Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #36

[RichardKimble]

Others are carrying the story.

Madeleine McCann news – latest: Soil from reservoir compared to samples from prime suspect’s van​

Madeleine McCann news – latest: Soil from reservoir compared to samples from prime suspect’s van

Detectives comparing soil believe they have a good chance of putting main suspect at reservoir days after Maddy vanished

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[RichardKimble]

Good old source appears.

Officials now believe they can prove that Brueckner’s van was in the area at the time the three-year-old was abducted , sources told The Daily Mirror.

Police gives update after reservoir search in Madeleine McCann disappearance case

Large section of Barragem do Arade reservoir was cordoned off in May, about 30 miles from where three-year-old Madeleine went missing in Praia da Luz 16 years ago

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Megnut]

And this article highlights this

Madeleine McCann suspect broke into barmaid's flat through window

His ex-girlfriend told of his disturbing jealous rages and how he once hid under the bed

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Eerie.

It does raise the spectre -- if CB is responsible, that he was already in the bedroom when parents checked on the children. Monster behind the door, monster under the bed.

A close call like that might invigorate a monster of a man.

I see him as a reign of terror. It's the terror he's addicted to.

Jmo

 

[Davieson]

Good old source appears.

Officials now believe they can prove that Brueckner’s van was in the area at the time the three-year-old was abducted , sources told The Daily Mirror.

Police gives update after reservoir search in Madeleine McCann disappearance case

Large section of Barragem do Arade reservoir was cordoned off in May, about 30 miles from where three-year-old Madeleine went missing in Praia da Luz 16 years ago

www.independent.co.uk

Nothing of substance there. Detectives believe this, officials believe that. If soil samples match. Etc etc etc

 

[frank-cole]

Making this my last post unless there are any actual developments, just because I feel it significantly misrepresents my position (if it was aimed at me)

I have no idea what evidence HCW has, but agree the institution has to be given the benefit of the doubt.

Where I disagree with most posters, is that 'concrete evidence' means he definitely has evidence like a photo. It can easily mean he simply has the testimony of witnesses.

IMO the failure to prosecute, and expanding timescales, based on the prosecutor's own estimates, don't suggest a strong case. Rather obviously.

Of course you can come up with elaborate strategies for why it takes so long but in my highly overvalued opinion that is not how prosecutors work. They prosecute their best cases on the biggest charges, as soon as they reasonable can.

Hopefully HCW will now hall of fame this as a dumb post by dropping charges today!

02c etc

My post certainly wasn’t aimed at you - nobody in particular really. It was just a follow on observation & an example, in agreement with whoever I replied to.

When there are so many yet-to-be knowns there are so many ways to interpret communications. I should probably have been a little more subtle with my point, on reflection I think I was too bold with it.

IMO the case won’t be dropped. I think that if they were going to drop it they’d have done w year or 2 ago. They’re not dropping this for a reason. That said, the fact they haven’t dropped it can lead to 2 polarising arguments. akin to either - ‘they don’t have enough & now they’re reaching’ or ‘they’re confirming that this case is not going to be dropped, therefore they must be certain’

I always enjoy reading your comments & I think your opinions are really well put.

Thank you

 

[Pixie Child]

Good old source appears.

Officials now believe they can prove that Brueckner’s van was in the area at the time the three-year-old was abducted , sources told The Daily Mirror.

Police gives update after reservoir search in Madeleine McCann disappearance case

Large section of Barragem do Arade reservoir was cordoned off in May, about 30 miles from where three-year-old Madeleine went missing in Praia da Luz 16 years ago

www.independent.co.uk

They seem to have found something in the van (possibly pyjama fibres mixed with soil) so that they want to link the soil to him.

It will be difficult to link cotton fibres to MM’s pyjamas. But they can create a narrative of his going somewhere secluded in the days after 3/5.

 

[Megnut]

Speculation: what if they have a photo of a  living funeral pyre but it's only recently they've been able to geolocate it -- and they were there trying to find anything to link CB and MM.

Difficult because she had baby bones, baby teeth, no bra buckles, no shoe aglets, not even a button to leave behind...

I believe CB is responsible for her disappearance. I believe he's taunting LE and the public and MM's parents because he can. And because he delights in it.

I don't think he's any kind of criminal mastermind. No, he is not the perfect perpetrator. It could be argued, however, that in MM he found the perfect victim. Portable (steal her with one hand), sustainable (for days) and (I hate myself for saying it) almost entirely biodegradable.

