Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #36

[frank-cole]

Play games?! I can understand it as tactical behaviors on both sides but we are not in a schoolyard...I hate you, you hate me...
CB was accused of murdering a child! All world's eyes on him. If he is innocent couldn't he "easily" inform police or put a statement through his lawyer about his name being unfairly dragged through the mud when he was innocent and could prove it.
But no, according to his lawyer you could order "a holy drink in hell" before CB would cooperate with the prosecutors.

On HCW side, I even can't imagine what he and BKA probably felt when they saw all those photos and chats, texts, his "belongings", testimonies about his depraved world and his sexual crimes during the investigation. And how he may has been escaping and avoiding being caught. They are humans too. JMO

Great point! I listened to a podcast and they commented that some of Fulscher’s words made him sound like ‘a cliche bond villain’ - I agree. But ultimately he’s a lawyer being funded to defend a nasty criminal, he’s just doing his job, yet with some inappropriate word choices. JMO

HCW will have locked up many paedophiles, rapists & child murderers but IMO it’s slightly different given the gravity of this case & the spotlight cast upon him. IMO there’s no punishment harsh enough for people like CB, but I think that ‘hatred’ or anger is not a factor in a clinical & systematic investigation.

I also have some issues with some of HCW’s statements, not about their content but about how & when he makes them. I do think HCA has been more professional than FF but IMO he should be because he’s fronting a huge operation whereas FF is speaking for a team of 4 or 5.

 

[Pixie Child]

When I looked up ‘hurtcore’, I came across mention of ‘Daisy’s Destruction’, possibly the most famous torture paedo movie. I couldn’t help but think of:

(I might be spending too much time here.)

 

[sil1979holland]

Latest HCW comments
“The search was at least partially successful. We found a lot of things, objects that look like garbage at first glance. But they can be important for us,"



"Why we decided to search specifically in this area and what we hoped for from it should remain our secret for the moment,"



"Meanwhile it has become known that our suspect had a special relationship with the place,"

Hi, im new to this, English is not my birth language...i think it s strange . .. this happened so many years ago...how is it possible that after so many years things show up as " garbage '?
Normal garbige is disposed in a short time...

 

[Tekno]

Great point! I listened to a podcast and they commented that some of Fulscher’s words made him sound like ‘a cliche bond villain’ - I agree. But ultimately he’s a lawyer being funded to defend a nasty criminal, he’s just doing his job, yet with some inappropriate word choices. JMO

HCW will have locked up many paedophiles, rapists & child murderers but IMO it’s slightly different given the gravity of this case & the spotlight cast upon him. IMO there’s no punishment harsh enough for people like CB, but I think that ‘hatred’ or anger is not a factor in a clinical & systematic investigation.

I also have some issues with some of HCW’s statements, not about their content but about how & when he makes them. I do think HCA has been more professional than FF but IMO he should be because he’s fronting a huge operation whereas FF is speaking for a team of 4 or 5.

Which podcast was that, please Frank?

 

[Lilly b]

When I looked up ‘hurtcore’, I came across mention of ‘Daisy’s Destruction’, possibly the most famous torture paedo movie. I couldn’t help but think of:

(I might be spending too much time here. LOL)

What a coincidence, id never heard of such thing, that's an interesting find

 

[Tekno]

When I looked up ‘hurtcore’, I came across mention of ‘Daisy’s Destruction’, possibly the most famous torture paedo movie. I couldn’t help but think of:

(I might be spending too much time here.)

Good spot, Pixie!

 

[JB1510]

What a coincidence, id never heard of such thing, that's an interesting find

That is extremely creepy, very interesting @Pixie Child

 

[frank-cole]

Which podcast was that, please Frank?

Crime Junkies

 

[Okapi]

Hi, im new to this, English is not my birth language...i think it s strange . .. this happened so many years ago...how is it possible that after so many years things show up as " garbage '?
Normal garbige is disposed in a short time...

I think it means things and litter abandoned on the site.

 

[frank-cole]

Hi, im new to this, English is not my birth language...i think it s strange . .. this happened so many years ago...how is it possible that after so many years things show up as " garbage '?
Normal garbige is disposed in a short time...

Many things take decades or more to biodegrade. HCW noted that the items initially looked like garbage but might actually be of some use. It’s a real wait & see IMO

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Play games?! I can understand it as tactical behaviors on both sides but we are not in a schoolyard...I hate you, you hate me...
CB was accused of murdering a child! All world's eyes on him. If he is innocent couldn't he "easily" inform police or put a statement through his lawyer about his name being unfairly dragged through the mud when he was innocent and could prove it.
But no, according to his lawyer you could order "a holy drink in hell" before CB would cooperate with the prosecutors.

On HCW side, I even can't imagine what he and BKA probably felt when they saw all those photos and chats, texts, his "belongings", testimonies about his depraved world and his sexual crimes during the investigation. And how he may has been escaping and avoiding being caught. They are humans too. JMO

We’ve covered the legal reasons for him not to provide an alibi many, many times.

Your original point was why CB was taunting the prosecutors. I put forward a suggestion that there is perhaps ill feeling between them and CB. Additionally, what else is he going to do in solitary confinement for 23 hours per day? Understandable behaviour IMO.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Many things take decades or more to biodegrade. HCW noted that the items initially looked like garbage but might actually be of some use. It’s a real wait & see IMO

Or with HCW, wait and wait and not see

 

[onemoremiletogo]

We’ve covered the legal reasons for him not to provide an alibi many, many times.

Your original point was why CB was taunting the prosecutors. I put forward a suggestion that there is perhaps ill feeling between them and CB. Additionally, what else is he going to do in solitary confinement for 23 hours per day? Understandable behaviour IMO.

