Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect #31

[Denis R Tandib]

<modsnip: The McCanns are NOT the topic of this thread>

I genuinely hope CB is the culprit and this can be finalised. I am very doubtful there is any evidence to prove it though.

 

[G-Unit]

I think that decision was made even earlier than OG, by people in the Home Office, who were responsible for drawing up the terms of reference,
The fact that OG has special funding, controlled by the Home Office reinforces the impression that OG is very much a political project rather than a straight forward police investigation.

I don't know who decided, but it might emerge one day. All I know is that it wasn't the Portuguese.

 

[Davieson]

I don't know who decided, but it might emerge one day. All I know is that it wasn't the Portuguese.

That could be interesting. Would that information about OG be subject to the normal 30 year rule?
If it was sealed for an extended period beyond that,it would demonstrate something sensitive about the whole set-up.

 

[G-Unit]

"National security" has been quoted as a reason to refuse to answer freedom of information questions, so It wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Davieson]

"National security" has been quoted as a reason to refuse to answer freedom of information questions, so It wouldn't surprise me.

Yes, National security doesn't really dovetail well with the actions of a German paedophile.

 

[Megnut]

CB appears to be a violent, indiscriminating offender. Young, old. He brokers IMO in shock and fear.

I've followed a case where CCTV captured a perp entering a home in which evidence shows a murder occurred. Although the perp left the home and the victim's body did too, CCTV missed it. So technically no proof he left, no proof she left, except that they weren't still there.

I follow another case where an individual faked her own kidnapping, describing in great and accurate detail her place of faked captivity, a crime exposed when LE gathered photographs of an actual room, depicting just what she described, only it was in the home of her ex-boyfriend.

LE doesn't have to show that CB was at the M's villa or how he acquired her to know that, somehow, he came into possession of her, and against her will, if they have a circumstantial case positioning him with her at a point in time. (They don't have to know how he did it for it to be still true that he did.)

And I believe they do.

I believe they have photographic evidence of MM in a state incompatible with survival at a location consistent with CB. Indirect evidence. Or better said, direct evidence, once removed.

I think another crime is key.

The same room, bed, device, for example, linked to a known crime and victim. Perhaps victim recall, perhaps different photographic evidence.

A simple if, then syllogism.

If CB commit a crime with Victim A in Setting B, and CB is in the frame in some fashion, then if there's a photo with Victim C in Setting B, although CB is not in the frame, his presence there can be inferred.

CB may never be charged with the crimes against MM because of the inherent challenges of no body cases and the steep hill of reasonable doubt, but no matter if he's held incarcerated on his other convictions.

I believe that LE -- and MM's dear parents -- are equally heartbroken and confident that CB is responsible for MM's disappearance and the threshold for BARD met. And I believe it's in the form of a photograph, showing inexplicable suffering, and also in the photograph enough accidental background to site it. And while CB himself is not visible in the photograph I believe exists, the background is identical to a known crime/locale.

And IMO if we saw that photograph, we'd understand. And be broken too.

Which is exactly how their most recent statement reads to me

CB is depraved. And he is guilty.

JMO

 

[Davieson]

In that case all that remains to be done is prove it in a court of law.
Piece of cake obviously. What's holding Wolter back?

 

[Anxala]

It will be such a disappointment (to say the very least) for those of us who've followed this case from the off if this BKA investigation ends in the type of mortifyingly excuse-making damp squib mess that HCW is hinting at.

We are now well beyond s*hit or get off the pot time. That HCW's own words may be haunting him and causing him sleepless night is neither here not there at this stage. He told us in no uncertain terms that CB killed MM and that he knows this to be a fact. If he wants to retain one ounce of credibility here, he needs to put on his confident 'if you knew what I know then you too' big boy pants and go ahead and charge CB and trust that the judge (privy to the above) will agree and give the go-ahead to proceed to trial.

This needs to happen so the evidence HCW claims to have finally enters the public domain and can be examined and held up to the light. If it doesn't happen, then there's no useful ongoing conversation to be had and these 31 threads will have been a complete and utter waste of time and energy.

 

[RichardKimble]

CB appears to be a violent, indiscriminating offender. Young, old. He brokers IMO in shock and fear.

I've followed a case where CCTV captured a perp entering a home in which evidence shows a murder occurred. Although the perp left the home and the victim's body did too, CCTV missed it. So technically no proof he left, no proof she left, except that they weren't still there.

I follow another case where an individual faked her own kidnapping, describing in great and accurate detail her place of faked captivity, a crime exposed when LE gathered photographs of an actual room, depicting just what she described, only it was in the home of her ex-boyfriend.

LE doesn't have to show that CB was at the M's villa or how he acquired her to know that, somehow, he came into possession of her, and against her will, if they have a circumstantial case positioning him with her at a point in time. (They don't have to know how he did it for it to be still true that he did.)

And I believe they do.