If there is so much as a mere fiber of her precious, sweet, innocent pajamas to be found, please may they find it.

This is game to him.

But she was a real person, with a real life she deserved to stay living in, and with a real lifetime ahead of her.

That's what I weep for.

jmo

 

[SuperdadV8]

They seem to have found something in the van (possibly pyjama fibres mixed with soil) so that they want to link the soil to him.

It will be difficult to link cotton fibres to MM’s pyjamas. But they can create a narrative of his going somewhere secluded in the days after 3/5.

Just soil wouldn't bring them further imo. It would prove nothing more, than CB frequented the area. His solicitors wouldn't deny something, that is obvious.

They were looking for bone fragments, or other things, he might have dug at the site and could be linked to him.

Pretty obvious, that they try to pin him on footage like pictures of MM together with the van. He might have acted alone. So no footage of him and MM. Just him taking pictures of MM and the van.

Forensics of MM at a place she has been pictured, together with a vehicle he used, maybe seem to be sufficient circumstancial evidence to charge.

 

[Megnut]

Just soil wouldn't bring them further imo. It would prove nothing more, than CB frequented the area. His solicitors wouldn't deny something, that is obvious.

They were looking for bone fragments, or other things, he might have dug at the site and could be linked to him.

Pretty obvious, that they try to pin him on footage like pictures of MM together with the van. He might have acted alone. So no footage of him and MM. Just him taking pictures of MM and the van.

Forensics of MM at a place she has been pictured, together with a vehicle he used, maybe seem to be sufficient circumstancial evidence to charge.

I think that is a matter of laying circumstantial evidence one over another, not as 1:1 as a photo of him with his vehicle, a photo with her with his vehicle. Stretching the inference -- photo of him with his vehicle, photo of his vehicle at a site, photo of her at the site. You can get there. But you have to follow the linkage....

For me, solid linkage would be enough proof that he did it, it just might fall short of the BARD required to bring him to trial.

So, if that's where they're at investigatively, then IMO they are looking for any, every and all possible linkages in order to bolster the inference.

JMO

 

[Pixie Child]

Just soil wouldn't bring them further imo. It would prove nothing more, than CB frequented the area. His solicitors wouldn't deny something, that is obvious.

They were looking for bone fragments, or other things, he might have dug at the site and could be linked to him.

Pretty obvious, that they try to pin him on footage like pictures of MM together with the van. He might have acted alone. So no footage of him and MM. Just him taking pictures of MM and the van.

Forensics of MM at a place she has been pictured, together with a vehicle he used, maybe seem to be sufficient circumstancial evidence to charge.

For sure they were looking for cremains and more.

But I wonder whether the van soil contains burnt cotton fibres or if the soil itself shows signs of body decomposition (increased PH/mites).

 

[SuperdadV8]

I think that is a matter of laying circumstantial evidence one over another, not as 1:1 as a photo of him with his vehicle, a photo with her with his vehicle. Stretching the inference -- photo of him with his vehicle, photo of his vehicle at a site, photo of her at the site. You can get there. But you have to follow the linkage....

For me, solid linkage would be enough proof that he did it, it just might fall short of the BARD required to bring him to trial.

So, if that's where they're at investigatively, then IMO they are looking for any, every and all possible linkages in order to bolster the inference.

JMO

I know what you mean! HCW told very early about the lack of forensics. And i'm convinced, that it doesn't make him happy.

FF confessed very early about his client being a notorious burglar in and around PDL. So even CB's DNA at 5A isn't more, than just a clue.

Even if the soil in the JAG and the T3 would match, what does it prove? CB being at Arade. FF, JS, CB would never deny, CB had been there. It's nothing more than circumstancial evidence.

But they need to prove murder. Wells have been searched in Portugal, allottments in Germany, now camping sites at Arade.

They are looking for traces of the poor little girl, thats for sure imo.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Traces of bone, teeth, clothing.

As i learned today, there is even a possibility to extract traces of DNA from fibres, that have been dumped into water, for decades.

Pretty wise guy in my opinion and he's got my profoundest respect in his concerns, without being that kind of anxious in the end by myself.

At last even he has to admit, not to know what the prosecutors know, so i'm not going to be that kind of sceptic.