The legal standpoint, his innocuous "excuse", but move on.
IMO if CB is innocent and he had a solid alibi for the 3rd, I don't believe we would have got to where we are now.

The second sentence: my point was not why but his preference to taunt prosecutors considering he is innocent.
...what else is he going to do...Understandable...honestly, for me this is beyond comment.

 

[frank-cole]

Or with HCW, wait and wait and not see

Or with HCW, wait and wait and not see

Disagree & I can’t relate. The hostility towards HCW seems unnecessary. Typically, the hostility rises depending on whether his statements contradict a persons theory. It’s important to realise that he’s not a rogue prosecutor & a 1 man investigative team. In reality he’s speaking on behalf of a major investigation. I’m glad all LEA’s are working together & are making efforts to search for Madeleine. I think the searches are a good thing, it shows progression. JMO

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The legal standpoint, his innocuous "excuse", but move on.
IMO if CB is innocent and he had a solid alibi for the 3rd, I don't believe we would have got to where we are now.

The second sentence: my point was not why but his preference to taunt prosecutors considering he is innocent.
...what else is he going to do...Understandable...honestly, for me this is beyond comment.

It’s okay if we have different views.

IMO, it’s obvious CB’s legal team are advising him not to talk to the prosecutors until they charge him.

CB has been moved to a higher security (German Alcatraz if you believe tabloid nonsense) prison and is in solitary confinement, apparently for 23 hours a day.

It also seems likely that there is a mutual dislike between CB and the prosecution team.

Given these three points, I stand by my statement that it’s understandable that he taunts the prosecutors in the media.

Let’s be honest, the prosecutors have taunted him in the media by accusing him of child murder and not charging him for it.

Please answer why it is reasonable for the prosecutors to do that and for CB not to respond?

 

[Lyall0814]

The legal standpoint, his innocuous "excuse", but move on.
IMO if CB is innocent and he had a solid alibi for the 3rd, I don't believe we would have got to where we are now.

The second sentence: my point was not why but his preference to taunt prosecutors considering he is innocent.
...what else is he going to do...Understandable...honestly, for me this is beyond comment.

Very difficult I think to provide an alibi when you don't know precisely what it is they think you've done. Eventually - after all the posturing and teasing on TV and in the papers - they can only accuse you of doing what they think they can prove. But until they do actually accuse you of something definite you won't have any idea what time/location you need to provide an alibi for.

(Providing an alibi for the evening of May 3rd is no use at all if they have no intention of charging him with abduction anyway. If they can't prove he did that they can't charge him with it. HCW has rarely - if ever? - talked about abduction/kidnapping? He only mentions murder)

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Disagree & I can’t relate. The hostility towards HCW seems unnecessary. Typically, the hostility rises depending on whether his statements contradict a persons theory. It’s important to realise that he’s not a rogue prosecutor & a 1 man investigative team. In reality he’s speaking on behalf of a major investigation. I’m glad all LEA’s are working together & are making efforts to search for Madeleine. I think the searches are a good thing, it shows progression. JMO

In fairness, I did put an emoji after it but it didn’t come through - it was tongue in cheek.

HCW did say the investigation would run for two more months in around July 2020. IMO, he (and the investigative team) has a lot form for over promising and under delivering. JMO.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Very difficult I think to provide an alibi when you don't know precisely what it is they think you've done. Eventually - after all the posturing and teasing on TV and in the papers - they can only accuse you of doing what they think they can prove. But until they do actually accuse you of something definite you won't have any idea what time/location you need to provide an alibi for.

CB knows that there is an investigation under way into him. This is not limited to MM or the five crimes he was charged for - it’s for anything they can connect to him.

In this scenario, why people think he should waive his legal rights and protection is beyond me. It’s been explicitly stated (I agree with somewhat dramatic effect) by his highly qualified lawyer. Obviously, very obviously, they need to have the exact allegations detailed for specific charged crimes so that they can respond accordingly or CB risks incriminating himself for other potential crimes.

I don’t think it matters how many times or how many explanations are provided, someone people expect CB and his legal team to intentionally harm their own case - it’s crazy IMO.

 

[Mex]

We’ve covered the legal reasons for him not to provide an alibi many, many times.

Your original point was why CB was taunting the prosecutors. I put forward a suggestion that there is perhaps ill feeling between them and CB. Additionally, what else is he going to do in solitary confinement for 23 hours per day? Understandable behaviour IMO.

Evidence works both ways for individuals who are persons of interest and arguidos in a criminal investigation.

Quite often such persons are released from custody as a result of

1. There not being sufficient evidence to indict
2. There being irrefutable evidence which makes it impossible for the suspect to have committed the crime even by proxy

The fact that CB remains the prime suspect after a period of years, suggests that in his instance, neither of the get out of jail clauses mentioned above are applicable.
My opinion

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Evidence works both ways for individuals who are persons of interest and arguidos in a criminal investigation.

Quite often such persons are released from custody as a result of

1. There not being sufficient evidence to indict
2. There being irrefutable evidence which makes it impossible for the suspect to have committed the crime even by proxy

The fact that CB remains the prime suspect after a period of years, suggests that in his instance, neither of the get out of jail clauses mentioned above are applicable.
My opinion

How is this relevant to CB not providing an alibi or him taunting prosecutors?

He is in prison for another crime insufficient evidence or evidence that exonerates him will not change this. No matter what evidence there is (or isn’t) the prosecution can maintain his suspect status. Why would they change it, they are heavily invested in trying to prove he is guilty but, to date, they can’t.