Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #30

[Dlk79]

It's big news, surely, that all the evidence has finally come together and CB is on the brink of being charged on numerous counts?

What is big news? The charges? It's the same thing that was being reported all over the UK and German Press two months ago.

Madeleine McCann: German investigation could last until next year

Portuguese police tell Christian Brückner, in prison for rape in Germany, he is ‘formal suspect’

www.theguardian.com

22nd April 2022
Germany, unlike Portugal, does not have a statute of limitations for murder, and the state prosecutor in Braunschweig is investigating Brückner for five separate alleged offences.

They include three cases of rape and two cases of child molestation, the most recent being in 2017 where Brückner is alleged to have exposed himself and masturbated in front of a group of children.

Wolters said his office would make an announcement regarding the next step towards a possible prosecution at the end of May, but “the end of our investigations into the McCann case is not yet in sight” and could continue into 2023.

If Brückner were charged over the other alleged offences in Germany, likely to be at the end of the summer or in early autumn, he would need to either personally consent to be trialled in Germany or Portugal or the prosecution would need to reissue extradition papers from Italy, where the suspect was last arrested in September 2018 – a process that could take between two weeks and several months.



Then, at the "end of May", we had this announcement:

Cops close to charging Madeleine McCann No.1 suspect Christian B with sex crimes

Prosecutors handed files to Christian Brueckner's lawyer - the final step under German law before charges are brought. They do not include any evidence relating to Madeleine McCann's disappearance

www.mirror.co.uk

24th May 2020
Prosecutors have moved a step closer to charging Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner with new sex crimes.

They have handed their files to Brueckner’s lawyer, the final step under German law before charges are brought.

The paperwork includes evidence allegedly linking him to the rape of an Irish tour rep and indecent exposures.

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters told the Mirror the files were handed to Brueckner’s lawyer Friedrich Fulscher earlier this week. They do not include any evidence relating to Madeleine’s disappearance from her parents’ holiday flat in Praia da Luz in 2007.

Files handed to Mr Fulscher also include evidence allegedly linking Brueckner to two indecent exposures to children in Portugal. Mr Wolters said: “The defence attorney must be given a reasonable amount of time to work through the files and to discuss them with his client.

“In view of the quite extensive files... Mr Fulscher will need a few weeks.”

Mr Fulscher now has a right of reply before any charges are filed.


The only thing that has really moved on since then is it seems that CB's defence have had their allotted time to view the files and give their right of reply. It looks like CB declined to give his "consent" to be trialled in Germany though and so now we are waiting on Italy to agree to an updated arrest warrant with these 5 additional charges added. Which could take weeks or months to approve according to the original Guardian report.

Prosecutors can't officially announce charges against CB until that's all been worked through with a fine legal tooth comb and signed off by Italy. CB went to the European court of Appeal to challenge the DM conviction on the basis that he didn't believe the authorities executed the EAW in the proper manner the last time. It's a complex legal process and once completed, we'll see the official announcements of the charges and possibly some additional information about what evidence they have. I know that when charges were officially filed in the Manczak murder, HCW released further information about some of the evidence they'd collected but had kept secret from the public up to that point.

This article is just a progress update, the Prosecutors procceding with the charges was confirmed a while ago. Do you have some reason to believe the quotes being attributed to HCW in the article are not "genuine"?

 

[mrjitty]

What is big news? The charges? It's the same thing that was being reported all over the UK and German Press two months ago.

RSBM/BBM

The Olive Press article claimed to be an exclusive update that extradition proceedings had begun.

I think as you point out, there is in fact no news here which is why the german press haven't picked up on his supposed "exclusive"

 

[mrjitty]

I don't understand either. If the HCW quotes in the Olive Press link (and thanks to @Dlk79 for relating them) are genuine, why aren't they already known? Why is there no official evidence of them in the German press? It's big news, surely, that all the evidence has finally come together and CB is on the brink of being charged on numerous counts?

The idea that HCW, chief prosecutor for the BKA, and JC, a random journalist, are quietly working hand in hand is surely ludicrous?

