasure and the special "kick", doing this in public places.

1994 - public playground
2013 - public park
2017 - public playground at a festival
2007 - public beach and holiday club ?

String #2

Entering, raping, torturing, probably taking footage of it.

2005 - Diana M.
2004 - probably Hazel B.
2007 - ?

JMO

Agree. MO will be a factor in showing offender pattern. I thought there 3 or 4 ‘other’ cases & not 5(?)

IMO the charges in all of these cases would amount to life in prison. Jon Clarke mentioned in the MMU podcast that HB’s rape would be a ‘category 1’ offence & a preventative order (something to that affect), which would keep him in for life.

It may come to a point where the BKA can offer CB better prison for a full MM confession & body. If CB knows he is in prison for life, a better prison for a MM confession will be his best option IMO.

I assumed they would question CB about the crimes & then reveal the evidence. I’m confused as to why they’re giving it to his lawyer without seeing what they could get from questioning.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Agree. MO will be a factor in showing offender pattern. I thought there 3 or 4 ‘other’ cases & not 5(?)

IMO the charges in all of these cases would amount to life in prison. Jon Clarke mentioned in the MMU podcast that HB’s rape would be a ‘category 1’ offence & a preventative order (something to that affect), which would keep him in for life.

It may come to a point where the BKA can offer CB better prison for a full MM confession & body. If CB knows he is in prison for life, a better prison for a MM confession will be his best option IMO.

I assumed they would question CB about the crimes & then reveal the evidence. I’m confused as to why they’re giving it to his lawyer without seeing what they could get from questioning.

It's usual in germany to inform the suspect about the intention to charge for a particular crime. The suspect, or his/her solicitor if there is one, get's the possibility to comment on that in a particular timespan. Then the prosecutors decide, if they charge or don't.

Of course, every suspect will get a subpoena, before all of this. If a suspect is being under the support of a solicitor, the solicitor will always give the advice to remain silent, until he has granted access to the files, that build up the case.

So yes, CB should have gotten the "offer" of being interrogated. But FF should have replied, that his client will refer to his right to remain silent, until getting access to the files.

That's it.

 

[Chiatos]

Going back to my post with the description of the pjs: indeed there were buttons in the motif


II - A pyjama camisole, pink in colour with motifs stamped and sewn on to the front (the latter of material, buttons and messages)

I hadn't even realised that there were ornamental buttons in the motif.
I was thinking about the one or two buttons on the rear side, under the neck, in between the shoulders so to speak.
But yes, could a button have been found? Would it fit the non-forensic-evidence-status?
Until forensics can prove its origin?

 

[Anxala]

As SF put it: something belonging to Madeleine.
If true, it could be anything.

Re the DM link above, there's nothing to suggest from HCW that any new evidence he has has any relation to the van search.

So, let's assume it's come from elsewhere, some other strand of the investigation. It seems to have many strands.

So how to explain the headline grabbing 'pyjama fibres', now proven to be, in HCW's words, total nonsense? SF clearly was briefed by someone where 'pyjamas' featured so let's say for the sake of argument that there is a pyjama angle here but could it maybe be a pic/vid that's been unearthed in which a pair of pjs similar to the ones MM was wearing features? That would maybe explain where the 'pyjama' drama originated from and Chinese whispers and SF turned it into the shocking 'pyjama fibres' in the van?

Or maybe the whole pyjama thing is a whole load of nothing?

Just thinking aloud.

 

[RichardKimble]

Re the DM link above, there's nothing to suggest from HCW that any new evidence he has has any relation to the van search.

So, let's assume it's come from elsewhere, some other strand of the investigation. It seems to have many strands.

So how to explain the headline grabbing 'pyjama fibres', now proven to be, in HCW's words, total nonsense? SF clearly was briefed by someone where 'pyjamas' featured so let's say for the sake of argument that there is a pyjama angle here but could it maybe be a pic/vid that's been unearthed in which a pair of pjs similar to the ones MM was wearing features? That would maybe explain where the 'pyjama' drama originated from and Chinese whispers and SF turned it into the shocking 'pyjama fibres' in the van?

Or maybe the whole pyjama thing is a whole load of nothing?

Just thinking aloud.

Where did the fibre angle come from ? look to the Sun .

 

[Anxala]

Where did the fibre angle come from ? look to the Sun .

I know it was The Sun that ran with the pyjama fibres nonsense but SF was clearly hinting at something during the interview when she asked HCW if it was true that the van search had produced evidence of MM's presence. That's what I'm more interested in. What 'rumour' was she referring to? Asking if something is true suggests that she'd been told something that related specifically to the van search.

Basically, I don't think The Sun came up with the 'pyjama fibres' all on its own.

As ever, clear as mud.

 

[Chiatos]

Re the DM link above, there's nothing to suggest from HCW that any new evidence he has has any relation to the van search.

We don't know that for sure.
We know that the word fibres has not been mentioned in the interview.
We also know that after that interview had been aired, HCW dismissed the find of any fibres.
We also know that HCW chose not to admit nor deny that anything had been found in the van.

