Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #33

[mrjitty]

Per the article in the last thread:

4/22/23 Update: Despite global headlines to the contrary yesterday, a date had not yet been set for a hearing of the five charges that were levelled at the convicted pedophile, 46, in October last year. The chief prosecutor in the case has told the Olive Press it is 'merely an issue of jurisdiction' and the trial will 'certainly' still go ahead. Hans Christian Wolters confirmed there was 'no reason to speculate' and 'nothing has changed' after Braunschweig Landgericht, or the city's lower court, provisionally passed the case over to the region of Magdeburg.

LOL

'nothing has changed'

This is obvious nonsense from HCW. It's obviously not great for the prosecution.

Oh well - lets see what happens in the appeal.

 

[frank-cole]

IMO, prosecute the 5 cases, get some convictions and then offer a conviction reduction if CB confess for Madeleine crime. In this case, BKA or HCW has no enough evidence now. And, of course, the confession will have to match all circumstances of the case to be reliable.

I agree in part. It actually fits with the profile you did years before CB was identified. You wrote something akin to - the suspect will only confess if he can benefit from doing so -. I think that’ll be a strategy the prosecution could use . A deal for a better prison. Irrespective of that potential conclusion, IMO they certainly have evidence of murder. If they didn’t the prosecutors wouldn’t be involved & they wouldn’t have been clear about having material evidence. In short -IMO they don’t need a confession to convict him but they may need it to locate MM’s remains

 

[Lyall0814]

"In the fierce popular indignation which is excited by a sanguinary crime, there is a tendency, in which judges and juries share, to brush aside or treat as irrelevant those doubts the benefit of which is supposed to be one of the privileges of the accused"

Not my words, Frank, the words of Arthur Conan Doyle. Very relevant words and thought imo

 

[Deleted member 268165]

I agree in part. It actually fits with the profile you did years before CB was identified. You wrote something akin to - the suspect will only confess if he can benefit from doing so -. I think that’ll be a strategy the prosecution could use . A deal for a better prison. Irrespective of that potential conclusion, IMO they certainly have evidence of murder. If they didn’t the prosecutors wouldn’t be involved & they wouldn’t have been clear about having material evidence. In short -IMO they don’t need a confession to convict him but they may need it to locate MM’s remains

Thank you frank-cole.
I always said a psychological or criminological profile is ONLY a tip for the investigation team, but NOT a proof or evidence of anything.
Having the call in an alleged mobile phone which situates the phone 2 km, 1 km, 500 m, or even 50 m, from 5A, between 1 and 2 hours before the abduction, is also a tip for the investigation team, but NOT a proof or evidence of anything.
The same for the statements of the two offenders close to CB.
My question is: Has HCW anything more?
I think yes, but do not know what.
Because if he has not anything more, he will be considered a clumsy, or even a man who had a poor performance as prosecutor for publicly accuse a man without proof.

 

[G-Unit]

Thank you frank-cole.
I always said a psychological or criminological profile is ONLY a tip for the investigation team, but NOT a proof or evidence of anything.
Having the call in an alleged mobile phone which situates the phone 2 km, 1 km, 500 m, or even 50 m, from 5A, between 1 and 2 hours before the abduction, is also a tip for the investigation team, but NOT a proof or evidence of anything.
The same for the statements of the two offenders close to CB.
My question is: Has HCW anything more?
I think yes, but do not know what.
Because if he has not anything more, he will be considered a clumsy, or even a man who had a poor performance as prosecutor for publicly accuse a man without proof.

Whatever his suspicions I think he definitely said more than was acceptable.

 

[frank-cole]

Thank you frank-cole.
I always said a psychological or criminological profile is ONLY a tip for the investigation team, but NOT a proof or evidence of anything.
Having the call in an alleged mobile phone which situates the phone 2 km, 1 km, 500 m, or even 50 m, from 5A, between 1 and 2 hours before the abduction, is also a tip for the investigation team, but NOT a proof or evidence of anything.
The same for the statements of the two offenders close to CB.
My question is: Has HCW anything more?
I think yes, but do not know what.
Because if he has not anything more, he will be considered a clumsy, or even a man who had a poor performance as prosecutor for publicly accuse a man without proof.

