Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #36

[RichardKimble]

Would that before or after the event? Can they tell?

I can't find the mirror article from whence it came, anyone?

 

[RichardKimble]

Good old source appears.

Officials now believe they can prove that Brueckner’s van was in the area at the time the three-year-old was abducted , sources told The Daily Mirror.

Police gives update after reservoir search in Madeleine McCann disappearance case

Large section of Barragem do Arade reservoir was cordoned off in May, about 30 miles from where three-year-old Madeleine went missing in Praia da Luz 16 years ago

www.independent.co.uk

it's a rehash of a mirror article from earlier in the month imo.

Madeleine McCann cops testing key evidence for link to suspect's camper van

Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann think they have a good chance of proving Christian Bruckner's VW camper van was at the reservoir

www.mirror.co.uk

Mirror article.4/6/2023

Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann think they have a good chance of proving Christian Bruckner's VW camper van was at the reservoir.

Independent article.15/06/2023.


Detectives comparing soil believe they have a good chance of putting main suspect at reservoir days after Maddy vanished.

 

[Dave55]

MWT:
The former detective said the prisoner agreed to talk to him in person before the prison authorities blocked them from meeting.

"We have since been in contact at length in writing and he has explained his position to me in detail.

"He has told me exactly where he was on the night Madeleine disappeared — and that he was not where the police say he was. He also insists that he is entirely innocent.

"My inquiries have unearthed evidence which is pretty explosive, but I’m not saying whether I believe what he told me. That’s for viewers to judge."

MWT may be many things but a bare-faced liar? Obviously some are prepared to entertain the idea in order to support CB’s position.

MWT was pu

There is an article but you have to register before you can read it. Is it worth it I ask myself as it'll contain nothing we don't already know.

Would that before or after the event? Can they tell?

Unless they can date when CB was there from the soil.,.if they can place Maddie there..post abduction...a photo,.....then what

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[Davieson]

I think there's too much hope being pinned on imaginary photos and what they might show

 

[Dave55]

MWT was pu



Unless they can date when CB was there from the soil.,.if they can place Maddie there..post abduction...a photo,.....then what

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I think there's too much hope being pinned on imaginary photos and what they might show

Its not a matter of hope but thinking of something that fits. There may or may not be a photo but it fits with everything Wolters has said. Why does he openly admit no DNA.,.but is unwilling to answer the photo question.

 

[Megnut]

MWT was pu



Unless they can date when CB was there from the soil.,.if they can place Maddie there..post abduction...a photo,.....then what

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I have to believe it's for layers of inference.

IMO they can't yet establish a direct, definitive, convictable link between CB and MM. But it does seem they are putting together a case by association. MM at a location. CB's known (sadistic) behaviors. The van. The reservoir. The soil. Photographic evidence of some sort. Perhaps some corroborating witness testimony, not tying CB directly to MM maybe but tying any of the above pieces together.

I imagine it like a jigsaw puzzle. You take two random pieces, one is predominately blue, the other green. They don't correspond. Yellow piece offers no insight. But eventually you have enough disparate pieces a picture begins to emerge.

I think they have such a picture, enough that CB is the guy, MM was within his control, she suffered at his hands, it was not survivable.

MM may not be findable. No body cases are hard.... but not impossible. If a fiber from his van matches a fiber in a reservoir pit and it's consistent with the fibers of the pajamas MM went missing in... you've got solid probable cause...

If any of the puzzle pieces came from questionable sources, LE has to find parallel ways to bolster it because, as we know, an arrest without conviction slaps justice in the face. We want BARD. You take away even a couple pieces in a no-body puzzle (because they get thrown out at trial, because the source is sketchy or the science controversial), you might not have enough of the whole picture to bring a case to conviction.

I hate to think that that poor baby died (in the company of someone with CB's résumé, in such a beautiful place in such a brutal way, probably calling out for her mommy and daddy who couldn't hear her cries) thinking no one could save her. I don't want her little spirit to think she's been forgotten.

Is there any possibility her own family left that shrine? After receiving enough intel from LE about that location and what likely happened, enough that they felt compelled to make the journey there and "bring her home" in order to lay her symbolically to rest? Meet her there, in the last place she was probably ever alive...

Their grief isn't even imaginable but I perceive a recent wave of peace...and that might explain it.

They have enough pieces of the puzzle.

Jmo

 

[Lyall0814]

Its not a matter of hope but thinking of something that fits. There may or may not be a photo but it fits with everything Wolters has said. Why does he openly admit no DNA.,.but is unwilling to answer the photo question.

I don't think you really want to know the answer (a possible answer at least) to that question.

(if he answers every question honestly the sparsity of the evidence becomes too obvious)

 

[SuperdadV8]

Is there any possibility her own family left that shrine? After receiving enough intel from LE about that location and what likely happened, enough that they felt compelled to make the journey there and "bring her home" in order to lay her symbolically to rest? Meet her there, in the last place she was probably ever alive...

Interesting thought, but not very likely imo...

Police searched reservoir in Madeleine case after shrine seen there

EXCLUSIVE: The couple, who have asked to be named only as Ralf and Ann, were so disturbed by what they saw they took pictures and sent them to Portuguese detectives but never heard back.

www.google.com

 

[onemoremiletogo]

I think there's too much hope being pinned on imaginary photos and what they might show

Still hope they might have, but some doubts if all this is "only" inherence and autonomous corroboration of testimonies and autobiographic texts, chat messages. Hope not.

