Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #33

[UK Girl]

But is it possible? That she awakened and went in search of her parents?

I do think, rather, that the abductor was given inside information. Which rooms to target for petty theft and this one because there was an unattended little...

Jmo

if the door was unlocked as has been said then yes it would be possible in theory

 

[Deleted member 268165]

if the door was unlocked as has been said then yes it would be possible in theory

If MM got out by herself. Who lifted the shutters and opened the window pane?

 

[Davieson]

If MM got out by herself. Who lifted the shutters and opened the window pane?

I believe we are not allowed to question that

 

[Deleted member 268165]

I believe we are not allowed to question that

The answer is, IMO, MM did not go out by herself, and the abductor lifted the shutters and opened the window pane.

 

[Davieson]

The answer is, IMO, MM did not go out by herself, and the abductor lifted the shutters and opened the window pane.

I understand that to be the only permitted answer on this forum

 

[Megnut]

Does anybody have a schematic of the layout of 5A, in particular the rooms, doors and windows and how they are situated relative to the street and where the parents were dining?

Where were the other families' children?

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Does anybody have a schematic of the layout of 5A, in particular the rooms, doors and windows and how they are situated relative to the street and where the parents were dining?

Where were the other family's children?

You can read this ... and Google Maps.

View from the street ... Tapas bar entrance and 5A.

The other children were in 5B (Matt and Rachael), 5D (O'Brien and Tanner), and 5H (Paynes and Dianne, first floor from main block 5 entrance).

 

[Lilly b]

I know how frustrating it is but this latest state of affairs is down to delaying tactics by FF . HCW has been ready to go on these 5 charges since Oct 22 at the latest.Regarding the position of the judge viewing CB in a different light should CB be convicted of the other crimes , I believe there are strong parallels that connect those to that of MM . IF they do have video evidence of MM post the 3rd of May where she is visible but the perpetrator isn't that would be hard to prove it was CB . However if the video filmed bears strong
connections /mo / background detail to any other video footage the BKA may have it would be deemed strong evidence to get a conviction imo . Remember CB has had since 2013 to cover his tracks and tried to not to leave any forensic evidence behind in both the 2004/ 5 assaults on HB and DM . Personally I agree with HCW tactics he's given nothing away but his statements have been very damning . If I had seen a video of poor MM being abused on film and seeing a connection to previous assaults /mo I would come to the same conclusion then there is all the circumstantial evidence . The point of the appeal I believe was to see if any more victims would come forward and report similar details of the assaults .In terms of pictures from holidaymakers in PDL this could be helpful in a couple of ways, place CB in PDL around the time MM went missing and/or place in particular clothing that tallies up with what the perpetrator maybe wearing in the assault . JMHO

I agree with covering his tracks, especially when he received the letter in 2013, about mm,. Regards them wanting to question him, he went back to Portugal some point after that,

 

[Lilly b]

It makes no sense that CB would cover his tracks and then keep such a damning piece of evidence as a photo or video.

I share the view that if a video or photo was found in CB’s amongst CB’s possessions at the box factory and it shows MM being abused or deceased, then in combination with the other evidence we know about, a case to find him guilty could be made.

I am more inclined to believe that HCW has the info we know about, a positive ID from one of the witnesses on 3 May and various web chats confirming facts about the night including MO traits that match his other known offences.

The lack of a smoking gun like a photo is likely why we haven’t seen a charge IMO.

I don't think there are photos, but das book, and maybe more chats with other paedos, like with panikspatz

 

[Lilly b]

If MM got out by herself. Who lifted the shutters and opened the window pane?

And also, patio doors are heavy, not easy to open and I doubt she could of opened the front door too

 

[G-Unit]

And also, patio doors are heavy, not easy to open and I doubt she could of opened the front door too

Her mother thought she could.

 

[Lilly b]

Her mother thought she could.

Ooh, where did she say that ?

 

[UK Girl]

Ooh, where did she say that ?

It's in the files in a statement by one of the friends. Fiona Paynes I THINK

 

[enquirer6]

It's in the files in a statement by one of the friends. Fiona Paynes I THINK

The (versions of!) the statements online are not to be wholly trusted. Mark Harrison wrote, simply, about the deployment of Grime and his dogs that two dogs were deployed. The (version of) Harrisons's report online now reads Police dogs.

The insertion of the word Police is a (comparatively recent) online courruption and nothing to do with Mark Harrison.

 

[Davieson]

In reality there's little that can be trusted, be it files, media reports, books or documentaries.

We all choose what we want to believe

 

[Deleted member 268165]

In reality there's little that can be trusted, be it files, media reports, books or documentaries.

We all choose what we want to believe

I disagree. IMO the PJ files for the first months are pure gold compare with media reports, books and documentaries. I have got an uncensored copy of them, and I am fortunate enough to read them in Portuguese.

 

[RichardKimble]

The (versions of!) the statements online are not to be wholly trusted. Mark Harrison wrote, simply, about the deployment of Grime and his dogs that two dogs were deployed. The (version of) Harrisons's report online now reads Police dogs.

The insertion of the word Police is a (comparatively recent) online courruption and nothing to do with Mark Harrison.

Does that mean there was no open window then ?

 

[Lyall0814]

The (versions of!) the statements online are not to be wholly trusted. Mark Harrison wrote, simply, about the deployment of Grime and his dogs that two dogs were deployed. The (version of) Harrisons's report online now reads Police dogs.

The insertion of the word Police is a (comparatively recent) online courruption and nothing to do with Mark Harrison.

I doubt any of the translators ever claimed 100% accuracy but, amongst other praising their selfless effort, Anthony Summers said they're accurate, and Jon Clarke reckons the Met police used/use them.

 

[Davieson]

I disagree. IMO the PJ files for the first months are pure gold compare with media reports, books and documentaries. I have got an uncensored copy of them, and I am fortunate enough to read them in Portuguese.

The majority of us are not so fortunate and have to wade through tabloid nonsense.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

The majority of us are not so fortunate and have to wade through tabloid nonsense.

I can share my copy of PJ files (in Portuguese) with anyone who wants them.