Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect #31

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  • #821
So CB entered or left (carrying MM) through that window? Why didn’t he try the unlocked patio doors or was he worried about the clear view from the Tapas restaurant and the regular checks? He is a rubbish burglar as he stole nothing.
IMO he's an opportunistic burglar.

He stole the most valuable thing.

In through the window, out through the door. (MOO)

If he'd shut that window, MM's absence might have been missed until morning. IMO once he had MM in hand, his mind wasn't on the window.

His deviant, violent, unhuman criminal legacy breaks my heart. MM saw the face of evil.

JMO
 
  • #822
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He has been but refused to say anything without taking a look into the casefiles. The prosecutors just have to admit to that, if the investigation has been declared as finished. So now he has the possibility to take a look into the files, submitted by the court.

2.
It does.

3.
Probably. It depends on the circumstance, if the court will allow a partial presence of the media, or not. But probably it won't.
Sounds a reasonable position to take. Nobody is going to dob themselves in it until they know just what they are facing.
 
  • #823
IMO he's an opportunistic burglar.

He stole the most valuable thing.

In through the window, out through the door. (MOO)

If he'd shut that window, MM's absence might have been missed until morning. IMO once he had MM in hand, his mind wasn't on the window.

His deviant, violent, unhuman criminal legacy breaks my heart. MM saw the face of evil.

JMO
In through the unlocked patio door, out through the window, as the shortest way to the parking lot, makes much more sense to me....
 
  • #824
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He has been but refused to say anything without taking a look into the casefiles. The prosecutors just have to admit to that, if the investigation has been declared as finished. So now he has the possibility to take a look into the files, submitted by the court.

2.
It does.

3.
Probably. It depends on the circumstance, if the court will allow a partial presence of the media, or not. But probably it won't.
Wasn't FF given the files though? I am talking about these 5 crimes CB has been charged with. We know that CB had access to that as he was making fun about his teeth or FF is making a big fuss about the mark on CB's thigh
 
  • #825
Wasn't FF given the files though? I am talking about these 5 crimes CB has been charged with.
Hard to say Greek! Usually the prosecutors have to hand out the files to the suspect or his/her solicitor, if they officially have declared the investigations as finished, except if it would be a jeopardy for other investigations.

Probably they kept the strategy to declare the investigations as finished, AFTER giving CB the opportunity for an interrogation. I must admit, that i don't really know.

In germany, the according law says the following:

§ 147 StPO
Right to inspect files, right of inspection; right of the accused to information

(1) The defense counsel shall be entitled to inspect the files which are available to the court or which would have to be submitted to it if the indictment were filed, and to inspect officially stored evidence.

(2) 1If the conclusion of the investigation has not yet been recorded in the files, the defense counsel may be denied access to the files or individual parts of the files as well as the inspection of officially deposited evidence insofar as this may jeopardize the purpose of the investigation. 2If the requirements of sentence 1 are met and the accused is in pre-trial detention or if such detention has been applied for in the case of provisional arrest, the information essential for assessing the lawfulness of the deprivation of liberty shall be made available to the defense counsel in an appropriate manner; as a rule, inspection of the files shall be granted in this respect.

(3) The defense counsel may not be denied access to the minutes of the questioning of the accused and of such judicial investigative acts at which the defense counsel was or should have been permitted to be present, as well as to the opinions of experts at any stage of the proceedings.

(4) 1The accused who does not have a defense counsel shall be authorized, applying subsections 1 to 3 mutatis mutandis, to inspect the files and to view evidence held in official custody under supervision, insofar as the purpose of the investigation cannot be jeopardized in other criminal proceedings and overriding interests of third parties worthy of protection do not conflict with this. 2If the files are not kept electronically, copies from the files may be made available to him/her in lieu of inspection of the files.

(5) 1The public prosecutor's office shall decide on the granting of inspection of the files in the preparatory proceedings and after the final conclusion of the proceedings, otherwise the chairman of the court dealing with the case shall decide. 2If the public prosecutor's office refuses to allow inspection of the files after it has noted the conclusion of the investigation in the files, if it refuses to allow inspection in accordance with subsection 3 or if the accused is not at liberty, a court decision may be requested by the court having jurisdiction in accordance with section 162. 3 Sections 297 to 300, 302, 306 to 309, 311a and 473a shall apply mutatis mutandis. 4Reasons shall not be given for such decisions insofar as their disclosure might jeopardize the purpose of the investigation.

(6) 1If the reason for refusing access to the files has not previously ceased to exist, the public prosecutor's office shall revoke the order at the latest on completion of the investigation. 2The defense counsel or the accused who does not have a defense counsel shall be notified as soon as the right to inspect files is unrestricted again.
 
  • #826
The only possibilities I can think of are that they are only based on that testimony - but that corroborates to the DM rape (which they could not have known of), or perhaps there were photos in addition to the missing video?

it presumably can't be forensic, (unknown complainant)

I hope we get some charges filed where finally there is info made public ...

