Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #33

[UK Girl]

I think JC has a direct line to Wolters.

Probably Sandra F too. It is weird he tells them more than he does the local press.

 

[Malleux]

The BKA would have been called in by the Braunschweig prosecutors because of the international nature of the investigation. The fact that the investigations in Germany crossed state boundaries meant that Lower Saxony police couldn't investigate all the sites. I seem to remember Wolters telling someone that he didn't have the material found at the box factory as it was with the local police (although I can't find it just now). There are different layers and responsibilities in the German police, so I tend to refer to those in overall charge. That's the Braunschweig prosecutor's office. They are the ones who instigated and collated the evidence and made charging decisions.

That's not quite correct. The BKA started the investigation into CB in 2017, the Braunschweig prosecutors didn't become involved until 2018 when they then took over the lead.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

One wonders whether the strategy of putting information out there and then waiting until the required evidence comes in will end up being the only approach that could lead to ultimately a conviction [...] From the prosecutions perspective it could all be quite simple. Prosecute the 5 cases, get some convictions and use those convictions to further strengthen their argument in the MM case. [...] Just MO.

IMO, prosecute the 5 cases, get some convictions and then offer a conviction reduction if CB confess for Madeleine crime. In this case, BKA or HCW has no enough evidence now. And, of course, the confession will have to match all circumstances of the case to be reliable.

 

[Tekno]

Probably Sandra F too. It is weird he tells them more than he does the local press.

Yes, perhaps Wolters has better rapport with some journalists.

 

[Davieson]

IMO, prosecute the 5 cases, get some convictions and then offer a conviction reduction if CB confess for Madeleine crime. In this case, BKA or HCW has no enough evidence now. And, of course, the confession will have to match all circumstances of the case to be reliable.

Has CB ever admitted to any crime.? I doubt he'll be making any confession, even if guilty.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Has CB ever admitted to any crime.? I doubt he'll be making any confession, even if guilty.

I don't know if the prosecutor can offer a global reduction in the years of sentences if CB confesses to the crime of MM. Could it be a possibility?

 

[frank-cole]

Has CB ever admitted to any crime.? I doubt he'll be making any confession, even if guilty

 

[Davieson]

I don't know if the prosecutor can offer a global reduction in the years of sentences if CB confesses to the crime of MM. Could it be a possibility?

Surely not if he's already been sentenced for those offences.

 

[frank-cole]

Other than his confession to a proven credible witness the public haven’t been made aware of any further admissions he may have made. We’ve seen the un-redacted part of 1 of his Skype messages, there may be others like it.
IMO they will certainly get a conviction. To your point, the only circumstance I can foresee CB confessing is if he receives something that’ll benefit him by doing so. This can only happen when he’s completely out of options & realises that no matter how many letters he writes or pictures he draws, there’s no changing anything. 3 of the crimes he’ll be up for will likely be category 1 offences which would render a life sentence. This may be the opportunity to strike a deal, confession + location of the remains for a better prison. This in theory could happened before or after a MM case conviction, most likely before IMO. Who knows whether they’ll make this move, they may just get a conviction & move on. But IMO it’s the best chance of finding MM’s remains

 

[Lyall0814]

‘Christian B murdered Madeleine McCann’ - HCW

‘We are sure Christian B murder MM because of the evidence we have’ - HCW

‘We have facts not mere indications’ -HCW

‘There are so many facts’ HCW

‘it was completely clear this was a homicide’ HCW

‘We have enough evidence to say that our suspect killed MM’

‘We have concrete evidence’ - HCW

In summary, the prosecutor, on behalf of his team & the up to 100 BKA investigators, is clearly stating CB killed MM & that’s because they have evidence of murder. If they didn’t have it (evidence of murder) prosecutors wouldn’t be involved & they certainly wouldn’t be telling the press.

IMO it’s all about clearing any opportunity for the defence to sow doubt.

He's always good for a headline, you've got to give him that. Old time prosecutors would do their best to get circumstantial cases into court asap. If they could do it they would have done it already (imo)

 

[UK Girl]

He's always good for a headline, you've got to give him that. Old time prosecutors would do their best to get circumstantial cases into court asap. If they could do it they would have done it already (imo)

thats my point really where hes concerned. He says a lot and yet so far nothing really seems to have happened in any of the cases.

 

[frank-cole]

In which case why hasn't he been charged. This is by far the most serious crime and one might expect it to take precedence over the others.

IMO the most serious offence should always be prosecuted last, especially when all of the crimes are linked & convictions in the lesser offences (they’re all brutal but in this case they’re less serious than murder) would help further strengthen the capital offence (murder) case.

