Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #33

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Wasn’t it stated in the original appeal? The article below states: “The day after Madeleine vanished in 2007, the suspect transferred the Jaguar to someone else's name.”

No direct quote though, from what Hexe says though in their post, re-registration is not a simple process it seems unlike in the uk, where it can be done with a click of a mouse or use of a phone now.
 
  • #283
I don’t think that turning up new evidence while investigating a cold case and finding a new prime suspect as a result would have been an easy achievement.

In my opinion the German authorities have carried out sterling work on behalf of defending the rights of the child who in this case is MM and are to be congratulated, not berated for doing so.

That in the process the rights of CB are also being respected is I think, shown by the fact that the court has acted on his behalf in respect of residency and no other complaint of infringement has been made, as far as I know.

I don't think HCW has any wounds to lick because I think the saga hasn't yet reached its conclusion.
Great post. We don't know what is going on in the background but we do know HCW is still in a job, no legal action has been brought against the Braunschweig office over his comments and there is no sign of them backing down over their claims.

Opposing views on the case are fine, welcomed even, when it actually adds something to the discussion, but it seems there are many people who just want to criticise the investigation without knowing what evidence they have. JMO
 
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IMO the Jag registration dates are still unclear. I think the press took the BKA statement to mean it took place on the 4th but that's not what it actually says. It probably could have been made clearer but I do wonder if they have worded it that way because they know CB initiated the change shortly after MM's disappearance but the registration change itself went through in the weeks after. JMO.
 
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IMO the jag only matters if any forensics pertaining to Madeleine was found in it, which clearly was not.
 
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Great post. We don't know what is going on in the background but we do know HCW is still in a job, no legal action has been brought against the Braunschweig office over his comments and there is no sign of them backing down over their claims.

Opposing views on the case are fine, welcomed even, when it actually adds something to the discussion, but it seems there are many people who just want to criticise the investigation without knowing what evidence they have. JMO
After three years of people saying this it's perfectly understandable why some criticise the investigation. It's been three years now.
 
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Great post. We don't know what is going on in the background but we do know HCW is still in a job, no legal action has been brought against the Braunschweig office over his comments and there is no sign of them backing down over their claims.

Opposing views on the case are fine, welcomed even, when it actually adds something to the discussion, but it seems there are many people who just want to criticise the investigation without knowing what evidence they have. JMO
Which is fair enough, but when a prosecutor tries telling us through the power of the media if you knew what I knew you'd think the same then does not back that up, then what else can one do but criticise .
 
  • #288
After three years of people saying this it's perfectly understandable why some criticise the investigation. It's been three years now.
Three yrs of publicity, six since being alerted to CB , again it would seem .
 
  • #289
After three years of people saying this it's perfectly understandable why some criticise the investigation. It's been three years now.
People are entitled to hold that view if they wish, personally I think the case is a little more complicated and shouldn't be judged on the time elapsed since we became aware of the prime suspect.

My criticism was to do with opinionated posts that add absolutley nothing to the discussion. Especially when repeated ad infinitum.
 
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People are entitled to hold that view if they wish, personally I think the case is a little more complicated and shouldn't be judged on the time elapsed since we became aware of the prime suspect.

My criticism was to do with opinionated posts that add absolutley nothing to the discussion. Especially when repeated ad infinitum.
With out a body and a clear sighting of any suspect then it was and will always remain a complicated case imo.
 
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People are entitled to hold that view if they wish, personally I think the case is a little more complicated and shouldn't be judged on the time elapsed since we became aware of the prime suspect.

My criticism was to do with opinionated posts that add absolutley nothing to the discussion.
Opinion is all any of us have until they actually charge him. Until then everything the prosecutors and their allies have said is just opinion, it's not fact.
 
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No direct quote though, from what Hexe says though in their post, re-registration is not a simple process it seems unlike in the uk, where it can be done with a click of a mouse or use of a phone now.
My point was that I think when Braunschweig Prosecutors made the appeal in June 2020 the reregistering of the Jag 4 May was included in the appeal. I could be wrong but I thought it was part of the info they shared.
 
