Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #4

[Chiatos]

How?

He called someone outside the area

How does this suggest guilt?

Has nothing to do with suggesting guilt. Has to do with investigating.

 

[Ardoch]

How?

He called someone outside the area

How does this suggest guilt?

Never suggested guilt. Evidence, either useful or not.

 

[NCanning]

I'm still confused as to why the German police are so active about this case now. If it was 2017 that they were tipped off about the chat in the bar, have they only now sifted through all the evidence and come to a dead end?
Or have they found something, but just need the final piece of the jigsaw?

 

[worldwatcher]

‘German acquaintances who, at his request, emptied Brückner's Portuguese house after he was arrested, stated during the rape process that they had stumbled on two videos. In it, they saw him in rape scenes that seemed "unplayed" to them. Once with an old woman, other times with a young person tied to a wooden pole, the Braunschweiger Zeitung wrote down.

The witnesses also said they saw about a hundred self-burned CDs with labels of "certain sexual practices" including bestialities. A German café friend from Praia stated that he saw three stacks of passports during a visit. "Found during nocturnal walks," said Brückner.’

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Lets hope they find evidence/ “throphy’ showing what happened to Maddie, but he had enough time to get rid of all the evidence.imo

 

[Cherwell]

I don't think so, going with the evidence is great, but the police should go with all the available evidence. CB would have been in the frame from day one simply because of the phone call he received that night. There couldn't have been loads of phone calls at / or near the resort that night. It was also the length of the call, 30 minutes long, had the same energy's gone into investigating the McCann's CB would have been caught long ago. Especially with CB's past history of criminality.

They know a call was made to him, the length of the call, the number that called him (his number), the cell towers near the resort would have picked up the approx location of both caller and receiver. The calls were very important at the time. But it seems that they concentrated on the calls the McCanns and their friends made and didn't look beyond that.

The location of the caller and receiver a huge missed opportunity.

I must be missing something here. Why would the fact that someone made or received a phone call be a cause for suspicion?

 

[Cherwell]

Blown away re the men (tapas group)searching bushes BEFORE Madeleine was declared missing by Kate. Do you have a link please? X

The first thing most people would think in such situation would be that the child had woken up and wandered out to look for the parents. She might even have been hiding, kids do that. So I imagine that's the explanation.

 

[Ardoch]

I must be missing something here. Why would the fact that someone made or received a phone call be a cause for suspicion?

Well my thinking (and I'm not up on communication tech that's why I asked the question upthread) is that if they were able to locate CB to the Ocean Club (or very close) by his call location, then it may tick a few boxes.
I don't think they have - or said they have - info as to his location at the time of M's abduction.

 

[Chiatos]

What were the exact words by Hans Christian Wolters regarding CB?
[3:30 min] "… wegen des Verdachts des Mordes. Daraus können Sie entnehmen dass wir davon ausgehen dass das Mädchen tot ist."
[3:30 min] "… on the suspicion of murder. From this, you can conclude that we take it for granted that the girl is dead." (Translated by me)
See press conference on film (4 June 2020):
Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig geht vom Tod Maddies aus - Panorama - Badische Zeitung

 

[rebel123]

I'm still confused as to why the German police are so active about this case now. If it was 2017 that they were tipped off about the chat in the bar, have they only now sifted through all the evidence and come to a dead end?
Or have they found something, but just need the final piece of the jigsaw?

Probably because something they've come across has 'stirred' them up, not enough to charge, but enough to ask more questions and canvass the public for more help.

 

[rebel123]

Well my thinking (and I'm not up on communication tech that's why I asked the question upthread) is that if they were able to locate CB to the Ocean Club (or very close) by his call location, then it may tick a few boxes.
I don't think they have - or said they have - info as to his location at the time of M's abduction.

They will have a approx location for CB at the time (providing he was the one using his phone), all to do with 'Triangulation'.

https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-do-police-track-cell-phones

 

[rebel123]

I must be missing something here. Why would the fact that someone made or received a phone call be a cause for suspicion?

LE would want to know who was in the area (resort) at the time of the abduction, they would be people of interest, they would be investigated, then ruled in or ruled out depending on what info comes back on them.