But he really gives a good insight about the circumstances, that might have led to the investigations that have been carried out at Arade.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-bleksley-a1137825

 

[Okapi]

Traces of bone, teeth, clothing.

As i learned today, there is even a possibility to extract traces of DNA from fibres, that have been dumped into water, for decades.

Pretty wise guy in my opinion and he's got my profoundest respect in his concerns, without being that kind of anxious in the end by myself.

At last even he has to admit, not to know what the prosecutors know, so i'm not going to be that kind of sceptic.

But he really gives a good insight about the circumstances, that might have led to the investigations that have been carried out at Arade.

Fair comment (from ~5:40 into the clip) on HCW’s media statements saying with authority that MM was killed by CB. This former detective saying it jeopardises a fair trial for CB and therefore jeopardises justice for all.
“My huge concern is that should Mr B- ever be charged in connection with M-‘s disappearance, that a smart barrister could rock back on his heels and say to the judge “It’s impossible for my client to get a fair trial.” And I fear he might be right. B- (who has not been charged, let us all remember that, he has not been charged with any crime in connection with M-‘s disappearance, as I speak) could simply walk away from court a free man.”

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Fair comment (from ~5:40 into the clip) on HCW’s media statements saying with authority that MM was killed by CB. This former detective saying it jeopardises a fair trial for CB and therefore jeopardises justice for all.
“My huge concern is that should Mr B- ever be charged in connection with M-‘s disappearance, that a smart barrister could rock back on his heels and say to the judge “It’s impossible for my client to get a fair trial.” And I fear he might be right. B- (who has not been charged, let us all remember that, he has not been charged with any crime in connection with M-‘s disappearance, as I speak) could simply walk away from court a free man.”

While some of it is certainly a difference in legal systems, I can’t see what benefit claiming CB is a murderer has for the investigation.

IMO, it’s either to make CB uncomfortable or, to compel people who may have known him to come forward because CB is a very bad person.

The downside to this is if the evidence to charge CB is never found. That would be a sad state to leave this matter in.

 

[RichardKimble]

I'd venture the same kind of insight would have been given to the searches in 2014, we know how that went.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Fair comment (from ~5:40 into the clip) on HCW’s media statements saying with authority that MM was killed by CB. This former detective saying it jeopardises a fair trial for CB and therefore jeopardises justice for all.
“My huge concern is that should Mr B- ever be charged in connection with M-‘s disappearance, that a smart barrister could rock back on his heels and say to the judge “It’s impossible for my client to get a fair trial.” And I fear he might be right. B- (who has not been charged, let us all remember that, he has not been charged with any crime in connection with M-‘s disappearance, as I speak) could simply walk away from court a free man.”

"Could simply walk away from court as a free man" ...

...because of being named as the prime suspect in a famous case sounds more like a myth, than being reality within the german judicial system!

But the rest of his assessment sounds good.

 

[RichardKimble]

Worth a visit sometimes 2020 when Wolters announced the suspect, when you look at what he said and to where it's at now, no new evidence as emerged that can lead to a charge imo, 3 years ago they were asking for info on where CB had resided, camping by a reservoir might be classed as an abode, it's remains and only remains that will advance it.JMO.

Madeleine McCann: German prosecutor has 'evidence' British girl is dead

Hans Christian Wolters said police need information about where the new suspect has lived so they can search for the girl's body.

news.sky.com

"All indications we have got that I can't tell you point in the direction that Madeleine is dead.

"We got things we cannot communicate that speak for the theory that Madeleine is dead, even if I have to admit that we don't have the body."

"At the moment we also don't have enough proof for a trial at court, but we have some evidence that the suspect has done the deed.

"That's why we need more information from people, especially places he has lived so we can target these places especially and search there for Madeleine."

 

[Davieson]

Good old source appears.

Officials now believe they can prove that Brueckner’s van was in the area at the time the three-year-old was abducted , sources told The Daily Mirror.

Police gives update after reservoir search in Madeleine McCann disappearance case

Large section of Barragem do Arade reservoir was cordoned off in May, about 30 miles from where three-year-old Madeleine went missing in Praia da Luz 16 years ago

www.independent.co.uk

Would that before or after the event? Can they tell?

 

[RichardKimble]

Would that before or after the event? Can they tell?

Exactly, means nothing unless CB denies being there but with the publicity, he's had plenty of time to think it through if ever its put to his legal team.