 

[quiza]

I imagine it has already been posted earlier, but are these rocks at the vigil the same used as markers in the area that was recently searched?
I recall there being some curiously placed rocks in photos from an earlier post but can't find them now

 

[Okapi]

I imagine it has already been posted earlier, but are these rocks at the vigil the same used as markers in the area that was recently searched?
I recall there being some curiously placed rocks in photos from an earlier post but can't find them now

I don’t know quiza, but just discovered this reference by complete coincidence.

‘Uniformed and plain-clothed officers spent a number of hours scouring the scrubland, using pickaxes and inspecting small rocks with rakes and spades.’

Madeleine McCann police digging near reservoir - BBC News

Officers search an area in Portugal about 30 miles from where the toddler went missing 16 years ago.

www.bbc.com

ETA sorry! Fat fingers and posted before I added the link.

Anyway, I can understand seeking soil samples, but why would they be inspecting rocks? Unless perhaps they suspected or had intel that the rocks were markers.

 

[Okapi]

I have to believe it's for layers of inference.

IMO they can't yet establish a direct, definitive, convictable link between CB and MM. But it does seem they are putting together a case by association. MM at a location. CB's known (sadistic) behaviors. The van. The reservoir. The soil. Photographic evidence of some sort. Perhaps some corroborating witness testimony, not tying CB directly to MM maybe but tying any of the above pieces together.

I imagine it like a jigsaw puzzle. You take two random pieces, one is predominately blue, the other green. They don't correspond. Yellow piece offers no insight. But eventually you have enough disparate pieces a picture begins to emerge.

I think they have such a picture, enough that CB is the guy, MM was within his control, she suffered at his hands, it was not survivable.

MM may not be findable. No body cases are hard.... but not impossible. If a fiber from his van matches a fiber in a reservoir pit and it's consistent with the fibers of the pajamas MM went missing in... you've got solid probable cause...

If any of the puzzle pieces came from questionable sources, LE has to find parallel ways to bolster it because, as we know, an arrest without conviction slaps justice in the face. We want BARD. You take away even a couple pieces in a no-body puzzle (because they get thrown out at trial, because the source is sketchy or the science controversial), you might not have enough of the whole picture to bring a case to conviction.

I hate to think that that poor baby died (in the company of someone with CB's résumé, in such a beautiful place in such a brutal way, probably calling out for her mommy and daddy who couldn't hear her cries) thinking no one could save her. I don't want her little spirit to think she's been forgotten.

Is there any possibility her own family left that shrine? After receiving enough intel from LE about that location and what likely happened, enough that they felt compelled to make the journey there and "bring her home" in order to lay her symbolically to rest? Meet her there, in the last place she was probably ever alive...

Their grief isn't even imaginable but I perceive a recent wave of peace...and that might explain it.

They have enough pieces of the puzzle.

Jmo

I recall JG using the jigsaw metaphor to explain how the case was being investigated.

‘“This jigsaw is coming together there are some pieces missing and if the public are now prompted, if there is someone who has held something back suddenly realises how important the little piece of information they have is and comes forward they might bring those last pieces together."’

Madeleine McCann: German suspect profiled by former NI cop Gamble ... 'an end could be in sight' for heartbroken parents Gerry and Kate

A former Northern Ireland detective who has played a central role in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann said the latest developments in the case bring him such hope he believes an end could be in sight for her heartbroken family.

m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Also:

‘But Gamble believes that even if they find the "smallest, minuscule fragment of bone" new DNA advances would produce an identity.’

Maddie cop says subtle new clue from police shows 'they clearly know something'

Speaking to the Mirror hours after fresh searches for Madeleine McCann began in Portugal, Jim Gamble said he is confident we will find out what has happened to the missing Brit

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Trivento]

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All the best to this brave lady HB .

 

[Okapi]

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All the best to this brave lady HB .

She’s an amazing lady. She was a local councillor for a few years, and IIRC this was before she came forward publicly about the attack. A true public-spirited person. I hope she has her day in court.

 

[misty48]

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All the best to this brave lady HB .

How very, very sad that yet another young woman was blamed by PJ for being raped.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

I just wish I could have got the Portuguese police to do their actual jobs at the time, as if they had, Diana would not have been raped, and Madeleine would be alive today. And maybe others.

Algarve's PJ, that team, in the 00s, infinity shame. Irrecoverable.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I don't think you really want to know the answer (a possible answer at least) to that question.

(if he answers every question honestly the sparsity of the evidence becomes too obvious)

I share the same view. If HCW tells the true story then it’s straightforward that the case isn’t great. I think CB already knows this.

 

[misty48]

From the images shown of the searches at Arade dam, am I right in thinking that CB would not have been able to park his V/W in the actual clearing where he built his den?
If Madeleine was transported to that place, was she alive or dead when she arrived and what effect would that have had on the forensic search?

 

[Okapi]

From the images shown of the searches at Arade dam, am I right in thinking that CB would not have been able to park his V/W in the actual clearing where he built his den?
If Madeleine was transported to that place, was she alive or dead when she arrived and what effect would that have had on the forensic search?

Possibly Misty. This article quotes a friend who said CB liked to park as close as possible to the lake.

Inside Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Bruckner's sinister 'camp'

Christian Brueckner would camp in the Barragem do Arade reservoir, where cops last week searched for clues in Madeline McCann's disappearance. He built a makeshift camp and circle out of stones.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I presume if MM was alive or perished at this location, LE will be seeking dna. If her body was disposed of here, they are likely seeking bone or teeth fragments, or possibly evidence of incineration, as pp have suggested.

 

[RichardKimble]

JC reckons on an Autumn trial for the 5 charges, has jurisdiction been sorted?