Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect #32

[tedtink]

I can't see any reason why the "Italian woman" isn't charged based on the FAZ article as the witness says he saw CB unmasked in the video. Maybe the witness is regarded as less credible by BKA

Maybe CB didn't make a copy of that particular vid and stash it at the box factory?

 

[mrjitty]

Maybe CB didn't make a copy of that particular vid and stash it at the box factory?

Maybe, but seeing this all happened in the early and mid 00s it is somewhat of an assumption he had copies of it all at the box factory in 19

Based on what we know, he lost this video because his 'mates' took it and we don't know what happened after that.

 

[Tekno]

Maybe, but seeing this all happened in the early and mid 00s it is somewhat of an assumption he had copies of it all at the box factory in 19

Based on what we know, he lost this video because his 'mates' took it and we don't know what happened after that.

‘Based on what we know, he lost this video because his 'mates' took it and we don't know what happened after that’.

I think there could be a slight chance that some it had been recovered, since HB left it at Cheyenne’s from Rebel Farm.

 

[tedtink]

‘Based on what we know, he lost this video because his 'mates' took it and we don't know what happened after that’.

I think there could be a slight chance that some it had been recovered, since HB left it at Cheyenne’s from Rebel Farm.

HB and MS say they left the tapes at Rebel Farm,according to JC's book, there were about 20 tapes in total. Cheyenne's not talking to anyone (especially MWT ). Trouble is there's too many stories about what happened to the tapes and camera's, scrapped in the van, burned, sold, left at the farm.
CB must have have got some of his belongings back at some stage?

 

[Anxala]

I can't see any reason why the "Italian woman" isn't charged based on the FAZ article as the witness says he saw CB unmasked in the video. Maybe the witness is regarded as less credible by BKA

Yes, I've now read that article and Witness 2 says CB was unmasked and visible in the 'Italian woman' (attached to beam in his farmhouse) footage. So why no charge in her case? Why has she been excluded from the BKA's charges? Surely the fact that (a) her assault/rape took place in exactly the same identifiable place as the young girl's did and (b) included CB in the footage would be more than damning and conclusive enough to include her in its current charge sheet?

Maybe is it, as you say, that Witness 2, already pretty dubious anyway, just didn't pass the more carefully examined credibility test with the BKA.

 

[tedtink]

Yes, I've now read that article and Witness 2 says CB was unmasked and visible in the 'Italian woman' (attached to beam in his farmhouse) footage. So why no charge in her case? Why has she been excluded from the BKA's charges? Surely the fact that (a) her assault/rape took place in exactly the same identifiable place as the young girl's did and (b) included CB in the footage would be more than damning and conclusive enough to include her in its current charge sheet?

Maybe is it, as you say, that Witness 2, already pretty dubious anyway, just didn't pass the more carefully examined credibility test with the BKA.

If that's the case, why do you think the 'dubious' witness passed the BKA's credibility test and helped convict CB of the DM rape?

 

[tedtink]

From what I remember CB allegedly showed HB footage of him raping women on his mobile phone in a bar in May 17. (Not DM)
Maybe BKA discovered that phone/footage of the 2 rapes ( 70-80 yr lady and young girl)

 

[mrjitty]

If that's the case, why do you think the 'dubious' witness passed the BKA's credibility test and helped convict CB of the DM rape?

It might be a burden of proof thing.


In the DM trial, witness 2s evidence corroborates witness 1 as to the existence of the tapes. His evidence is just one part of a circumstantial mosaic - so only needs to be proof rising to evidential level as to some elements to be proved

In a prosecution of rape of Italian victim, witness 2 might be the only evidence, and thus would need to be accepted to BARD level.

 

[mrjitty]

From what I remember CB allegedly showed HB footage of him raping women on his mobile phone in a bar in May 17. (Not DM)
Maybe BKA discovered that phone/footage of the 2 rapes ( 70-80 yr lady and young girl)

Wouldn't HB have testified to that in the '19 rape trial?

I think a lot of stuff has been said/claimed in various tabloids that is unreliable. For instance it seems crazy HB is giving new interviews ahead of trial

 

[tedtink]

Wouldn't HB have testified to that in the '19 rape trial?

I think a lot of stuff has been said/claimed in various tabloids that is unreliable. For instance it seems crazy HB is giving new interviews ahead of trial

Yes, he'd have testified to that IMO and having seen the tapes in 2006.
Could be that when that info (bar/mobile/video's) was passed to Police they conducted the cold case search and found DM, but we know it wasn't DM in the video's.

My understanding of that isn't based on tabloid claims.

 

[mrjitty]

Yes, he'd have testified to that IMO and having seen the tapes in 2006.
Could be that when that info (bar/mobile/video's) was passed to Police they conducted the cold case search and found DM, but we know it wasn't DM in the video's.

My understanding of that isn't based on tabloid claims.

But it seems he did not testify that in '19

Do you have a source for this?

 

[Lilly b]

From what I remember CB allegedly showed HB footage of him raping women on his mobile phone in a bar in May 17. (Not DM)
Maybe BKA discovered that phone/footage of the 2 rapes ( 70-80 yr lady and young girl)

Are you sure it was hb, was it not someone else ? The DJ guy ?