So:
We know that no fibres have been found in the van.
But we don't know whether something else has been found in the van.
Time will tell.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I hadn't even realised that there were ornamental buttons in the motif.
I was thinking about the one or two buttons on the rear side, under the neck, in between the shoulders so to speak.
But yes, could a button have been found? Would it fit the non-forensic-evidence-status?
Until forensics can prove its origin?

I would say yes, because a button that would fit the same type of clothing like a victim was wearing, should be seen as kind of circumstancial evidence.

But i do not see any clue or confirmed report yet, that something has been found in the campervan at all.

So it's pure speculation right now.

 

[Dlk79]

I don't think SF even mentioned pyjamas or fibres. She talked about something belonging to MM. The article talked about traces of MM. HCW said it was not forensic evidence (which most people associate to mean DNA). Put it all together, the only belongings MM seemingly had other than herself were her pyjamas, and from that it seems the story was born they had possibly found traces of that garment.

SF got caught out like this before and it is hard to believe she would so readily do it again unless she was told something significant/credible. But I think something has possibly been jumbled or lost in communication. SF may come out and clarify exactly what it is she was told. If it was something to do with evidence tying the vehicle to MM, it could be any number of other things. Maybe a cadaver/blood dog alert or a photo that they then followed with up further forensic testing of the van and are waiting the results on.

Less likely, but still possible, is that she does indeed have a source with forensic knowledge so hot of the press that it burnt HCW's face when she asked him about it, because the process in confirming this evidence is still incomplete.

 

[C.greek]

I know it was The Sun that ran with the pyjama fibres nonsense but SF was clearly hinting at something during the interview when she asked HCW if it was true that the van search had produced evidence of MM's presence. That's what I'm more interested in. What 'rumour' was she referring to?

The whole fibres/ pj thing was most possibly lifted from speculations in here. HCW replied to the pj / fibre evidence which of course could be nonsense. SF never qualified the 'item'/something belonging to MM. Her source is most probably a PJ officer and the VW van possibly never left Portugal jmo

 

[RichardKimble]

CB's lawyer says the prosecutors office has told him this.



The prosecutor's office has confirmed that there are no traces of any kind in one of my client's vehicles.

Madeleine McCann: We didn't find clothes fibres, prosecutor says | Daily Mail Online

 

[tedtink]

Maybe SF was just trying her luck.
Maybe she hasn't been told anything at all by a source and just simply asked the question 'is it true you found something belonging to M in the caravan of CB?'
We've speculated in the past the BKA may have a pic, maybe it's just speculation on her part too.

 

[Anxala]

We don't know that for sure.
We know that the word fibres has not been mentioned in the interview.
We also know that after that interview had been aired, HCW dismissed the find of any fibres.
We also know that HCW chose not to admit nor deny that anything had been found in the van.

So:
We know that no fibres have been found in the van.
But we don't know whether something else has been found in the van.
Time will tell.

We don't, for sure, but the one constant we have since June 2020 is that HCW is constantly at the root of all the wild speculation at the heart of this investigation. It's not the tabloids, it's him. He's the one feeding them.

Maybe if he choose his words more carefully, maybe if he briefed only on official channels, maybe if he curbed his need to be all things to all tabloids, he wouldn't have to spend so much time defending himself and his investigation against 'wild and nonsensical' narratives.

 

[C.greek]

We don't, for sure, but the one constant we have since June 2020 is that HCW is constantly at the root of all the wild speculation at the heart of this investigation. It's not the tabloids, it's him. He's the one feeding them.

Maybe if he choose his words more carefully, maybe if he briefed only on official channels, maybe if he curbed his need to be all things to all tabloids, he wouldn't have to spend so much time defending himself and his investigation against 'wild and nonsensical' narratives.

Did you know that the BKA have shared the files with CB and his lawyer about the assault on the beach? No tabloid has said that, and noone has asked HCW about that. Perhaps we should ask ourselves why? Instead of accusing HCW we should first take a good look at the tabloids and their audience. Jmo

 

[Anxala]

Did you know that the BKA have shared the files with CB and his lawyer about the assault on the beach? No tabloid has said that, and noone has asked HCW about that. Perhaps we should ask ourselves why? Instead of accusing HCW we should first take a good look at the tabloids and their audience. Jmo

But HCW is the one feeding the tabloids! It's down to him to direct that attention towards other areas of his and the BKA's investigation into CB.

That's on him, not us.

He has a huge platform. He's not using it for good imo.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

There were many rootless hair in 5A on May 4, 2007.

A new technique could be helpful here.

 

[Anxala]

Maybe SF was just trying her luck.
Maybe she hasn't been told anything at all by a source and just simply asked the question 'is it true you found something belonging to M in the caravan of CB?'
We've speculated in the past the BKA may have a pic, maybe it's just speculation on her part too.

And I would still keep on asking why the chief prosecutor in such a high profile case would agree to be interviewed again and again by someone with SF's history.

 

[tedtink]

And I would still keep on asking why the chief prosecutor in such a high profile case would agree to be interviewed again and again by someone with SF's history.

I actually quite like him.
Thought about starting a club.
'FansChristianWolters' - What do you think?