I believe they have photographic evidence of MM in a state incompatible with survival at a location consistent with CB. Indirect evidence. Or better said, direct evidence, once removed.

I think another crime is key.

The same room, bed, device, for example, linked to a known crime and victim. Perhaps victim recall, perhaps different photographic evidence.

A simple if, then syllogism.

If CB commit a crime with Victim A in Setting B, and CB is in the frame in some fashion, then if there's a photo with Victim C in Setting B, although CB is not in the frame, his presence there can be inferred.

CB may never be charged with the crimes against MM because of the inherent challenges of no body cases and the steep hill of reasonable doubt, but no matter if he's held incarcerated on his other convictions.

I believe that LE -- and MM's dear parents -- are equally heartbroken and confident that CB is responsible for MM's disappearance and the threshold for BARD met. And I believe it's in the form of a photograph, showing inexplicable suffering, and also in the photograph enough accidental background to site it. And while CB himself is not visible in the photograph I believe exists, the background is identical to a known crime/locale.

And IMO if we saw that photograph, we'd understand. And be broken too.

Which is exactly how their most recent statement reads to me

CB is depraved. And he is guilty.

JMO

The most recent statement in regards Madeleine , Wolters said there is not a conclusion in sight.
4/9/2022

He said: 'The investigation into Maddie is still ongoing. A conclusion is not in sight.

'I really can’t say how long the investigation will take. It is also not certain whether an indictment can be made in the end.'

Madeleine McCann suspect 'will face fresh sex assault charges'

Brueckner, 45, was named by police as the prime suspect in the toddler's disappearance in the hopes that it would lead them to evidence that would allow them to formally charge him.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Megnut]

The most recent statement in regards Madeleine , Wolters said there is not a conclusion in sight.
4/9/2022

He said: 'The investigation into Maddie is still ongoing. A conclusion is not in sight.

'I really can’t say how long the investigation will take. It is also not certain whether an indictment can be made in the end.'

Madeleine McCann suspect 'will face fresh sex assault charges'

Brueckner, 45, was named by police as the prime suspect in the toddler's disappearance in the hopes that it would lead them to evidence that would allow them to formally charge him.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I don't disagree.

(My reference was to MM's parents' most recent statement. )

Knowing that a person is responsible/guilty is dofferent than being able to prove it BARD in a court of law.

If may be a hard row to hoe to place him at the villa, even if it's a surety.

It may be hard, as it always is in a no body case, to prove BARD that a victim is dead. There's always the reasonable doubt of Dubai --

And it may be difficult to link Suspect A to Crime scene B and Crime scene B with MM back to CB, especially if Crime B isn't upheld.

None of that IMO makes a suspect less guilty. It may however protect him from prosecution on these crimes.

As in, we know he did it, we just can't prove it to BARD.

JMO

 

[Denis R Tandib]

It will be such a disappointment (to say the very least) for those of us who've followed this case from the off if this BKA investigation ends in the type of mortifyingly excuse-making damp squib mess that HCW is hinting at.

We are now well beyond s*hit or get off the pot time. That HCW's own words may be haunting him and causing him sleepless night is neither here not there at this stage. He told us in no uncertain terms that CB killed MM and that he knows this to be a fact. If he wants to retain one ounce of credibility here, he needs to put on his confident 'if you knew what I know then you too' big boy pants and go ahead and charge CB and trust that the judge (privy to the above) will agree and give the go-ahead to proceed to trial.

This needs to happen so the evidence HCW claims to have finally enters the public domain and can be examined and held up to the light. If it doesn't happen, then there's no useful ongoing conversation to be had and these 31 threads will have been a complete and utter waste of time and energy.

If he doesn’t charge, does that mean his evidence will never be made public? Worst outcome possible IMO.

 

[Lilly b]

In that case all that remains to be done is prove it in a court of law.
Piece of cake obviously. What's holding Wolter back?

Wolters may be holding back,on purpose.
I think it's a photo too, and cb will deffo know what pictures he took and of who and when

 

[onemoremiletogo]

CB appears to be a violent, indiscriminating offender. Young, old. He brokers IMO in shock and fear.

I've followed a case where CCTV captured a perp entering a home in which evidence shows a murder occurred. Although the perp left the home and the victim's body did too, CCTV missed it. So technically no proof he left, no proof she left, except that they weren't still there.

I follow another case where an individual faked her own kidnapping, describing in great and accurate detail her place of faked captivity, a crime exposed when LE gathered photographs of an actual room, depicting just what she described, only it was in the home of her ex-boyfriend.

LE doesn't have to show that CB was at the M's villa or how he acquired her to know that, somehow, he came into possession of her, and against her will, if they have a circumstantial case positioning him with her at a point in time. (They don't have to know how he did it for it to be still true that he did.)

And I believe they do.