In the absence of sight of the video by the investigating team, photos are a possibility. Backed up by the possibly that CB documented his activities in detail in his 'Buch' maybe?

I do hope so, re the evidence finally entering the public domain.
 
  • #827
Going over old ground here, not cushion dog thankfully ;), but at the time I suggested that the object on the yellow fold up stool was a whip, some suggested it was a fire tool. There's a bed/blanket on the floor - We also thought this could be a still taken from a video.
I do think this pic is of significance, especially as it was released at the time of the appeal.
JMO



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CB may well have had/used a whip but that still looks to me like a fire tool (a poker/tongs maybe?) because of the shape of the 'head'. The handle on a whip is generally longer and cylinder shaped for grip and cracking ease.

But jmo and it doesn't really matter anyway since no picture of a whip means nothing in the bigger scheme of things if the charges against him claim to have evidence of his use of a whip to abuse his victims.
 
  • #828
CB may well have had/used a whip but that still looks to me like a fire tool (a poker/tongs maybe?) because of the shape of the 'head'. The handle on a whip is generally longer and cylinder shaped for grip and cracking ease.

But jmo and it doesn't really matter anyway since no picture of a whip means nothing in the bigger scheme of things if the charges against him claim to have evidence of his use of a whip to abuse his victims.

Fire tools are normally covered in black ash, can't see any present on the yellow stool.

I've had many horses and whips, they some in different thicknesses, lengths and styles and the straight ones always have a triangle or rectangular double stitched piece of leather at the end - Shame I couldn't post a pic of one I once had, very similar to the one in the pic.

Of course, you might be right.
 
  • #829
@tedtink - and you might also be right. :) What a charming living room, no? So rustic. So nice to revisit.
 
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Fire tools are normally covered in black ash, can't see any present on the yellow stool.

I've had many horses and whips, they some in different thicknesses, lengths and styles and the straight ones always have a triangle or rectangular double stitched piece of leather at the end - Shame I couldn't post a pic of one I once had, very similar to the one in the pic.

Of course, you might be right.
Compared to these whip handles, it looks very similar. Also, the stick on the yellow chair seems to have had some sort of grip at the end (?)
 

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  • #832
Hard to say Greek! Usually the prosecutors have to hand out the files to the suspect or his/her solicitor, if they officially have declared the investigations as finished, except if it would be a jeopardy for other investigations.

RSBM - maybe they sought only a physical inspection as part of the preliminary investigation - i think that can be ordered by the Court? So presumably they might have had to present some basis for it - likely limited to statement by HB

If they didn't seek an interrogation, that might explain why accused only now gains access to full allegations?
 
  • #833
Compared to these whip handles, it looks very similar. Also, the stick on the yellow chair seems to have had some sort of grip at the end (?)
They're bullwhips - ;)


The end or top of the 'whip' isn't visible in the pic. IMO we can see the bottom end of it - it gets wider towards the top and narrower towards the bottom (the part we can see)

This is a similar shape but much narrower.......... A straight whip.

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  • #834
So....are we talking about possible footage.....? ;)
 
  • #835
Todays statement.(best I could manage)

IMO it certainly seems like they’ll be making a move in the MM case before these 5 cases reach trial.



I will now, with regard to the indictment that circulated yesterday, give you more detailed information in the form of a Please understand that there is no possibility that we will ask or answer questions in any way, we have made an effort to complete yesterday's press release with all the information that we want to publish at the moment in it. Facts and therefore my statement will also be limited to what has in principle already been said since yesterday.

It is known the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig yesterday before the regional court in Braunschweig brought charges against a 45-year-old German for several sexual offenses that he committed between December 28, 2000 and June 11, 2017 in Portugal. the person accused is the person against whom also in connection with the disappearance of the then three-year-old British girl Madeleine Beth McCann on May 3, 2007 from an apartment complex in Praia da Luz on suspicion of murder.

Specifically, the accused is charged with three acts of serious rape and two acts of sexual abuse of In detail, these are the following acts at a point in time that can no longer be determined between December 28, 2000 and April 8, 2016. ( referring to the Italian women) a women 70 to 80 years old woman surprised in her apartment in Portugal in the bedroom there. he is said to have tied up and raped the woman while he himself was masked. He then hit the victim several times with a whip and is said to have recorded the whole act with a video camera. On another unspecified day in the period December 28, 2000 to April 8, 2016, the accused raped an unknown one German speaking girl aged at least 14 naked in his then house in Praia da Luz tied to a wooden pole in the living room. Fluently he hit the victim with a whip and finally forced him to have oral sex. also this deed should have been filmed by the accused. Finally, the accused on 06/16/2004. in Praia da Rocha via a balcony access to the apartment of a then 20-year-old woman from Ireland, the masked accused is said to have woken up the sleeping woman and in front of it with a knife and brutally raped, he then later hit the woman ,bound, gagged and brutally raped again. He then whipped the victim on the back with a whip he had brought with him and forced him to have oral sex again.

