Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #33

[G-Unit]

True but back then CB was not on their radar (though should have been ) once CB was flagged up in June 2020 the opportunity was there to see if he appeared in any holiday photos .

Would Operation Grange not have checked those photos after the 2017 allegations were made?

 

[JB1510]

Saying that someone is guilty and then ask for evidence is dangerous. You may generating false memories in "witnesses" or falling in a confirmatory bias. If a were the Judge I only consider the evidence or proof before the public appeal. In others words, HCW may be invalidating the possible future evidence with his public appeal. But of course if solid evidence appears, for example a video showing CB and MM (not AI generated), things would change.

100% . Yes any witnesses who positively ID'd CB would have to have been interviewed prior to the public appeal to be admissible evidence. I think the appeal was possibly to see if anymore victims would come forward to corroberate CB mo. Bottom line being a 6ft
Northern European who breaks into properties , tortures, rapes and films his attacks wearing a mask . HCW - There are parallels between the HB, DM and MM case. We know all the details from DM and HB because they were located and have reported the details to the police , so whatever HCW has regarding MM to link the 3 must be highly significant imo.

 

[JB1510]

Would Operation Grange not have checked those photos after the 2017 allegations were made?

I sincerely hope so and worked with the Germans at the same time , it's a long shot to find CB in them but has to be looked into .

 

[Davieson]

Having said that, what would it prove, other than that CB was present in PDL around that week.?

 

[RichardKimble]

Having said that, what would it prove, other than that CB was present in PDL around that week.?

Indeed, but its the night of the 3rd they can't resolve.

 

[RichardKimble]

Thank you. I think there must be something concrete behind it all. If there wasn’t they wouldn’t be involved. IMO they have evidence of murder but they needed to close off any areas where the defence could sow doubt. I think for the overwhelming majority when the evidence is released they’ll accept that the prosecutors have been right. I think ‘prove he took that photo’, ‘prove he used that phone’… ect. Are all potential counter arguments they’ve slowly slowly worked to find solid answers for.

regarsjnf HCW & the statements, at first I thought it was a good strategy, very clever. But as time moves on it doesn’t seem as if broadcasting abouthaving a concrete case has been more of a hinderance. Part of that IMO js because they have a different system to other western nation. FF IMO won’t be affective in a court room. FF is now things down by being very engrossed in technicalities. I just can’t see him constructing a string case. Bud my NO

FF learnt his trade no doubt knowing all the subtleties of the system. Does the defence get to question in Germany or are the questions asked through the judges.

 

[JB1510]

As I said before maybe it could possibly tie in the clothing he was wearing IF a video exists or if there are photos from the 3rd May it could also disprove his alibi.
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[RichardKimble]

As I said before maybe it could possibly tie in the clothing he was wearing IF a video exists or if there are photos from the 3rd May it could also disprove his alibi.
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Depending on his alibi, if he says he wasn't there and photographic evidence suggest otherwise then that would lend itself to more circumstantial evidence, but the appeal back in 2020 asked about the phone call, with Wolters admitting later to Mark Saunokonoko even that doesn't pinpoint him to an exact area if he was using the phone.
I think Heri highlighted the difficulty with the phone, but for now or maybe not , the focus doesn't seem to be on Luz but on proving CB killed Madeleine, all imo.

 

[Davieson]

There's much talk of alibis but supposing he could put forward a valid alibi for that day, does that then exclude him from the murder charge? Death may not have occurred that night, or even that week. How could he put forward an alibi for murder unless approximated time/date of death is known ?

 

[Deleted member 268165]

There's much talk of alibis but supposing he could put forward a valid alibi for that day, does that then exclude him from the murder charge? Death may not have occurred that night, or even that week. How could he put forward an alibi for murder unless approximated time/date of death is known ?

Very good point! We have the abduction time (May 3 2007, 21 to 22) and location (5A). But we do not have murder time and location. So HCW should focus on PdL, May 3, 2007.

 

[Davieson]

I'm not sure that we can assume that the person who removed MM is the person who killed her without there being strong evidence to link both events. I'm not even certain about a charge of murder, as opposed to manslaughter or even unintentional death, but perhaps German law doesn't differentiate.

 

[RichardKimble]

One thing from Germany is that convictions for murders with out bodies are extremely rare according to wiki.

 

[UK Girl]

Very good point! We have the abduction time (May 3 2007, 21 to 22) and location (5A). But we do not have murder time and location. So HCW should focus on PdL, May 3, 2007.

when you say location 5A even that isnt 100% sure as its possible she could have been grabbed from the street if she had gotten out of the apartment by herself.

 

[RichardKimble]

when you say location 5A even that isnt 100% sure as its possible she could have been grabbed from the street if she had gotten out of the apartment by herself.

Indeed and Wolters has never mentioned 5a .

 

[UK Girl]

Indeed and Wolters has never mentioned 5a .

They dont seem interested in that part of it ie who took her...just the supposed murder part.

 

[Davieson]

Indeed and Wolters has never mentioned 5a .

Has he ever mentioned abduction either?

 

[Deleted member 268165]

when you say location 5A even that isnt 100% sure as its possible she could have been grabbed from the street if she had gotten out of the apartment by herself.

Out of 5A by herself very unlikely, according to evidence IMO.

 

[Davieson]

They dont seem interested in that part of it ie who took her...just the supposed murder part.

Maybe they haven't been able to prove abduction either.

 

[UK Girl]

Maybe they haven't been able to prove abduction either.

It is one thing that annoys me because if I was the McCanns I would want to know everything ie who took her and supposedly killed her. I say supposedly as we havent seen evidence she is indeed dead.

 

[Megnut]

Out of 5A by herself very unlikely, according to evidence IMO.

But is it possible? That she awakened and went in search of her parents?

I do think, rather, that the abductor was given inside information. Which rooms to target for petty theft and this one because there was an unattended little...

Jmo