Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #5

[Anxala]

I haven't seen that. It is all very confusing, I am inclined to agree with the recent post that said he should probably stop making so many announcements. With translation issues and the different legal system it does seem to result in what seems like inconsistencies.

Agree. ^ I'd add to the above the additional issue of the Germans not being emotion-led in their investigations, hence his comment and his subsequent 'back-track' about not appreciating the impact his words might have had on a more emotion-led UK audience.

 

[photographer4]

I think everyone's having probs understanding HCW's statements and the "what & why's" etc. I think the news that the PJ are taking it serious and that the McCann's lawyer is going to Germany this week indicates that they have something of significance.
"A senior Portuguese police source, who has seen the German evidence against Christian B, has told the BBC it is "very important" and "significant".
Madeleine evidence 'significant' - Portugal police

If he's "seen" the evidence, then can I just point out that it could be a witness statement on video? EG: perhaps they questioned someone in relation to something entirely related or unrelated to CB and that person ended up giving them something of value? Seen evidence implies its a visual, so to me that implied video / photo of some sort. I suppose it could be a written statement... sigh I guess I'm just trying to guess at what it is.

 

[photographer4]

'According to JN, it was the PJ’s suspicions of Monteiro that lead them to reopen the Portuguese investigation into the toddler’s disappearance.
His mobile phone was logged as being active in the area on the night that Madeleine disappeared, he was a former employee at the Ocean Club – apparently sacked for petty thieving – and his description matched that of a suspect sought for alleged sex attacks on British children in the Algarve between 2004-2006.
A semem sample recovered from one of the attacks was tested against Euclides own DNA, but, as JN revealed last week, it has been found to be different. As there was also no DNA evidence linking Euclides with the McCann’s Ocean Club apartment, the dead man’s family’s claim that he was being used as a scapegoat would appear to hold some weight.'

Madeleine: DNA finally clears dead suspect - Portugal Resident

It seems they suspected him due to his phone placing him in the area (same as CB) but he was cleared by DNA.

Riddle me this: how does DNA rule someone out in MM's case unless they HAVE a suspect's DNA on file from the scene??

 

[MENDEL]

I’m surprised the PJ have only just decided to search the wells around his home, considering he’s been a suspect since 2017? Im sure they didn’t find out he was a suspect only a week ago like the rest of us did.

although, I really doubt he would dump her body so close to his own home. But who knows. He doesn’t strike me as some kind of criminal mastermind to me but he does seem to plan his crimes to a Tee. The rape was very planned and methodical the victim said, the Irish girl said the same (assuming it was actually CB) so I’d imagine he’d come up with a better hiding place than a well in his own front garden.

PJ said recently they have never received any [official] request from Germany. It's understandable they would charge him on info we all can access in media and we know isn't enough (a guy says he said something).

Saturday, PJ said they had "significant evidence". So, I suspect they had finally got a judicial request from German LE. Whatever "significant evidence" they're talking about seems to be secret.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

If he's "seen" the evidence, then can I just point out that it could be a witness statement on video? EG: perhaps they questioned someone in relation to something entirely related or unrelated to CB and that person ended up giving them something of value? Seen evidence implies its a visual, so to me that implied video / photo of some sort. I suppose it could be a written statement... sigh I guess I'm just trying to guess at what it is.

Maybe it's just a figure of speech and could also imply he has seen 'the' evidence as in all of it, a file or document of some kind.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Riddle me this: how does DNA rule someone out in MM's case unless they HAVE a suspect's DNA on file from the scene??

They did have some unidentified partial samples I think.

