Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #4

[Loobyloo]

He said he did it and appears to have described in detail how he did it. It's his confession coupled with the fact that he fits that seems to be giving the Germans confidence.

If I'm remembering correctly, he admitted to taking her & claimed that he knew what happened to her. I don't think the confession went further than that, did it?

Here's a possible scenario that fits the accumulated facts:
- CB took her from the apartment
- he filmed whatever happened to her, to create a video to sell, either to order, or via the dark web
- she accidentally died during the abuse

This would correlate with what his ex-girlfriends said about him telling them he had a 'horrible' job to do, that would change his life and mean he had to move away/lie low.
It would also explain how he came into a large sum of money enabling him to buy the disused factory premises.
It would also fit with the chatroom conversation - where he says 'finally' he wants to abuse a child, suggesting he hasn't yet done so himself (though he may have seen it being done). Plus his knowledge of how such abuse might lead to the victim dying (the awful 'deep throat' comment).

German police may have come into possession of that video, from an informant, or from breaking up the ring in 2017, or even from the animal bones USB stick. Maybe they're sure who the victim is, but less sure that CB is the abuser - hence the appeal for anyone who recognises the setting (that beam). If they can link it to one of CB's previous homes, they can be confident he's involved, whether as abuser or as filmer.

Only thinking out loud here & trying to make a picture out of the jigsaw pieces!

 

[Tim N]

If the may sighting was false, then your theory checks out - though his horrible thing to do statement suggests it was a short term proposition as he said that he'd then be out of town for a while..not the words that someone who intends to make web videos over a period of time would make, me thinks.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

66 depraved acts against children and he spent almost no time in jail. What’s wrong with this German system? Even 33 years, 6 months for each child, would have taken him off the streets.
Whether he’s the one or not, for God’s sake put him away for the rest of his life. Deny his appeal. Keep him where he is right now. Figure out who else he terrorized. Try him. Convict him. Throw the key away.
He scares the beegeezus out of me. And I’m thousands of miles away.

 

[Tim N]

66 depraved acts against children and he spent almost no time in jail. What’s wrong with this German system? Even 33 years, 6 months for each child, would have taken him off the streets.
Whether he’s the one or not, for God’s sake put him away for the rest of his life. Deny his appeal. Keep him where he is right now. Figure out who else he terrorized. Try him. Convict him. Throw the key away.
He scares the beegeezus out of me. And I’m thousands of miles away.

It';s frustrating that when its obvious that someone has committed a crime, its not necessarily easy to bring justice. It shouldnt be that way, but its like this due to centuries of tweaks.
I've heard the phrase 'no body, no case' before. Is it really that difficult to convict?

 

[NCanning]

Does anyone know if Martin Ney has been ruled out of this completely? I.e I wonder if they've considered that he might be partially involved

 

[NCanning]

Madeleine McCann suspect dubbed 'Night Walker' for stalking Portugal resort

 

[Marulinka]

If I'm remembering correctly, he admitted to taking her & claimed that he knew what happened to her. I don't think the confession went further than that, did it?

Here's a possible scenario that fits the accumulated facts:
- CB took her from the apartment
- he filmed whatever happened to her, to create a video to sell, either to order, or via the dark web
- she accidentally died during the abuse

This would correlate with what his ex-girlfriends said about him telling them he had a 'horrible' job to do, that would change his life and mean he had to move away/lie low.
It would also explain how he came into a large sum of money enabling him to buy the disused factory premises.
It would also fit with the chatroom conversation - where he says 'finally' he wants to abuse a child, suggesting he hasn't yet done so himself (though he may have seen it being done). Plus his knowledge of how such abuse might lead to the victim dying (the awful 'deep throat' comment).

German police may have come into possession of that video, from an informant, or from breaking up the ring in 2017, or even from the animal bones USB stick. Maybe they're sure who the victim is, but less sure that CB is the abuser - hence the appeal for anyone who recognises the setting (that beam). If they can link it to one of CB's previous homes, they can be confident he's involved, whether as abuser or as filmer.

Only thinking out loud here & trying to make a picture out of the jigsaw pieces!

That is exactly what I am thinking. You managed to summarise really well!

 

[rebel123]

The elephant in the room here is the opinion of Jane Tanner herself.

Again it's worth pointing out that police simply followed the evidence and murat identification of the primary witness.

Tanner man walked a different route so cannot have been Tottman unless Tanner herself finally agreed with police she had it wrong.

IMO that must have happened and fixes the inherent issues with tanners story

Why on earth anyone blames Met/PJ for this I have no idea

It was Tanner whose confusion sent the early investigation down the wrong path.