Thank you. I think there must be something concrete behind it all. If there wasn’t they wouldn’t be involved. IMO they have evidence of murder but they needed to close off any areas where the defence could sow doubt. I think for the overwhelming majority when the evidence is released they’ll accept that the prosecutors have been right. I think ‘prove he took that photo’, ‘prove he used that phone’… ect. Are all potential counter arguments they’ve slowly slowly worked to find solid answers for.

regarsjnf HCW & the statements, at first I thought it was a good strategy, very clever. But as time moves on it doesn’t seem as if broadcasting abouthaving a concrete case has been more of a hinderance. Part of that IMO js because they have a different system to other western nation. FF IMO won’t be affective in a court room. FF is now things down by being very engrossed in technicalities. I just can’t see him constructing a string case. Bud my NO

 

[UK Girl]

Thank you. I think there must be something concrete behind it all. If there wasn’t they wouldn’t be involved. IMO they have evidence of murder but they needed to close off any areas where the defence could sow doubt. I think for the overwhelming majority when the evidence is released they’ll accept that the prosecutors have been right. I think ‘prove he took that photo’, ‘prove he used that phone’… ect. Are all potential counter arguments they’ve slowly slowly worked to find solid answers for.

regarsjnf HCW & the statements, at first I thought it was a good strategy, very clever. But as time moves on it doesn’t seem as if broadcasting abouthaving a concrete case has been more of a hinderance. Part of that IMO js because they have a different system to other western nation. FF IMO won’t be affective in a court room. FF is now things down by being very engrossed in technicalities. I just can’t see him constructing a string case. Bud my NO

I thought he seemed really positive for a long time but for some time now to me he hasnt seemed so convincing. I just hope that I am wrong.

 

[Lilly b]

Thank you frank-cole.
I always said a psychological or criminological profile is ONLY a tip for the investigation team, but NOT a proof or evidence of anything.
Having the call in an alleged mobile phone which situates the phone 2 km, 1 km, 500 m, or even 50 m, from 5A, between 1 and 2 hours before the abduction, is also a tip for the investigation team, but NOT a proof or evidence of anything.
The same for the statements of the two offenders close to CB.
My question is: Has HCW anything more?
I think yes, but do not know what.
Because if he has not anything more, he will be considered a clumsy, or even a man who had a poor performance as prosecutor for publicly accuse a man without proof.

Could the confessions to several people we are aware of be part of it , as well as the stuff we don't know

 

[G-Unit]

Thank you. I think there must be something concrete behind it all. If there wasn’t they wouldn’t be involved. IMO they have evidence of murder but they needed to close off any areas where the defence could sow doubt. I think for the overwhelming majority when the evidence is released they’ll accept that the prosecutors have been right. I think ‘prove he took that photo’, ‘prove he used that phone’… ect. Are all potential counter arguments they’ve slowly slowly worked to find solid answers for.

regarsjnf HCW & the statements, at first I thought it was a good strategy, very clever. But as time moves on it doesn’t seem as if broadcasting abouthaving a concrete case has been more of a hinderance. Part of that IMO js because they have a different system to other western nation. FF IMO won’t be affective in a court room. FF is now things down by being very engrossed in technicalities. I just can’t see him constructing a string case. Bud my NO

Prejudicial comments made by a prosecutor themselves raise an issue under Article 6 § 2 irrespective of other considerations, and H W Wolters crossed that line when he told the world his suspect was guilty of murder in my opinion. I notice he went very quiet and hasn't made such comments for a while, but it certainly made some members of the public believe the suspect is guilty, even though he hasn't been tried.

 

[JB1510]

Well yes, he's certainly said all that, ad nauseum and wholly irresponsibly so imo, but here we are, almost 3 years later, still asking the exact same questions we were asking countless threads and years ago.