 

[HayLouise]

 

[Chiatos]

About the phone call:

Brueckner is believed to have been using a Portuguese mobile phone, number +351 912 730 680, on the day Madeleine went missing. That phone received a call, starting at 7.32pm and finishing at 8.02pm, on May 3 2007 in the area of Praia da Luz from a second mobile number (+351 916 510 683) from a person not in the area.
4 June 2020; Christian Brueckner: What we know about Madeleine McCann suspect | Metro News

Owner of phone number that called German paedophile on the night of disappearance is named. It is hoped the man, named in Portugal as Diogo Silva, could be a "crucial witness" in the case.
Revealed: Owner of phone number that called Madeleine McCann suspect

No more details about him have been revealed but he is believed to live in northern Portugal.
A Snapchat account in his name was also linked to the phone number, as was a WhatsApp account which has since been deactivated.
Det Chief Insp Mark Cranwell of Operation Grange insisted the caller was a “key witness” and was not in Praia da Luz when the call was made.
New Madeleine McCann suspect investigated five days after her disappearance

 

[Armchair_Defective]

‘German acquaintances who, at his request, emptied Brückner's Portuguese house after he was arrested, stated during the rape process that they had stumbled on two videos. In it, they saw him in rape scenes that seemed "unplayed" to them. Once with an old woman, other times with a young person tied to a wooden pole, the Braunschweiger Zeitung wrote down.

The witnesses also said they saw about a hundred self-burned CDs with labels of "certain sexual practices" including bestialities. A German café friend from Praia stated that he saw three stacks of passports during a visit. "Found during nocturnal walks," said Brückner.’

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Lets hope they find evidence/ “throphy’ showing what happened to Maddie, but he had enough time to get rid of all the evidence.imo

He definitely had time to get rid of the evidence. German police messed up and tipped him off he was being investigated for the McCann case in 2013.

''Spiegel reported that the federal criminal police (BKA) had contacted police in Brunswick for more information about the suspect after receiving a confidential tip-off in October 2013.

But while calling the suspect in, police in their letter specified that it had to do with the "Madeleine McCann missing persons case" and "personal examination of Christian B".

The letter would have given Christian B. ample time to destroy any evidence, the report said, quoting experts who consider the police's actions to be a serious mistake.

"This should not have happened '

https://www.thelocal.de/20200612/police-told-maddie-suspect-he-was-linked-to-case-in-2013-report

 

[Miya]

What were the exact words by Hans Christian Wolters regarding CB?
[3:30 min] "… wegen des Verdachts des Mordes. Daraus können Sie entnehmen dass wir davon ausgehen dass das Mädchen tot ist."
[3:30 min] "… on the suspicion of murder. From this, you can conclude that we take it for granted that the girl is dead." (Translated by me)
See press conference on film (4 June 2020):
Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig geht vom Tod Maddies aus - Panorama - Badische Zeitung

"From this, you can conclude that we assume that the girl is dead."

 

[Bit of hope]

About the phone call:

Brueckner is believed to have been using a Portuguese mobile phone, number +351 912 730 680, on the day Madeleine went missing. That phone received a call, starting at 7.32pm and finishing at 8.02pm, on May 3 2007 in the area of Praia da Luz from a second mobile number (+351 916 510 683) from a person not in the area.
4 June 2020; Christian Brueckner: What we know about Madeleine McCann suspect | Metro News

Owner of phone number that called German paedophile on the night of disappearance is named. It is hoped the man, named in Portugal as Diogo Silva, could be a "crucial witness" in the case.
Revealed: Owner of phone number that called Madeleine McCann suspect

No more details about him have been revealed but he is believed to live in northern Portugal.
A Snapchat account in his name was also linked to the phone number, as was a WhatsApp account which has since been deactivated.
Det Chief Insp Mark Cranwell of Operation Grange insisted the caller was a “key witness” and was not in Praia da Luz when the call was made.
New Madeleine McCann suspect investigated five days after her disappearance

@Chiatos Thanks for refreshing! And here is the official appeal. BKA - Fahndung nach Personen - Verschwinden der Madeleine McCANN am 03.05.2007 in Praia da Luz / Portugal – Zeugen gesucht You can download an English or a Portugese version.

 

[Bit of hope]

Can somebody recall who did an outlay/explanation of the German Law. It must be somewhere upthread....