This act is also said to have been largely recorded with a video camera that the accused had brought with him. Later in his (I think leotard! ) then fled over the balcony and the victim managed to free himself and crying for help. Finally on April 7th, 2007 around 3:30 p.m. the accused is said to be at a starting section of Salema in the district of Faro in Portugal. a German who was about ten years old there at a rock hole.

He then grabbed the child's wrist and at the same time began to perform masturbation movements on his naked The accused was naked throughout the incident, wearing only shoes. Yes, then the girl prompted to continue looking at his naked penis and the masturbation movements in order to be sexually aroused by it, after he himself ejaculated, he is said to have let go of the child and fled.

After all, the accused is said to be on June 11, 2017 in the early hours of the morning around 2 a.m. during the so-called snail festival in Bartolomeo. a Bartholomew in Portugal made eye contact with an 11-year-old Portuguese girl who was sitting on a swing in a playground, heir then pulled down his trousers and underpants while making eye contact and performed masturbation movements on his bare penis in order to make eye contact with the girl irritate. The girl is then supposed to have run to her father for help and frightened. The accused himself was arrested on the spot by the Portuguese police. on the basis of the indictment, an arrest warrant has also been applied for against the accused because the public prosecutor sees strong suspicion of a crime, we see the suspect fleeing and also the risk of a repeat offence given the investigations themselves are very complex and intensive investigations lasting several years in several European countries, particularly in Portugal in Ireland and Germany, which were carried out under the leadership of the PKA.

The accused himself is a multiple-convicted sex offender who, among other things, has also been convicted of the sexual abuse of children. He is currently serving a seven-year sentence for rape, also committed in Portugal in 2005. the jurisdiction of the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig results from the fact that the accused had his last place of residence here in Braunschweig before his stay abroad.
and the indictment has been taken to the juvenile chamber of the district court because of the victims of some of the accused victims being children and young people and therefore so-called youth protection The investigations into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance are continuing regardless of the indictment due to the ongoing investigations I also ask for your understanding that we are currently not providing any more detailed information on the investigation results to date, we want to investigate the Madeleine McCann case until we have no investigative approaches see more in the cases that have now been indicted, this was the case, so we quickly filed indictments and everyone can be assured that the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office is not trying to unnecessarily prolong the investigations in (McCann case), but we are only pursuing our investigative order and trying to clarify the facts as best we can. In this context, we ask for the help of the population.

To that extent there is a call for witnesses at the Federal Criminal Police Office via the website of the Federal Criminal Police Office and the WWW http://bka.de/public negotiation 7 . Thank you for your attention and maybe see you next time. In this respect, there is an appeal for witnesses at the Federal Criminal Police Office,
 
  • #836
Just re-reading this, might mean nothing but the first charge says 'is said to have recorded......." and "is said to have tied up"......seems like this evidence comes from a witness.

The 2nd charge, the wording seems more definite.....'First he hit".........."The accused also videotaped this act", this seems more concrete IMO (like actual footage evidence or pics) IMO


1. At a point in time that cannot be determined more precisely between December 28, 2000 and April 8, 2006, surprising an unknown woman aged between 70 and 80 in her bedroom in her holiday apartment in Portugal. Then the masked suspect is said to have tied up and raped the victim. He then hit the victim several times with a whip. The accused is said to have recorded the entire event with a video camera.
2. On another day between December 28, 2000 and April 8, 2006, which can no longer be precisely determined, the accused is said to have ***** an unknown, German-speaking girl aged at least 14 naked in the house he lived in in Praia da Luz in Portugal tied to a wooden pole in the living room.
First he hit the naked girl with a whip. The accused is said to have brutally forced the girl to have oral sex. The accused also videotaped this act.
 
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  • #837
Just re-reading this, might mean nothing but the first charge says 'is said to have recorded......." and "is said to have tied up"......seems like this evidence come from a witness.

The 2nd charge, the wording seems more definite.....'First he hit".........."The accused also also videotaped this act", this seems more concrete IMO (like actual footage or pics) IMO


1. At a point in time that cannot be determined more precisely between December 28, 2000 and April 8, 2006, surprising an unknown woman aged between 70 and 80 in her bedroom in her holiday apartment in Portugal. Then the masked suspect is said to have tied up and raped the victim. He then hit the victim several times with a whip. The accused is said to have recorded the entire event with a video camera.
2. On another day between December 28, 2000 and April 8, 2006, which can no longer be precisely determined, the accused is said to have killed an unknown, German-speaking girl aged at least 14 naked in the house he lived in in Praia da Luz in Portugal tied to a wooden pole in the living room.
First he hit the naked girl with a whip. The accused is said to have brutally forced the girl to have oral sex. The accused also videotaped this act.
I think a witness saw the video but the video itself hasn't been recovered.

JMO
 
  • #838
I think a witness saw the video but the video itself hasn't been recovered.

JMO
Do you assume, any prosecutor around the world would charge somebody based on that?
 
  • #839
Do you assume, any prosecutor around the world would charge somebody based on that?

It does seem flimsy without the 2 complainants I agree.

I get the feeling we might not find out the evidential detail of these 3 cases for a long time, if at all.
 
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