I don't think so, going with the evidence is great, but the police should go with all the available evidence. CB would have been in the frame from day one simply because of the phone call he received that night. There couldn't have been loads of phone calls at / or near the resort that night. It was also the length of the call, 30 minutes long, had the same energy's gone into investigating the McCann's CB would have been caught long ago. Especially with CB's past history of criminality.

 

[Ardoch]

Madeleine McCann: Parents urge German police to share evidence | Daily Mail Online

So apparently the McCanns do not know what German LE have on CB? Wow!

And that must be agonising for them even although they've been through this before.

 

[Ardoch]

Yes.

It seems the main suspicion against him is the chat, and potential confession statement made in a bar to a friend.

That tipoff lead to a successful prosecution on an unrelated rape case.

Maybe the german prosecutor has more, we don't know.

And I think this is the point that we're at just now.
I'm looking at HCW's statement and the MET's statement and reading something into every word and then 'dipping' into MSM. Something new I've learned too, is that under German law to get a case they have to have more evidence than other countries like UK for eg.
I sincerely hope that the German prosecutor has more, and even if they don't get a case against him in Germany with the amount of evidence they do have that a case against him could be brought about by Portugal or the UK.

 

[Ardoch]

Yes,and I'm sure Ney would have been dismissed as a suspect in this case due to his taste being boys,kind of perfect team really!

That's what I think. I've only read a couple of articles on him and I get the impression he liked to act alone.
The only possible connection with CB is if they met on one of CB's trips to Germany but it's highly unlikely. imo

 

[Ardoch]

I don't think so, going with the evidence is great, but the police should go with all the available evidence. CB would have been in the frame from day one simply because of the phone call he received that night. There couldn't have been loads of phone calls at / or near the resort that night. It was also the length of the call, 30 minutes long, had the same energy's gone into investigating the McCann's CB would have been caught long ago. Especially with CB's past history of criminality.

I'm not fully up to date on the call. Do the police know that a call was made to him and would they have access to the conversation?
And by that I mean technology today and tech then.

 

[Chiatos]

I'm not fully up to date on the call. Do the police know that a call was made to him and would they have access to the conversation?
And by that I mean technology today and tech then.

Police even has the phone number of that call, but claim they don't know who the owner was
I don't think they have access to the conversation though

 

[rebel123]

I'm not fully up to date on the call. Do the police know that a call was made to him and would they have access to the conversation?
And by that I mean technology today and tech then.

They know a call was made to him, the length of the call, the number that called him (his number), the cell towers near the resort would have picked up the approx location of both caller and receiver. The calls were very important at the time. But it seems that they concentrated on the calls the McCanns and their friends made and didn't look beyond that.

Access - unfortunately that technology doesn't exist then or now (purely in the sense that, it would be like big brother watching you). Technically it's possibly, just like tapping a phone line.

 

[Chiatos]

Madeleine McCann suspect dubbed 'Night Walker' for stalking Portugal resort

It says: The German drifter was convicted and jailed for seven years for the attack during which the OAP was gagged, blindfolded, bound up with rope, stripped and lashed with a metal whip at knifepoint by her masked attacker whom she told police "enjoyed torturing me".
What a joke

 

[Ardoch]

They know a call was made to him, the length of the call, the number that called him (his number), the cell towers near the resort would have picked up the approx location of both caller and receiver. The calls were very important at the time. But it seems that they concentrated on the calls the McCanns and their friends made and didn't look beyond that.

Access - unfortunately that technology doesn't exist then or now (purely in the sense that, it would be like big brother watching you). Technically it's possibly, just like tapping a phone line.

Thank you.
The location of the caller and receiver a huge missed opportunity.

 

[rebel123]

When the kiosk was taken over, CB wanted to take the freezer and air-conditioner, but the new owner wouldn't let him have them. CB turned up with some acquaintances (might be worth investigating them), one who had a knife and threaten the new owner of the kiosk.

 

[Ardoch]

I was wondering about what his financial circs around M's abduction.
He'd lived in the farmhouse from the mid 90's to 2006 - around 11 years, which seems quite a long time given his track record. Then he was arrested for the petrol station theft and imprisoned for 9 months; lost the farmhouse and lived in the campervan.
So he was homeless/ no job and had just got out of prison where the poss is always that he could have made contacts there. imo
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner was released from prison months before girl vanished | Daily Mail Online

 

[Ardoch]

When the kiosk was taken over, CB wanted to take the freezer and air-conditioner, but the new owner wouldn't let him have them. CB turned up with some acquaintances (might be worth investigating them), one who had a knife and threaten the new owner of the kiosk.

Is that when he was living in the farmhouse about 50 km away from where IG's body was found?

 

[mrjitty]

Thank you.
The location of the caller and receiver a huge missed opportunity.

How?

He called someone outside the area

How does this suggest guilt?