Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #34

[Mex]

Well FF is still on the case, he is quoted in this article from yesterday.

Prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance could avoid charge

Christian B is the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, but a legal row may be set to scupper chances of a charge being implemented.

www.express.co.uk

Interesting that your link says, " Prosecutors from two different regions in Germany have clashed over the 45-year-old's alleged links to Madeleine and other missing children cases."

Interesting also that the journalist seems to have missed the significance of the five cases subject to the jurisdiction hold up for a case in which no charges have as yet been made.

I think the Sun may be using a little bit of hyperbole.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Interesting that your link says, " Prosecutors from two different regions in Germany have clashed over the 45-year-old's alleged links to Madeleine and other missing children cases."

Interesting also that the journalist seems to have missed the significance of the five cases subject to the jurisdiction hold up for a case in which no charges have as yet been made.

I think the Sun may be using a little bit of hyperbole.

They are independent of the MM case.

Perhaps they made a mistake, it happens, case in point is that it’s The Express. Aren’t you a researcher or similar?

 

[Consider Dudley]

Ok but Cannan wasn't being accused of being a child murderer.

what difference does that make? He was accused of abducting and murdering Suzy Lamplugh, is that a lesser crime?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

what difference does that make? He was accused of abducting and murdering Suzy Lamplugh, is that a lesser crime?

RSBM

Quite a bit if you’re in prison I imagine.

 

[Consider Dudley]

RSBM

Quite a bit if you’re in prison I imagine.

What does RSBM mean?
Do you think that anyone reviewing the treatment of CB versus John Canaan would view the latter's treatment to have been more unfair because he was accused of a crime against a child?

 

[Lyall0814]

what difference does that make? He was accused of abducting and murdering Suzy Lamplugh, is that a lesser crime?

Cannan was a proven murderer, accusing him of another isn't the same thing as accusing someone who isn't a proven murderer.

 

[Mex]

The fact that their main suspect is not wandering around the streets free to harm other women and children gives them the time to consolidate their case by gathering evidence to make a cast iron case against him. It's quite possible however that they may never charge him (see also John Canaan, similar situation), and then it's up to him to decide how to handle that - whether he wants to sue or go to the ECHR, or whatever.

I think the refusal to release CB on parole may be in recognition of the danger he presents to society.
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MM suspect CB has had a parole application rejected in Germany, according to a report.

Lead German prosecutor HCW told the Mirror: “His request was rejected on the grounds that he could not be given a positive social prognosis.
“In other words, the court has said it believes that the convict will commit further offences if released.”

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner denied parole in Germany – report

The convicted sex offender was declared an official suspect by Portuguese authorities last month.

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Denis R Tandib]

What does RSBM mean?
Do you think that anyone reviewing the treatment of CB versus John Canaan would view the latter's treatment to have been more unfair because he was accused of a crime against a child?

There’s a lingo post on the home page. All the initials are at the beginning of each forum.

TBH, I don’t understand your question - the latter wasn’t accused of a crime against a child, at least that I am aware of.

 

[Mex]

They are independent of the MM case.

Perhaps they made a mistake, it happens, case in point is that it’s The Express. Aren’t you a researcher or similar?

Of course they are independent of the MM case which irrespective of who the lawyer may be, is not the jurisdiction case which is causing the present log jam in which five cases are currently pending.
The charges in all five delayed cases are equally serious ones, as was the rape case for which he is currently doing time.

MM's case is not the issue at the moment as no charges have as yet been laid.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I think the refusal to release CB on parole may be in recognition of the danger he presents to society.
__________________________________________

MM suspect CB has had a parole application rejected in Germany, according to a report.

Lead German prosecutor HCW told the Mirror: “His request was rejected on the grounds that he could not be given a positive social prognosis.
“In other words, the court has said it believes that the convict will commit further offences if released.”

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner denied parole in Germany – report

The convicted sex offender was declared an official suspect by Portuguese authorities last month.

www.independent.co.uk

He was considered such a risk that when he left Germany the police escorted him to the Dutch border and advised the police there when he crossed to their jurisdiction.

He is a bad human with a very troubled past. Given away by his mother, badly beaten by his very religious adoptive parents, handed to the state as a juvenile and then involved in crime at an early age. It’s a common story as I understand.