 

[Sharkbite]

Are you sure it was hb, was it not someone else ? The DJ guy ?

I don't think any video footage was shown when CB apparently confessed to DR in a Lagos bar in 2017

"He became a suspect in the Maddie McCann case in 2017, when he confessed to D.R. (full name in article), a Portuguese friend, on the 10th anniversary of Maddie's disappearance, that he knew everything that had happened. R. immediately informed the police, but there was a lack of evidence to arrest him. The British metropolitan police were informed and an investigation began with the German and Portuguese police, who had initially investigated and ruled out Bruckner among 600 'persons of interest'"

Article no longer exists at the link, but I believe it was also reported in UK press
El estremecedor relato del pedófilo alemán acusado del secuestro de Maddie

*DR was in Lagos on the 7th May 17, he could have been in Germany 2 days earlier on the 10th anniversary, but imo the "confession" took place in Lagos

ETA

It seems according to this article that CB did indeed show a video to DR in 2017

"It was when the German was in a bar with his Portuguese friend Diego Rivera and they saw a note on television about the tenth anniversary of Maddie's disappearance. Brückner told Rivera that he knew everything that had happened in the McCann case. And then he showed the video of the rape of the American retiree."

A 13 años de la desaparición de Madeleine McCann, cómo los investigadores llegaron al principal sospechoso

Una conversación con un amigo en el bar y el video de la violación de una mujer de 72 años fueron las claves que dirigieron el foco de la investigación contra el alemán Christian Brückner.

www.clarin.com

 

[mrjitty]

Thanks for tracking that down @Sharkbite

What is odd, is none of this video in a bar stuff was presented at the '19 trial as far as I am aware.

So maybe they since found the video, but I find it odd that they wouldn't have produced this witness to the rape video in the trial for the American victim back in '19

 

[tedtink]

I don't think any video footage was shown when CB apparently confessed to DR in a Lagos bar in 2017

"He became a suspect in the Maddie McCann case in 2017, when he confessed to D.R. (full name in article), a Portuguese friend, on the 10th anniversary of Maddie's disappearance, that he knew everything that had happened. R. immediately informed the police, but there was a lack of evidence to arrest him. The British metropolitan police were informed and an investigation began with the German and Portuguese police, who had initially investigated and ruled out Bruckner among 600 'persons of interest'"

Article no longer exists at the link, but I believe it was also reported in UK press
El estremecedor relato del pedófilo alemán acusado del secuestro de Maddie

*DR was in Lagos on the 7th May 17, he could have been in Germany 2 days earlier on the 10th anniversary, but imo the "confession" took place in Lagos

ETA

It seems according to this article that CB did indeed show a video to DR in 2017

"It was when the German was in a bar with his Portuguese friend Diego Rivera and they saw a note on television about the tenth anniversary of Maddie's disappearance. Brückner told Rivera that he knew everything that had happened in the McCann case. And then he showed the video of the rape of the American retiree."

A 13 años de la desaparición de Madeleine McCann, cómo los investigadores llegaron al principal sospechoso

Una conversación con un amigo en el bar y el video de la violación de una mujer de 72 años fueron las claves que dirigieron el foco de la investigación contra el alemán Christian Brückner.

www.clarin.com

Thanks for this, it contradicts what JC suggests happened, in his book (MSFM Page 264).
Who knows who really saw what, where and when.

 

[Anxala]

Thanks for tracking that down @Sharkbite

What is odd, is none of this video in a bar stuff was presented at the '19 trial as far as I am aware.

So maybe they since found the video, but I find it odd that they wouldn't have produced this witness to the rape video in the trial for the American victim back in '19

We're never going to be able to make sense of any of this until/if we get to see/know the evidence the BKA has in relation to the current charges against CB and what part all the 'witnesses' played in them.

 

[C.greek]

We're never going to be able to make sense of any of this until/if we get to see/know the evidence the BKA has in relation to the current charges against CB and what part all the 'witnesses' played in them.

Since we did not have that in DM's case, I doubt we will get to see such level of detail now..

 

[mrjitty]

Thanks for this, it contradicts what JC suggests happened, in his book (MSFM Page 264).
Who knows who really saw what, where and when.

What does he say happened?

 

[tedtink]

Wow. I remember that case.

Shows how hard it is to connect sex offenders to specific crimes with nothing to go on.

My feeling on the tip is less sinister - maybe a neighbour might have put 2+2 together? House empty for so long, on the potential route ... dodgy maintenance guy .... could she be hidden there? Perhaps they were waiting for the owner to return, then when the owner never returned ....

The owner hadn't been there, she lives in Kuwait.
There was no 'tip off' - Someone had been there to do some work on the property on behalf of the owner and they discovered LC's remains and belongings either in the loft or under the upstairs floorboards.
The perp ( who had working in the house in 2019) is dead, committed suicide two months after LC was killed.

 

[mrjitty]

The owner hadn't been there, she lives in Kuwait.
There was no 'tip off' - Someone had been there to do some work on the property on behalf of the owner and they discovered LC's remains and belongings either in the loft or under the upstairs floorboards.
The perp ( who had working in the house in 2019) is dead, committed suicide two months after LC was killed.

Yes - i see that now. It seems like agents or workers were in the house and discovered something

The earlier reporting just mentioned a 'call from the public about the house'