 

[TheRovingAmbassador]

Thankfully, no Kate and Gerry bashing here. They’ve been made victims several times over. Most everyone here, I believe, think CB is guilty. Just no consensus on whether he was a lone predator satisfying his private sick desires or whether he trafficked MM for profit. I believe it was the later.

Also new to this discussion, but I wonder about the theory that MM could have woken up and wandered out of the apartment looking for her parents. She had been heard crying for at least an hour and a half the night before by the upstairs neighbour. So if she wandered off, she could have been snatched by CB or another perp who happened to be in the vicinity?

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Can somebody recall who did an outlay/explanation of the German Law. It must be somewhere upthread....

This?

'
Criminal proceedings are divided into three stages: Investigation, intermediate proceedings, and the main proceedings or trial (including appeals and enforcement).

• Investigation (Ermittlungsverfahren): The prosecuting authorities (either the public prosecutor or the police) will start an investigation if they suspect you of a criminal offence. The aim of the investigation is to establish whether or not the suspicion against you is justified. In order to conduct their investigation they may take a variety of measures, including searching your home. When the investigation is complete, the public prosecutor will decide whether to discontinue the proceedings on lack of suspicion or whether to charge you.
• 
  Intermediate proceedings (Zwischenverfahren): In the intermediate proceedings a court assesses the charge and decides whether or not the prosecution should proceed. If the court believes that there is enough evidence to make a conviction likely, it will open the main proceedings.
• Main proceedings (Hauptverfahren): In the main proceedings, the court prepares and conducts the trial. The court tests the charge at an oral hearing on the basis of the evidence available (eyewitnesses, documents, etc.). You will also be given the opportunity to tell the court your version of events and to comment on the allegations. If you are found to have committed the offence, you will be convicted. If not, you will be acquitted. You can appeal against a judgment within certain time‑limits. In a full appeal (Berufsverfahren), the main proceedings are repeated before a higher court. In review proceedings (Revisionsverfahren), the judgment is checked only for legal defects.'

European e-Justice Portal.

 

[Bit of hope]

OK i arrived late to this party and i got harassed out of the UK forum for being factual and not buying into their McCann conspiracy which has them hung, drawn and quartered.

Not a single theory fits and relies heavily on dubious claims.

As far as i see it, Bruckner fits the whole thing, and several more..he walked in to abduct, but his initial intent was robbery. When he realised that the family had a child, it got sinister...i think. But he'd done this before...it was still planned, and he used his contact either as an accomplice to abduction, or an unwitting accomplice that was 'only' assisting a burglary.

In 1994 he was in Germany and molested a child- he was 17.
Moved to Portugal in within a 40km radius, 2 blonde children disappeared, and a woman was raped on his beach route, which he was convicted for.
Leaving the area in 2008 for Germany, he worked 40km from a rural property he owned, which was also 40km from where Inga Gehricke disappeared in 2015.
Coincidentally he worked and a lived within a 40km radius of 3 unsolved child disappearances AND was known to be in the area in the latter two of those occurrences.

What is the probability that a person lived and worked within 40km of 2 disappearing children, and able to be in the area of a third and even fourth?..on first principles, one coincidence can be explained by chance...two can be explained by incidental coincidence, but three?...and four?. The likelihood is very low, but not conclusive of course. When you couple it with motive and criminal record though it becomes compelling.

The really scary thing is based on the limited information we have, his comments appear to allude to child trafficking. Stolen for order evil...'i have to do a horrible job tomorrow, but itll change my life'- may 2nd, 2007. ..
Could CB's paedophilia and drug running aligned him with opportunity for big $ human trafficking?..and did it AT LEAST three times?

Frightingly, if each was a big $ transaction, he seems to have run out of money almost every 10 years. Being a suspect for 1996, 2007 and 2015..
Where did he get the money to start his business in Germany from 2008 onwards?

McCann Conspiracies
Either the McCanns thought they could minimise the blame due to the opportunity their checking system gave the abductor, by hastily discussing the scenario..and it went to crap once the scrutiny arrived. Or they simply didnt recall the evening the same - thats actually a possibility. And since then there's been all sorts of suspicion due to that. That really does explain away almost everything.

There are multiple articles of drug and cadaver dogs of being only as good as chance. Many. A quick search comes up with a study in Australia that shows dogs are more wrong than right..in fact. And if a theory is based on a certainty that the dogs detected something, then its a weak theory.

I see you found it!