But no matter who or what he is, he should only be considered guilty of killing MM if it’s proven he committed the crime. That’s not how it has played out so far.

 

[enquirer6]

Cannan was a proven murderer, accusing him of another isn't the same thing as accusing someone who isn't a proven murderer.

Absolutely everyone who is a murderer committed murder for the first time, and some only, ever, committed one murder.

Ruth Snyder is an example. She murdered her husband. That had nothing to do with an abusive relationship; indeed, she was the dominant partner in their relationship, got bored of the marriage and wanted to elope with her long-term lover, convicted, along with Snyder, of her husband's murder. Both went to the electric chair.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Of course they are independent of the MM case which irrespective of who the lawyer may be, is not the jurisdiction case which is causing the present log jam in which five cases are currently pending.
The charges in all five delayed cases are equally serious ones, as was the rape case for which he is currently doing time.

MM's case is not the issue at the moment as no charges have as yet been laid.

I made the point to Superdad that FF was still on the case because he had asked if PM had taken over in an earlier post.

I don’t understand what you mean with the rest of your post, it doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[Consider Dudley]

Cannan was a proven murderer, accusing him of another isn't the same thing as accusing someone who isn't a proven murderer.

Is there a legal distinction then? John Canaan may be a proven murderer but he still claimed to be deeply hurt and upset at being linked to Lamplugh's disappearance.

 

[Consider Dudley]

There’s a lingo post on the home page. All the initials are at the beginning of each forum.

TBH, I don’t understand your question - the latter wasn’t accused of a crime against a child, at least that I am aware of.

And I'm asking why that distinction should matter to anyone charged with reviewing his or CB's treatment at the hands of the police or prosecutor. It suggests that it's OK to publicly accuse a convicted murderer of murdering another woman, but not OK to accuse the same murderer of murdering a child.

 

[Davieson]

what difference does that make? He was accused of abducting and murdering Suzy Lamplugh, is that a lesser crime?

Not to my way of thinking, but others see things differently and think there's nothing worse than crimes against children.

 

[Lyall0814]

Is there a legal distinction then? John Canaan may be a proven murderer but he still claimed to be deeply hurt and upset at being linked to Lamplugh's disappearance.

As his solicitors will tell you and me and the world their client still has rights. I don't know much about him or the Lamplugh case to be honest so I don't really know if what the police did was out of order but I know accusing him of another murder isn't the same as HCW giving that hyperbolic press conference in 2020.

 

[Mex]

He was considered such a risk that when he left Germany the police escorted him to the Dutch border and advised the police there when he crossed to their jurisdiction.

He is a bad human with a very troubled past. Given away by his mother, badly beaten by his very religious adoptive parents, handed to the state as a juvenile and then involved in crime at an early age. It’s a common story as I understand.

But no matter who or what he is, he should only be considered guilty of killing MM if it’s proven he committed the crime. That’s not how it has played out so far.

The police and prosecutors are as entitled to work on the behalf of the victims of crime as the defence is to do what they have to do on behalf of their clients.

CB's defence team have pulled out all the stops on his behalf and as a result have given themselves and him delaying time until jurisdiction is settled.

That may work for him or it may ultimately work against him but whatever I see no criticism of them being allowed the space to do so on behalf of their client.

Which is why the criticism of HCW who as far as I can see it, is doing his job to the best of his ability on behalf of the victims of crime is conversely subject to a myriad of controversy.

The delayed five cases are not victimless crimes. Neither is MM's a victimless crime. No-one is blocking CB presumptive rights or targeting his legal team for opprobrium. Would that there was an internet level playing field for victims and those representing them.

 

[Lyall0814]

Opprobrium? There's a word that would wake a judge up.

 

[Consider Dudley]

As his solicitors will tell you and me and the world their client still has rights. I don't know much about him or the Lamplugh case to be honest so I don't really know if what the police did was out of order but I know accusing him of another murder isn't the same as HCW giving that hyperbolic press conference in 2020.

Why is it not the same? The UK police made it very clear at the time that they believed JC murdered Suzy Lamplugh, in fact JC threatened legal action, much as CB has though to date neither has followed through with their threat. Additionally which part of HCW's press conference in 2020 do you consider hyperbolic?

 

[Mex]

Opprobrium? There's a word that would wake a judge up.

Yeah, it's a good one I think.
Don't know if you quite pulled it off with "hyperbolic " though.