It's seems obvious from the other article @Dlk79 posted that Olive Press has manufactured an "exclusive update" out of old news. I guess the summer silly season has started early over there!

Back to sleep for me!

 

[RichardKimble]

It's seems obvious from the other article @Dlk79 posted that Olive Press has manufactured an "exclusive update" out of old news. I guess the summer silly season has started early over there!

Have to agree, why would extradition be needed again when the trial for the rape of the american woman was ok'd by the European courts after the extradition was for drug offences.

 

[Dlk79]

Have to agree, why would extradition be needed again when the trial for the rape of the american woman was ok'd by the European courts after the extradition was for drug offences.

The European Arrest Warrant is charge-specific. When the Prosecutors wanted to charge CB over the DM rape in 2019, it meant they had to add that charge to the extradition agreement they made with Italy in 2018 and get it re-agreed by them. This is because CB has been locked up in Germany ever since he was last extradited, meaning that unless CB gives his "consent" to be charged for the crime, the authorities need to add the charge to the warrant.

The whole reason for that is to stop countries from abusing the extradition system. It's to stop people from being extradited for one thing and then once they are in custody back in that other country, being charged for something completely different. The extradition agreement is effectively a contract whereby the country surrendering him is only agreeing to it on the basis they will be facing the "specific" charge which has been detailed.

It's the same situation now as in 2019 since CB has not been a free man since he was picked up in Italy. CB declined to give his consent to be charged, so now they have to go back down the Italy route to update the warrant again. The Appeal over the DM rape has nothing to do with it. CB's objection at the Appeal was that he believed the Portuguese (and not Italy) were the ones who needed to sign off the extradition. The Appeal court disagreed, they said it is the last country where he was a free man that has to agree it, the location where the crime took place is not the determining criteria and so the conviction stood.

I don't really get what is so difficult to understand about all this.

 

[RichardKimble]

Its already sorted. August 2020

Christian B: Madeleine McCann suspect's rape appeal 'likely invalid'

A final decision on Christian B's appeal will be made by the European Court of Justice at a later date.

www.bbc.co.uk

The basis for his appeal is that his extradition was not related to the rape case, and authorities in Portugal did not give permission for him to be charged.
The German court handling the appeal sought guidance from the Luxembourg-based European Court of Justice (ECJ), which gave a non-binding opinion that German authorities did not have to get permission from Portugal for the rape charge. Italy agreed he could be tried on the rape charge.
Advocate General Michal Bobek said the appeal did not appear valid because Christian B left Germany voluntarily after his first extradition from Portugal, so Portuguese authorities have no role to play.

Nove 2020.

Christian B: Madeleine McCann suspect's rape appeal rejected

The decision means he will remain in prison beyond January when a sentence for dug offences ends.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Dlk79]

RSBM/BBM

The Olive Press article claimed to be an exclusive update that extradition proceedings had begun.

I think as you point out, there is in fact no news here which is why the german press haven't picked up on his supposed "exclusive"

Yes, the "Exclusive" element to the story is that the extradition proceedings have begun with Italy. <modsnip: Personalizing is not allowed>

As was explained in the links I provided, the extradition part of this process was only ever going to be required and initiated if CB refused to give his consent to be trialled in Germany. At the last update, FF had been given the files and we were still waiting on that decision. This is all part of one legal process that started two months ago

This latest update is just stating that CB has declined to give that permission and now the extradition process has been initiated with Italy as the final step before the Prosecutors can officially file the charges against CB. That's all.

<modsnip>

 

[mrjitty]

Yes, the "Exclusive" element to the story is that the extradition proceedings have begun with Italy. What don't you understand about that?

RSBM

It just seems odd to me there is no mainstream confirmation of this in german media

Perhaps we'll get confirmation in due course

 

[RichardKimble]

Yes, the "Exclusive" element to the story is that the extradition proceedings have begun with Italy. <modsnip: Personalizing is not allowed>

The same paper and author claimed in exclusive in December last year that there were going to be charges in February just gone, remind the reader how that exclusive went.

 

[RichardKimble]

Correct.