 

[Owlpellet]

Reposting the timeline with some updates. I am certain some of these listed cases are NOT linked, but would like to find media sources confirming that CB was ruled out or that he is being looked at (even if in other languages- anything but sun/mirror).
Childhood information sourced from this link below:
Pictured: adoptive mother of Madeleine McCann, first suspect, Christian Brueckner | FR24 News English

1976(?) - Born in Bavaria and adopted as an infant by B & F Brueckner in Würzburg, Germany
1990(?) - Father's car accident when he was 13-14yrs old.
Christian’s disruptive and increasingly criminal behavior and deal with her disabled husband who suffered brain damage and was confined to a wheelchair after the crash
1992-94 - Between 1992 – when he was 16 – and 1994, he lived in an institution for young people with learning difficulties

Unless another link is provided, the date and information is from this article (Guardian's Timeline):
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner fled police in 1995

1994 - Convicted of sexual abuse of a child, attempted sexual abuse of a child, and carrying out sexual acts in front of a child.
1995-2007 - Police said the suspect lived in the Algarve between 1995 and 2007 apart from brief spells in Germany
Madeleine McCann suspect investigated over 2015 disappearance of German girl

Cars associated with CB around (?)2004-2007:
Jaguar (reported variously as black/grey/eggplant)
VW Westfalia camper van (white & yellow)
Mustard coloured VW estate
School caretaker saw Madeleine McCann suspect give kids 'sweets and toys'

1995 - Flees to Portugal as an 18-year-old to escape a two-year youth custody sentence for the above offences.
1995 Aug 4 - Jair Soares (7) goes missing at beach in Den Haag, Netherlands. Tabloids report possible connection to CB.
1996 June 19- René Hasse (6) boy in the Algarve, goes missing. Possibly linked to CB. Family contacted, but latest news suggests no link (see 2nd article)
Madeleine McCann suspect investigated over two other missing children – reports
Germans 'have evidence' Madeleine McCann was killed by new suspect
1996 June 28- Carola Titze (16), found murdered in De Haan, Belgium. Possibly linked to CB.
Did Madeleine McCann suspect kill these three youngsters? - Metro Newspaper UK
1998 March 26 - Tristan Brubach (13), found murdered in Frankfurt suburb of Hochst.
Maddie McCann tot? Staatsanwalt ruderte zurück - doch Bericht enthüllt nun „bedeutenden“ Beweis | Welt
1999 - Returns to Germany to serve a youth custody sentence he had escaped.
2001 May 7- Peggy Knobloch (9) disappears on her way home from school in Bayreuth, Germany. Possible link to CB.
Police reviewing disappearance of another German girl in light of new Madeleine McCann suspect.
2001 June 18 - Louise Kerton (24) UK student nurse goes missing from Aachen Germany.Family wants link investigated, so far no mention by LE if it any link is being looked at.
Father of missing Louise Kerton wants Madeleine McCann suspect questioned
2004-2006 - 9 sexual assaults and 3 attempts on different British girls in Algarve. Specifically attempting to link attack on 10 yr old to CB in 2005. Earlier article from 2014 also references these attacks and the distinct t-shirt possibly linked.
Christian Brückner refuses to discuss Madeleine McCann case until police show ‘proof’ | News | The Times
FOUND: Shirt worn by Madeleine McCann suspect
2004-5 - Dates an English woman in Praia da Luz, Portugal. More information provided by ex-girlfriend in this article:
Madeleine McCann suspect linked to THIRD vehicle - new details made public for first time
2004 - Hazel Behan(20) sexually assaulted in Algarve. Her attacker may be CB. Portuguese police appear to deny any link.
Irish woman raped in Portugal believes attacker may be Madeleine McCann suspect | The Irish Post
2005 - Rapes an American woman(72) in Praia da Luz.
2006- Portuguese authorities drop the rape investigation due to lack of evidence.
2006- Arrested and convicted for stealing diesel fuel in Portugal.
2007 May 3 - Madeleine McCann (3) disappears from Praia da Luz.
2007- Buys marihuana and hashish and sells it to a middle-man on the northern German island of Sylt, where it is sold on.