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Opinion is all any of us have until they actually charge him. Until then everything the prosecutors and their allies have said is just opinion, it's not fact.
How does anything change in terms of opinion if they charge him? The evidence is the evidence, that's a fact, not an opinion. Based on that evidence, the prosecutors are confident they have the right man. That's what they've said. Nobody is obliged to believe that assertion and that wasn't what my criticism was about. The problem is some people are equating the time elapsed since the appeal with a botched investigation. That's nonsense IMO, this was always going to be a hard case to take to court without the body.
 
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Great post. We don't know what is going on in the background but we do know HCW is still in a job, no legal action has been brought against the Braunschweig office over his comments and there is no sign of them backing down over their claims.

Opposing views on the case are fine, welcomed even, when it actually adds something to the discussion, but it seems there are many people who just want to criticise the investigation without knowing what evidence they have. JMO
^Bold, it goes both ways, people want to support the investigation without knowing the evidence they have too.

I hope HCW has something good but it seems clear that the case against CB has issues. CB was convicted in the DM case because of one hair. Clearly then, if the evidence in the MM case was as strong, CB would have been charged. This is why I don’t think there is a photo or fibres or any physical evidence just circumstantial evidence.

Until there is a trial and we find out what HCW has, I’m staying skeptical on the case against CB and I’m not ruling out involvement of other people - seems the right way to think given the lack of info we all have.
 
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^Bold, it goes both ways, people want to support the investigation without knowing the evidence they have too.

I hope HCW has something good but it seems clear that the case against CB has issues. CB was convicted in the DM case because of one hair. Clearly then, if the evidence in the MM case was as strong, CB would have been charged. This is why I don’t think there is a photo or fibres or any physical evidence just circumstantial evidence.

Until there is a trial and we find out what HCW has, I’m staying skeptical on the case against CB and I’m not ruling out involvement of other people - seems the right way to think given the lack of info we all have.
And that is absolutely right and fair. That's not what I was criticising though.
 
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How does anything change in terms of opinion if they charge him? The evidence is the evidence, that's a fact, not an opinion. Based on that evidence, the prosecutors are confident they have the right man. That's what they've said. Nobody is obliged to believe that assertion and that wasn't what my criticism was about. The problem is some people are equating the time elapsed since the appeal with a botched investigation. That's nonsense IMO, this was always going to be a hard case to take to court without the body.
Bold^ Well the time and the fact that HCW has cried wolf and backtracked. He has said they have evidence to charge CB. In October 2021 he said the would charge him in the new year - it didn’t happen. Yes, it’s a hard case but much of the criticism is fair IMO. Whatever HCW has, we can be certain it’s not a smoking gun.
 
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And that is absolutely right and fair. That's not what I was criticising though.
Instead of generalising then, perhaps reference what you are taking issue with.
 
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Bold^ Well the time and the fact that HCW has cried wolf and backtracked. He has said they have evidence to charge CB. In October 2021 he said the would charge him in the new year - it didn’t happen. Yes, it’s a hard case but much of the criticism is fair IMO. Whatever HCW has, we can be certain it’s not a smoking gun.
How has he backtracked? In Oct 21 he was referring to the threshold to lay charges and said at the time it would be nonsense to charge when they had time on their side to potentially gather more evidence.

Do you have a cite of HCW saying he would charge him in the new year?
 
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My point was that I think when Braunschweig Prosecutors made the appeal in June 2020 the reregistering of the Jag 4 May was included in the appeal. I could be wrong but I thought it was part of the info they shared.
I see where you're coming from, it only asked about info on the Jag mentioning it was re-registered the day after, DCI Cranwell went on about a transient lifestyle in his camper van, on another point after looking back at that, the beeb reported CB was one of the 600 OG originally looked at .
 
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How does anything change in terms of opinion if they charge him? The evidence is the evidence, that's a fact, not an opinion. Based on that evidence, the prosecutors are confident they have the right man. That's what they've said. Nobody is obliged to believe that assertion and that wasn't what my criticism was about. The problem is some people are equating the time elapsed since the appeal with a botched investigation. That's nonsense IMO, this was always going to be a hard case to take to court without the body.
I think this is a problem of ethics and human rights. No person (even a known serial offender) should be exposed publicly as the kidnapper and killer of a child without a court rule.

That was a gross error of German authorities. Maybe they thought the evidence would appear very soon. But now they have a problem, they exposed him as the killer of Madeleine, and very soon his photo appeared in the MSM. The court now could ignore any witnesses testimonies who recognize CB because his exposure, except if a forensic evidence is presented.
 
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