Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #4

[peanutJelly]

A british tourist staying at the Ocean Club when Madeleine disappeared said there were 2 blonde men around the area the day it happened. These men might be Martin Ney and Christian B.

My thoughts exactly

 

[Kiranerys]

oh completely

Most of that trafficking stuff is urban myth. Human trafficking does exist of course, but no one is stealing 3 year old kids to order from holiday resorts.

Out of interest, this is the precise theory of the case developed by Mark Harrison for the PJ in 2007

Most likely the child was killed swiftly and concealed locally.

Abduction cases frequently have up to 3 crime scenes. The abduction scene, then an hidden crime scene where the abductor takes the victim - this is a place the abductor controls, and then the dumping ground where the body is either dumped or concealed.

IMO the case will never be resolved unless the dumping ground is located.

I wonder if CB had access to a boat?

 

[Owlpellet]

DBM

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

According to MSM from May 2019, Ney was in PdL when MM was.

 

[Owlpellet]

According to MSM from May 2019, Ney was in PdL when MM was.

Yes, I deleted my post. There seems to be a lot of contradictory information around and I think the consensus is that Ney travelled widely, including to Portugal

 

[Tim N]

One of the e-fits released looks just like Martin Ney

having an accomplice and /or a decoy would be some seriously good planning..but maybe one of experienced abductors who have literally thought of everything..not something that normal people would do.

 

[Tim N]

Maybe im posting too much on this but its super interesting...and absolutely abhorrent..
I think that despite all the 'vampires in Santa Clara', the evidence that we've seen could lead to a single, f***** up unit. CB.
e can string together a theory of either a wider group or him as an individual, although its easier to make a case for him alone..(at least as the abductor/killer)..based on what we know.

 

[Kiranerys]

having an accomplice and /or a decoy would be some seriously good planning..but maybe one of experienced abductors who have literally thought of everything..not something that normal people would do.

Yes,and I'm sure Ney would have been dismissed as a suspect in this case due to his taste being boys,kind of perfect team really!

 

[Kiranerys]

Maybe im posting too much on this but its super interesting...and absolutely abhorrent..
I think that despite all the 'vampires in Santa Clara', the evidence that we've seen could lead to a single, f***** up unit. CB.
e can string together a theory of either a wider group or him as an individual, although its easier to make a case for him alone..(at least as the abductor)..based on what we know.

Maybe the Frog brothers could have solved this one

 

[Tim N]

oh completely

Most of that trafficking stuff is urban myth. Human trafficking does exist of course, but no one is stealing 3 year old kids to order from holiday resorts.

Out of interest, this is the precise theory of the case developed by Mark Harrison for the PJ in 2007

Most likely the child was killed swiftly and concealed locally.

Abduction cases frequently have up to 3 crime scenes. The abduction scene, then an hidden crime scene where the abductor takes the victim - this is a place the abductor controls, and then the dumping ground where the body is either dumped or concealed.

IMO the case will never be resolved unless the dumping ground is located.

This, I think, is as good an argument as any. The wider group could be organised, or just a wider group. may have got some help. But the absence of income in between events makes me think that there's room to budge on the individual theory. That and the may 28th sighting...if credible and i believe that it was..

 

[Tim N]

Maybe the Frog brothers could have solved this one

all we need to do is find the boss. ..Do we know if Ney came of cash or lived a lifestyle that didnt align to his claimed job?

 

[Tim N]

It's interesting that despite DNA being a probability (a very small one, but nothing certain nonetheless) that often breakthroughs cases, other probability doesnt, yet could yield results that make DNA look like darts at a dart board.
Neither can convict. In the past, probability was used to convict, properly and improperly. Now the concept is viewed as risky.
That's why the police say that they know. Because they do. They just cant make it certain..only 99.9999999999999% so.
'we need to be careful that we dont put innocent people behind bars'. ..

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Tim N]

i had a feeling i might be walking the fine line..do the posts get deleted or can i edit them to fit into the rules?..
FWIW ive been putting together a google earth presentation of the timeline..the vicinity of the locations is just hard to believe..its audacious or foolish IMO.

 

[kay74]

i had a feeling i might be walking the fine line..do the posts get deleted or can i edit them to fit into the rules?..

I don't think that was meant for you.