Let's not forget, this is the man who, despite being 100% sure CB abducted and murdered MM, was, less than a year ago, pitifully reduced to hoping a judge might see CB in a more 'favourable' (aka guity) light if HCW managed to successfully get convictions on these other unrelated charges against him.

And now he's back to absolute scratch with those same cases!

An absolutely mortifying state of affairs, after all his big 'if you knew what I know' talk.

I know how frustrating it is but this latest state of affairs is down to delaying tactics by FF . HCW has been ready to go on these 5 charges since Oct 22 at the latest.Regarding the position of the judge viewing CB in a different light should CB be convicted of the other crimes , I believe there are strong parallels that connect those to that of MM . IF they do have video evidence of MM post the 3rd of May where she is visible but the perpetrator isn't that would be hard to prove it was CB . However if the video filmed bears strong
connections /mo / background detail to any other video footage the BKA may have it would be deemed strong evidence to get a conviction imo . Remember CB has had since 2013 to cover his tracks and tried to not to leave any forensic evidence behind in both the 2004/ 5 assaults on HB and DM . Personally I agree with HCW tactics he's given nothing away but his statements have been very damning . If I had seen a video of poor MM being abused on film and seeing a connection to previous assaults /mo I would come to the same conclusion then there is all the circumstantial evidence . The point of the appeal I believe was to see if any more victims would come forward and report similar details of the assaults .In terms of pictures from holidaymakers in PDL this could be helpful in a couple of ways, place CB in PDL around the time MM went missing and/or place in particular clothing that tallies up with what the perpetrator maybe wearing in the assault . JMHO

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Prejudicial comments made by a prosecutor themselves raise an issue under Article 6 § 2 irrespective of other considerations, and H W Wolters crossed that line when he told the world his suspect was guilty of murder in my opinion. I notice he went very quiet and hasn't made such comments for a while, but it certainly made some members of the public believe the suspect is guilty, even though he hasn't been tried.

CB may be a monster (it seems to be) but he may be not involved in Madeleine's crime.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

I know how frustrating it is but this latest state of affairs is down to delaying tactics by FF . HCW has been ready to go on these 5 charges since Oct 22 at the latest.Regarding the position of the judge viewing CB in a different light should CB be convicted of the other crimes , I believe there are strong parallels that connect those to that of MM . IF they do have video evidence of MM post the 3rd of May where she is visible but the perpetrator isn't that would be hard to prove it was CB . However if the video filmed bears strong
connections /mo / background detail to any other video footage the BKA may have it would be deemed strong evidence to get a conviction imo . Remember CB has had since 2013 to cover his tracks and tried to not to leave any forensic evidence behind in both the 2004/ 5 assaults on HB and DM . Personally I agree with HCW tactics he's given nothing away but his statements have been very damning . If I had seen a video of poor MM being abused on film and seeing a connection to previous assaults /mo I would come to the same conclusion then there is all the circumstantial evidence . The point of the appeal I believe was to see if any more victims would come forward and report similar details of the assaults .In terms of pictures from holidaymakers in PDL this could be helpful in a couple of ways, place CB in PDL around the time MM went missing and/or place in particular clothing that tallies up with what the perpetrator maybe wearing in the assault . JMHO

Saying that someone is guilty and then ask for evidence is dangerous. You may generating false memories in "witnesses" or falling in a confirmatory bias. If a were the Judge I only consider the evidence or proof before the public appeal. In others words, HCW may be invalidating the possible future evidence with his public appeal. But of course if solid evidence appears, for example a video showing CB and MM (not AI generated), things would change.

 

[G-Unit]

Saying that someone is guilty and then ask for evidence is dangerous. You may generating false memories in "witnesses" or falling in a confirmatory bias. If a were the Judge I only consider the evidence or proof before the public appeal. In others words, HCW may be invalidating the possible future evidence with his public appeal.

The ECHR is there to ensure that these tactics are not used for the reasons you have given. Police and prosecutors may be convinced of someone's guilt but must not interfere with their right to a fair trial.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Remember CB has had since 2013 to cover his tracks

It makes no sense that CB would cover his tracks and then keep such a damning piece of evidence as a photo or video.

