Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #35

[Pixie Child]

^ But do they have this, the number of the phone/s he was using at the time and all the corresponding records? And has CB been verified as the person seen stalking the apartment or is it just that someone who matched the CB profile at the time was seen skulking nearby prior to MM's disappearance?

Agree re the alibi, not having one for the evening in question is not remotely proof of guilt... although, HCW has said that as far as he's concerned, CB acted alone... in which case, he's either saying CB took and later murdered MM on some unknown date, or someone took MM and passed her on to CB who later murdered her on some unknown date... but that would also mean he didn't act alone...

That's a gap I feel needs to be filled to satisfy everyone.

It's a rather confusing narrative as stands.

They have the number he was using from NF and also from the radio station group who travelled with him in Apr ‘07. There will be many who have his number because he was dealing.

It’s not clear whether this number (915078040) is his or NF.

They only have eye witness evidence in relation to the stalking - (JW & the schoolgirl - there could be more but I think those 2 have been interviewed by the tabloids).

Yes - there could be a surprise in relation to whether he acted alone in the abduction. It does appear from what BkA has released that he acted alone in the murder.

 

[SuperdadV8]

meaning? how much detail is needed?

Everything that's needed for a usual search warrant, requested by the prosecution and issued by a german court.

Portugese officials just gave administrative assistance, because the search took place on another european, the portugese ground.

In the end, way much more than just hearsay...

Section 59 and further...

IRG - nichtamtliches Inhaltsverzeichnis

 

[Tekno]

Back to the very beginning, how was Madeleine secreted out of 5a, even Wolters hasn't come up with an answer, which child being seen carried around was Madeleine if any or was there an unseen carrier ,does the investigation gloss over this in only concentrating on the alleged murder and deposition site ?

Wolters said that he’s not going to give information re. if CB was in 5A. He said, it will lead to more questions. IMO, they found something small from 5A amongst his stuff at the box factory.

 

[C.greek]

Wolters said that he’s not going to give information re. if CB was in 5A. He said, it will lead to more questions. IMO, they found something small from 5A amongst his stuff at the box factory.

Was there anything missing though?

 

[C.greek]

They have the number he was using from NF and also from the radio station group who travelled with him in Apr ‘07. There will be many who have his number because he was dealing.

It’s not clear whether this number (915078040) is his or NF.

They only have eye witness evidence in relation to the stalking - (JW & the schoolgirl - there could be more but I think those 2 have been interviewed by the tabloids).

Yes - there could be a surprise in relation to whether he acted alone in the abduction. It does appear from what BkA has released that he acted alone in the murder.

The attachment confused me. That number is in Germany?

 

[RichardKimble]

Was there anything missing though?

Everything else was reported I'm sure if something was taken it would have been known, remember this is the guy reported to have hundreds of stolen passports amongst other things.


He would steal lots of money, valuables and so many passports. In fact hundreds of passports and lots of Rolexes and other expensive watches.'

Mr Tatschl said Brueckner hid his stolen loot in the rafters of his farmhouse, which overlooks Praia da Luz.

Christian Brueckner took Madeleine McCann, says suspect's friend

Michael Tatschl (pictured), who lived with his former cellmate Christian Brueckner in a farmhouse near the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, believes the German took British child Madeleine McCann.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Pixie Child]

The attachment confused me. That number is in Germany?

It’s from a transcript of a German TV programme (translated by @shonyakay).

I think when it says ‘he’ it should read ‘she’ and the number is his, not hers. But that’s my interpretation.

 

[RichardKimble]

Back to the very beginning, how was Madeleine secreted out of 5a, even Wolters hasn't come up with an answer, which child being seen carried around was Madeleine if any or was there an unseen carrier ,does the investigation gloss over this in only concentrating on the alleged murder and deposition site ?

Yes IMO - you have to because otherwise you have 2 abductor sightings and other theories to deal with and ruling those out is hard. Focussing on the murder short circuits all of that. e.g if they found evidence of the child in his camper van then you don't have to worry about 5a

Wolters said that he’s not going to give information re. if CB was in 5A. He said, it will lead to more questions. IMO, they found something small from 5A amongst his stuff at the box factory.

I think @mrjitty sums it up .

 

[Malleux]

although, HCW has said that as far as he's concerned, CB acted alone... in which case, he's either saying CB took and later murdered MM on some unknown date, or someone took MM and passed her on to CB who later murdered her on some unknown date... but that would also mean he didn't act alone...

Another option is that they know he didn't work alone but the accomplice is assisting them in the investigation. Mrjitty brought up the point earlier about in the US, investigators can lie to the suspect. This practice is not allowed in Germany in the same way it is over there but there are instances in which German prosecutors can be permitted to lie to the press. Protecting an informant is one of them.

Taking a hypothetical scenario, let's say CB and a friend scoped out 5A to burgle it. Then once inside, CB decides instead to take MM and later kills her. The accomplice may have told investigators what happened but the proof is not there since it's his word against CB. And furthermore, if CB were to become aware that the friend was now informing on him, he could change his story from "I was never there" to "I was there but it was the friend who killed her, not me".