Not correct Have a bit of cleaning to do around your gaff, eh?

24th May 2020
Prosecutors have moved a step closer to charging Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner with new sex crimes.


June 4 th 2020, CB was announced to the world.

 

[Betty_Boop88]

24th May 2020
Prosecutors have moved a step closer to charging Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner with new sex crimes.


June 4 th 2020, CB was announced to the world.

Whoosh.

 

[RichardKimble]

Why would the BKA not attach the supposed killing of Madeleine to this supposed extradition after all according to Wolters they have concrete evidence CB killed the girl, or have they, Wolters on camera to the world on CH5 with MWT ,CB cannot be placed in Luz on the night of 3/05/2007 .

 

[Betty_Boop88]

Well, that’s that then, Thimble.
You’ve brought the case against him down single-handed.
Silly BKA, having a phone ping as their only evidence against him.
Silly German judges, allowing a case to be investigated based on only a phone ping.
Silly HCW, telling the whole world what they have on him.

Seufzer.

 

[RichardKimble]

Well, that’s that then, Thimble.
You’ve brought the case against him down single-handed.
Silly BKA, having a phone ping as their only evidence against him.
Silly German judges, allowing a case to be investigated based on only a phone ping.
Silly HCW, telling the whole world what they have on him.

Seufzer.

There is no case to bring down, its like the Ben Needham case, the conclusion foisted upon us with out solid evidence, CB dunnit cause we think so with revealing how.

 

[Betty_Boop88]

There is no case to bring down, its like the Ben Needham case, the conclusion foisted upon us with out solid evidence, CB dunnit cause we think so with revealing how.

Startseite

 

[Tekno]

RSBM

It just seems odd to me there is no mainstream confirmation of this in german media

Perhaps we'll get confirmation in due course

Perhaps it has to do with the fact that mainstream media don’t want to be seen following in the wake of a smaller regional paper. But they will - eventually. IMO

 

[Anxala]

Do you have some reason to believe the quotes being attributed to HCW in the article are not "genuine"?

On the contrary, it's that they're reported only in the Olive Press article and nowhere else. Why would the Olive Press, of all media sources, be getting exclusive quotes from HCW? It just seems so odd to me.

But then, as I've said on numerous occasions in the past, I find so much about both the way HCW operates and the way in which this case has been conducted very odd and unsettling.

 

[SuperdadV8]

On the contrary, it's that they're reported only in the Olive Press article and nowhere else. Why would the Olive Press, of all media sources, be getting exclusive quotes from HCW? It just seems so odd to me.

But then, as I've said on numerous occasions in the past, I find so much about both the way HCW operates and the way in which this case has been conducted very odd and unsettling.

It's very inappropriate to accuse a german prosecutor, quoted in a newspaper article, of any kind of responsibility according to the work of the press IMO.

Without giving evidence, that the prosecutor is involved of the work of the quoted medium. I must admit, this is more odd and unsettling to me!

 

[C.greek]

On the contrary, it's that they're reported only in the Olive Press article and nowhere else. Why would the Olive Press, of all media sources, be getting exclusive quotes from HCW? It just seems so odd to me.

Maybe it seems odd to you because you don't work in such jobs. OP is JC's and even if you or others don't particularly like him (and I would include in the equation MWT) he is one of the journalists closer to the case. Maybe he is more insistent on talking to HCW and it is HCW's job to respond. This is the simplest explanation

 

[Anxala]

Maybe it seems odd to you because you don't work in such jobs. OP is JC's and even if you or others don't particularly like him (and I would include in the equation MWT) he is one of the journalists closer to the case. Maybe he is more insistent on talking to HCW and it is HCW's job to respond. This is the simplest explanation

Let's just agree to disagree.

My opinions of both JC and MWT are really not the issue here. That I don't care for or rate either of them is neither here not there since neither one of them has anything official to do with this investigation.

I'm waiting for HCW to fulfil his promise to charge CB with the murder of MM. That's my sole reason for following this case.

Until then, I'll continue to call out what I see as very peculiar practices.