I believe they have photographic evidence of MM in a state incompatible with survival at a location consistent with CB. Indirect evidence. Or better said, direct evidence, once removed.

I think another crime is key.

The same room, bed, device, for example, linked to a known crime and victim. Perhaps victim recall, perhaps different photographic evidence.

A simple if, then syllogism.

If CB commit a crime with Victim A in Setting B, and CB is in the frame in some fashion, then if there's a photo with Victim C in Setting B, although CB is not in the frame, his presence there can be inferred.

CB may never be charged with the crimes against MM because of the inherent challenges of no body cases and the steep hill of reasonable doubt, but no matter if he's held incarcerated on his other convictions.

I believe that LE -- and MM's dear parents -- are equally heartbroken and confident that CB is responsible for MM's disappearance and the threshold for BARD met. And I believe it's in the form of a photograph, showing inexplicable suffering, and also in the photograph enough accidental background to site it. And while CB himself is not visible in the photograph I believe exists, the background is identical to a known crime/locale.

And IMO if we saw that photograph, we'd understand. And be broken too.

Which is exactly how their most recent statement reads to me

CB is depraved. And he is guilty.

JMO

I think the same. I "hope" the scenario you describe could be, at least, supported somehow...
And hope that what they have is more than a "simple" collection of autobiographic (real?) texts about his crimes.

 

[mrjitty]

It will be such a disappointment (to say the very least) for those of us who've followed this case from the off if this BKA investigation ends in the type of mortifyingly excuse-making damp squib mess that HCW is hinting at.

We are now well beyond s*hit or get off the pot time. That HCW's own words may be haunting him and causing him sleepless night is neither here not there at this stage. He told us in no uncertain terms that CB killed MM and that he knows this to be a fact. If he wants to retain one ounce of credibility here, he needs to put on his confident 'if you knew what I know then you too' big boy pants and go ahead and charge CB and trust that the judge (privy to the above) will agree and give the go-ahead to proceed to trial.

This needs to happen so the evidence HCW claims to have finally enters the public domain and can be examined and held up to the light. If it doesn't happen, then there's no useful ongoing conversation to be had and these 31 threads will have been a complete and utter waste of time and energy.

My 02c

I think the investigation has been on the rocks for a long time. Of course you can make arguments that the prosecutor doesn't have to hurry - but by the same token, seeing the accused is already in jail, i can't imagine why you'd be proceeding with smaller cases as some supposed 5 dimensional strategy as opposed to just charging a murder if you could. Now HCW has admitted, that he doesn't know if they will ever indict - presumably because his evidence is weak.

My opinion is the Germans never intended to bring a no body case. Rather they have intelligence as to what happened, but they haven't been able to get the physical proof to back it up.

 

[mrjitty]

I think the same. I "hope" the scenario you describe could be, at least, supported somehow...
And hope that what they have is more than a "simple" collection of autobiographic (real?) texts about his crimes.

I think the texts and the witness confessions might be the basis of the case.

Add to that the jag and the phone call and it all seemed to fit ...

 

[RichardKimble]

I think the texts and the witness confessions might be the basis of the case.

Add to that the jag and the phone call and it all seemed to fit ...

But it doesn't though, Wolters admits in May the phone cannot be placed in Luz, he also concedes that any one other than the registered user could be using the phone,ergo if CB was using the phone he cannot be placed in Luz.
Wolters also concedes that there is no link between the cars and Madeleine.

50 minutes in.

No access outside UK

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I think the texts and the witness confessions might be the basis of the case.

Add to that the jag and the phone call and it all seemed to fit ...

Is that enough for a judge to allow the appeal?

And does it satisfy HCW’s comments, particularly “If you knew what we know you would understand there could be no other explanation (Or words to that effect).”

I do agree with you but I feel HCW has played an overly strong hand if that’s all there is.

 

[Davieson]

I think the texts and the witness confessions might be the basis of the case.

Add to that the jag and the phone call and it all seemed to fit ...

I've never understood the supposed significance of the Jaguar car change of ownership.
It might be a strange thing to do, though he did deal in cars, but how does it imply guilt ?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I've never understood the supposed significance of the Jaguar car change of ownership.
It might be a strange thing to do, though he did deal in cars, but how does it imply guilt ?

Could well be coincidence.

It has been sold by HCW as something that implies guilt but it’s a dumb thing to do if the night before you committed a kidnapping and murder. I think the jury is out on how smart CB is so the fact that he changed the registration could imply innocence.

 

[Anxala]

If he doesn’t charge, does that mean his evidence will never be made public? Worst outcome possible IMO.

Agree. The worst. Back to a dismal square one with no resolution in sight and the same old same old conspiracies doing the rounds.

I don't know re the evidence being made public in the absence of a charge but I can't think of a 'platform' that would allow it to be released without it ever having being made official (ie. documented and presented before a judge)? But jmo.

I'm sure someone with legal knowledge on here will have a more informed view on this.