Another thing, I think too much is being made of HCW not talking about "abduction", and only "murder". It doesn't necessarily mean they don't know or aren't sure CB was the one who did the abduction. They are simply targetting the greater charge and this is quite common in cases like this. Take the DM rape case as an example. The perpetrator committed several crimes including breaking & entering, assault and robbery. Yet the only charge they pursued was of "rape". The other elements of the crime were taken into account in the sentencing. Doing it this way allows the prosecutors to only have to focus on "proving" the most serious crime.

 

[Tekno]

Was there anything missing though?

I think so. Maddie and some memento. JMO.

 

[C.greek]

I think so. Maddie and some memento. JMO.

Is the memento anywhere mentioned in the pj files?

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Is the memento anywhere mentioned in the pj files?

I don't want to deny it.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

“Was I or my vehicle clearly seen near the crime scene on the night of the crime?
Are there DNA traces of me at the crime scene?
Are there DNA traces of the injured party in my vehicle?
Are there any other traces of the damaged party in my possession?
Photos?
And, not to forget, is there a dead body?"

Leaving an "invisible" trail...
The plan and the "disposal checklist"?!
The way CB wrote this letter..."Did I forget anything?!"

 

[C.greek]

“Was I or my vehicle clearly seen near the crime scene on the night of the crime?
Are there DNA traces of me at the crime scene?
Are there DNA traces of the injured party in my vehicle?
Are there any other traces of the damaged party in my possession?
Photos?
And, not to forget, is there a dead body?"

Leaving an "invisible" trail...
The plan and the "disposal checklist"?!
The way CB wrote this letter..."Did I forget anything?!"

We had discussed I think about the choice of the word 'clearly' ! Absolutely this reads like a checklist

 

[mrjitty]

^ But do they have this, the number of the phone/s he was using at the time and all the corresponding records? And has CB been verified as the person seen stalking the apartment or is it just that someone who matched the CB profile at the time was seen skulking nearby prior to MM's disappearance?

Agree re the alibi, not having one for the evening in question is not remotely proof of guilt... although, HCW has said that as far as he's concerned, CB acted alone... in which case, he's either saying CB took and later murdered MM on some unknown date, or someone took MM and passed her on to CB who later murdered her on some unknown date... but that would also mean he didn't act alone...

That's a gap I feel needs to be filled to satisfy everyone.

It's a rather confusing narrative as stands.

The way I see it, if he is looking at murder charges, then abduction from 5a is not strictly one of the things to be proved, and the evidence may well not related to that. Rather abduction may be something ancillary that the court can simply infer.

However from the defences point of view an alibi for all the various dates/places can help raise doubt about the evidence. Especially because the best chance the defence likely have is the alternative suspects and theories down the years which have to be excluded as reasonable possibilities.

We just don't know the relevant dates/places/events yet.

Incidentally this may be the main point of the appeal re the phone number - to rule out an alibi about being elsewhere during those days.

 

[enquirer6]

The way I see it, if he is looking at murder charges, then abduction from 5a is not strictly one of the things to be proved, and the evidence may well not related to that. Rather abduction may be something ancillary that the court can simply infer.

However from the defences point of view an alibi for all the various dates/places can help raise doubt about the evidence. Especially because the best chance the defence likely have is the alternative suspects and theories down the years which have to be excluded as reasonable possibilities.

We just don't know the relevant dates/places/events yet.

Incidentally this may be the main point of the appeal re the phone number - to rule out an alibi about being elsewhere during those days.

Didn't Herr Wolters say, some time ago, if you knew the evidence we have ... or words to that effect you would come to the same conclusion (about the guilt of Brueckner)?

At the very least implying, that he hasn't made public all he knows.

 

[enquirer6]

The way I see it, if he is looking at murder charges, then abduction from 5a is not strictly one of the things to be proved, and the evidence may well not related to that. Rather abduction may be something ancillary that the court can simply infer.

However from the defences point of view an alibi for all the various dates/places can help raise doubt about the evidence. Especially because the best chance the defence likely have is the alternative suspects and theories down the years which have to be excluded as reasonable possibilities.

We just don't know the relevant dates/places/events yet.

Incidentally this may be the main point of the appeal re the phone number - to rule out an alibi about being elsewhere during those days.

If Herr Wolters has proof of murder, then abuction from the apartment would be inferred from Madeleine's absence.

 

[Lyall0814]

Didn't Herr Wolters say, some time ago, if you knew the evidence we have ... or words to that effect you would come to the same conclusion (about the guilt of Brueckner)?

At the very least implying, that he hasn't made public all he knows.

Herr Wolters might be a big Eddie Cantor fan. "If you knew CB, like I know CB..."

 

[enquirer6]

Herr Wolters might be a big Eddie Cantor fan. "If you knew CB, like I know CB..."

I confess, I had to google that one.

But very sharp

 

[sandy_80]

headlines are misleading as usual
photographs revealing clues ? youd think something related to madie ..not places he took pictures of ?