Cracking multiple failed PJ cold cases is clearly very time consuming & not straightforward but moving through them in the way they’re trying to is IMO the best way to pave the way for the MM investigation, arrest, conviction

 

[Anxala]

Not true , HCW has said he has material evidence and circumstantial
as well and is 100% sure CB murdered MM this has been known to the public since June 2020 .

Well yes, he's certainly said all that, ad nauseum and wholly irresponsibly so imo, but here we are, almost 3 years later, still asking the exact same questions we were asking countless threads and years ago.

Let's not forget, this is the man who, despite being 100% sure CB abducted and murdered MM, was, less than a year ago, pitifully reduced to hoping a judge might see CB in a more 'favourable' (aka guity) light if HCW managed to successfully get convictions on these other unrelated charges against him.

And now he's back to absolute scratch with those same cases!

An absolutely mortifying state of affairs, after all his big 'if you knew what I know' talk.

 

[UK Girl]

Well yes, he's certainly said all that, ad nauseum and wholly irresponsibly so imo, but here we are, almost 3 years later, still asking the exact same questions we were asking countless threads and years ago.

Let's not forget, this is the man who, despite being 100% sure CB abducted and murdered MM, was, less than a year ago, pitifully reduced to hoping a judge might see CB in a more 'favourable' (aka guity) light if HCW managed to successfully get convictions on these other unrelated charges against him. And that hasn't happened. And now he's back to absolute scratch with those cases!

An absolutely mortifying state of affairs, after all his big 'if you knew what I know' talk.

Wasnt it only a few months ago they was offering a reward for information? which is odd if they really have all the evidence that they claim to have.

 

[Davieson]

Well yes, he's certainly said all that, ad nauseum and wholly irresponsibly so imo, but here we are, almost 3 years later, still asking the exact same questions we were asking countless threads and years ago.

Let's not forget, this is the man who, despite being 100% sure CB abducted and murdered MM, was, less than a year ago, pitifully reduced to hoping a judge might see CB in a more 'favourable' (aka guity) light if HCW managed to successfully get convictions on these other unrelated charges against him.

And now he's back to absolute scratch with those same cases!

An absolutely mortifying state of affairs, after all his big 'if you knew what I know' talk.

Wouldn't be much of a prosecutor if he didn't state that they had all the evidence and he was 100% convinced of the man's guilt.

I know things are done differently in Germany, but it seems strange to me that a prosecutor speaks openly to media about the case. Can't imagine the CPS doing so.

 

[Anxala]

Wasnt it only a few months ago they was offering a reward for information? which is odd if they really have all the evidence that they claim to have.

Yes, IIRC, they put out a new plea for possible sightings of CB in the PdL area in and around that particular week or so, in the hope that someone somewhere on hol in PdL at the time might have inadvertantly captured his image on camera and that he might be lurking (suspiciously, of course) in the background of their holiday pics.

 

[UK Girl]

Wouldn't be much of a prosecutor if he didn't state that they had all the evidence and he was 100% convinced of the man's guilt.

I know things are done differently in Germany, but it seems strange to me that a prosecutor speaks openly to media about the case. Can't imagine the CPS doing so.

It really is different here and I dont really understand to be honest. Yes I get there are multiple charges but here when people are arrested for murder or multiple rape charges they are charged pretty quickly and normally trial completed within a year...not this ever ending saga we are seeing here.

 

[Davieson]

It really is different here and I dont really understand to be honest. Yes I get there are multiple charges but here when people are arrested for murder or multiple rape charges they are charged pretty quickly and normally trial completed within a year...not this ever ending saga we are seeing here.

I suspect the German system is superior to that of UK in that trained judges question and evaluate the evidence, rather than relying on untrained members of the public, some of whom will be of dubious intelligence, to do so

 

[Niner]

Why were charges dropped?

They've not beed dropped as such. CB's defence have argued a different regional authority should have filed the charges based on the claim he was living elsewhere, not in Braunschweig. At the moment, the lower regional court has agreed with the defence, so now it's back on the Braunschweig prosecutors to either appeal that decision or hand the cases over to another authority to charge him.

Per the article in the last thread:

4/22/23 Update: Despite global headlines to the contrary yesterday, a date had not yet been set for a hearing of the five charges that were levelled at the convicted pedophile, 46, in October last year. The chief prosecutor in the case has told the Olive Press it is 'merely an issue of jurisdiction' and the trial will 'certainly' still go ahead. Hans Christian Wolters confirmed there was 'no reason to speculate' and 'nothing has changed' after Braunschweig Landgericht, or the city's lower court, provisionally passed the case over to the region of Magdeburg.

 

[mrjitty]

I think JC has a direct line to Wolters.

perhaps german media just have so little interest they didn't make an effort to get more quotes

FF obviously briefed Bild. The other german papers seem to have run with the Bild story.