 

[Tim N]

He was in and out of jail in Portugal (see above link) there's every chance he would have come in contact with other sex offenders. imo

i was wondering how he wound up 'amongst it all'...and thought maybe it was via community, but jail makes so much more sense.

 

[Tim N]

No, but he could have simply removed the gloves after leaving the apartment. If CB was involved and this was a planned abduction then surely he would have taken every step to cover his tracks including having a getaway parked very close by, maybe even in the car park outside the apartment.

There was no camera coverage there after all which he would have known. Could it be why he registered the Jag in someone elses name the following day just in case? Perhaps he saw someone notice the car and he became paanoid they might report it?

I just think he'd want to mimimise any exposure, you wouldn't go walking through street after street holding a kidnapped child which makes me doubt the Smith sighting in particular. He may be sick but he's not stupid.

its just become apparent to me that the more i think about it, the more i cant help but think that 'professional' criminals really think through their work..and it could mean avoiding conviction but not avoiding suspicion.

 

[Tim N]

So now the prosecutor is saying 'it's possible he filmed something. Doesn't sound like they have a video
It also makes me wonder about how intelligent and successful as a criminal he is, he doesn't seem to be that good at evading the law!

Maybe he was really really good and had victims every week for 25 years?...and got caught on 20 or so..?..

 

[Mrs Marple]

The elephant in the room here is the opinion of Jane Tanner herself.

Again it's worth pointing out that police simply followed the evidence and murat identification of the primary witness.

Tanner man walked a different route so cannot have been Tottman unless Tanner herself finally agreed with police she had it wrong.

IMO that must have happened and fixes the inherent issues with tanners story

Why on earth anyone blames Met/PJ for this I have no idea

It was Tanner whose confusion sent the early investigation down the wrong path.

JT has always had the finger pointed at her because she can't be right if Gerry and other tennis guy didn't see her. It's not possible. It's this that has possibly led the police to wonder if there was a cover up. She may well be adamant she was right but it doesn't matter. She wasn't.

Madeleine McCann: Parents urge German police to share evidence | Daily Mail Online

So apparently the McCanns do not know what German LE have on CB? Wow!

Not surprised at all. It seems to be a competition now.

The other thing is wilkins and Gerry were talking in the alleyway for a significant period of time and neither of then saw tanner or tannerman

As the corroborate each others evidence and the unlikelihood that wilkins has it wrong, IMO tanner is wrong about both the time and place of her sighting

My personal belief is the group corrupted each others evidence by hot housing the timeline to fit the jigsaw together

I suspect they were a bit drunk and a lot hazy as a result. So they came up with something that looked about right. I'm not sure it matters. There is no DNA and no credible sightings. The only thing is, did someone see something they discarded at the time due to the timeline? Well, we will never know. But l suspect that anyone who saw anything even remotely out of the ordinary would have said something by now, given the way this case has gone.

 

[gitana1]

oh completely

Most of that trafficking stuff is urban myth. Human trafficking does exist of course, but no one is stealing 3 year old kids to order from holiday resorts.

Out of interest, this is the precise theory of the case developed by Mark Harrison for the PJ in 2007

Most likely the child was killed swiftly and concealed locally.

Abduction cases frequently have up to 3 crime scenes. The abduction scene, then an hidden crime scene where the abductor takes the victim - this is a place the abductor controls, and then the dumping ground where the body is either dumped or concealed.

IMO the case will never be resolved unless the dumping ground is located.

Common sense post. Yes. The human trafficking trope ala the movie Taken is absolute nonsense. It’s a myth that arose out of a backlash at the turn of the 19th century as women began working and black people were freed. There was this hysteria that black men would take white women who had gone to cities to work and put them into “white [sex] slavery.”

That myth persists today. All those ridiculous internet stories about hordes of “dusky-skinned” men following women or their children around stores - “I was almost trafficked!” - No. You weren’t.

The reality of sex trafficking is vastly different than little middle class or upper class white women and kids snatched out of their homes or off the street to put up for sale.

It’s about poverty, drugs, abuse, dysfunction, LGBTQ youth, homelessness, etc.

I agree that this won’t be solved without her body. And I think he knew how to dispose of the bodies of his victims. Monstrous. I always wondered if he might have taken her out into the ocean and sunk her.