I share the view that if a video or photo was found in CB’s amongst CB’s possessions at the box factory and it shows MM being abused or deceased, then in combination with the other evidence we know about, a case to find him guilty could be made.

I am more inclined to believe that HCW has the info we know about, a positive ID from one of the witnesses on 3 May and various web chats confirming facts about the night including MO traits that match his other known offences.

The lack of a smoking gun like a photo is likely why we haven’t seen a charge IMO.

 

[RichardKimble]

Saying that someone is guilty and then ask for evidence is dangerous. You may generating false memories in "witnesses" or falling in a confirmatory bias. If a were the Judge I only consider the evidence or proof before the public appeal. In others words, HCW may be invalidating the possible future evidence with his public appeal. But of course if solid evidence appears, for example a video showing CB and MM (not AI generated), things would change.

HCW said in affect the very reasons of the appeal were the lack of photo or video evidence showing Madeleine and CB together, he never revealed anything else, the rest imo is but press speculation. Strong suspicions don't relate to evidence, we saw that with the three locals back in 2014. HCW also said May of last year this below.
So that even includes photos imo.


He told the Channel 5 programme: “We have no forensic evidence that Madeleine is dead, we have no other results.

Investigators ‘have no forensic evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead

GERMAN investigators examining the disappearance of Madeleine McCann "have no forensic evidence" to suggest she is dead, despite believing that she has been killed.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Deleted member 268165]

It makes no sense that CB would cover his tracks and then keep such a damning piece of evidence as a photo or video.

I share the view that if a video or photo was found in CB’s amongst CB’s possessions at the box factory and it shows MM being abused or deceased, then in combination with the other evidence we know about, a case to find him guilty could be made.

I am more inclined to believe that HCW has the info we know about, a positive ID from one of the witnesses on 3 May and various web chats confirming facts about the night including MO traits that match his other known offences.

The lack of a smoking gun like a photo is likely why we haven’t seen a charge IMO.

I was not clear. I mean if such a video would appear after the public appeal by HCW.

 

[RichardKimble]

I know how frustrating it is but this latest state of affairs is down to delaying tactics by FF . HCW has been ready to go on these 5 charges since Oct 22 at the latest.Regarding the position of the judge viewing CB in a different light should CB be convicted of the other crimes , I believe there are strong parallels that connect those to that of MM . IF they do have video evidence of MM post the 3rd of May where she is visible but the perpetrator isn't that would be hard to prove it was CB . However if the video filmed bears strong
connections /mo / background detail to any other video footage the BKA may have it would be deemed strong evidence to get a conviction imo . Remember CB has had since 2013 to cover his tracks and tried to not to leave any forensic evidence behind in both the 2004/ 5 assaults on HB and DM . Personally I agree with HCW tactics he's given nothing away but his statements have been very damning . If I had seen a video of poor MM being abused on film and seeing a connection to previous assaults /mo I would come to the same conclusion then there is all the circumstantial evidence . The point of the appeal I believe was to see if any more victims would come forward and report similar details of the assaults .In terms of pictures from holidaymakers in PDL this could be helpful in a couple of ways, place CB in PDL around the time MM went missing and/or place in particular clothing that tallies up with what the perpetrator maybe wearing in the assault . JMHO

If I recall, appeals were made back in 2007 for photographs.

 

[JB1510]

If I recall, appeals were made back in 2007 for photographs.

True but back then CB was not on their radar (though should have been ) once CB was flagged up in June 2020 the opportunity was there to see if he appeared in any holiday photos .

 

[G-Unit]

If I recall, appeals were made back in 2007 for photographs.

They were, both by the McCanns and by the UK police.

 

[Davieson]

If I recall, appeals were made back in 2007 for photographs.

Yes, it was never made clear what happened to those , or if any were of any use.
No doubt they were reviewed by OG and BKA as part of their investigations