2007 - Jaguar and VW van towed to Augsburg, Germany where CB lives on/off (and registers jaguar to AB)
How Madeleine suspect slept in my attic | Daily Mail Online

2007-2008 - CB living in Foral Portugal with German woman Nicole and her boyfriend Roman (or in his VW camper van parked at their residence). Nicole and Roman running some sort of program for troubled youth (?). Townpeople reportedly feared CB.
EXCLUSIVE: Footage of property where paedophile and suspect Christian Brueckner lived in the months after Madeleine McCann disappeared from Portugal - Olive Press News Spain

2010- Monika Pawlak (24), sex worker, found murdered in Hanover. DM suggests possible link, article listed below suggests no link.
Germans 'have evidence' Madeleine McCann was killed by new suspect

2012- Opens a kiosk in Braunschweig, in north-west Germany.
Further information on kiosk- School caretaker reports lots of interaction with children
School caretaker saw Madeleine McCann suspect give kids 'sweets and toys'
~2012-2015 (?) - In a relationship with NM, now under police protection
Madeleine McCann: Hunt for suspect's ex who he 'beat black and blue' | Metro News

2013- McCanns appeal to the German public on TV for evidence over Madeleine’s disappearance. Brückner’s name crops up in connection with the case.
2013 - September - Documents seen by Der Spiegel said that in that year, he had fantasised about kidnapping and sexually abusing a child in an online chat with a friend.In September 2013, he allegedly wrote that he wanted to “catch something small and use it for days“, and then destroy the evidence.
Madeleine McCann suspect investigated over 2015 disappearance of German girl

2015 - May 2- Inga Gehricke (5) goes missing - LE investigating possibly link to CB
"The Volksstimme newspaper reported that he owned an abandoned property in Neuwegersleben, around 57 miles from where Inga went missing"
"The home was reportedly searched as part of a child abuse investigation in 2016, with officers finding a USB stick containing indecent images."
Madeleine McCann suspect investigated over 2015 disappearance of German girl
Madeleine McCann suspect investigated over two other missing children – reports

2017- Convicted of sexual abuse of a child in Germany and sentenced to 15 months in prison.
2018-Arrested in Milan and returned to Germany.
2018 - CB's apartment raided by German police looking for evidence of crime against MM.
Madeleine McCann: Suspect's flat was raided by police two years ago

2019- August – charged with the rape of a US citizen (from 2005).
2019 - December – convicted. Sentenced to seven years for the rape. Prison term not yet started pending an appeal that the conviction was unlawful but he is being held in police custody.
2020 June 4- German Police announce CB as possible suspect in Mccann's disappearance
Police announce new suspect in 2007 disappearance of Madeleine McCann

ETA: Added AB info and bolded dates and format clean up

That's great. Thanks. Can we pin this post?

 

[Toothcomb]

I'm wondering what criminal suspicion lead to his his ex girlfriend being deported. He may have been using that phone/sim again when he returned to portugal. Maybe she found the phone and turned it on. He didn't immediately leave with her according to tabs.

 

[mattyg]

CB will face no charges

The evidence is weak and any decent defence lawyer will have a field day

 

[MENDEL]

this guy?

'According to JN, it was the PJ’s suspicions of Monteiro that lead them to reopen the Portuguese investigation into the toddler’s disappearance.
His mobile phone was logged as being active in the area on the night that Madeleine disappeared, he was a former employee at the Ocean Club – apparently sacked for petty thieving – and his description matched that of a suspect sought for alleged sex attacks on British children in the Algarve between 2004-2006.
A semem sample recovered from one of the attacks was tested against Euclides own DNA, but, as JN revealed last week, it has been found to be different. As there was also no DNA evidence linking Euclides with the McCann’s Ocean Club apartment, the dead man’s family’s claim that he was being used as a scapegoat would appear to hold some weight.'

Madeleine: DNA finally clears dead suspect - Portugal Resident

It seems they suspected him due to his phone placing him in the area (same as CB) but he was cleared by DNA.

I think this is of interest here: A listing of Ocean's Club employees done May 7, 2007 and filed in "Processo". Some part of mobile numbers can be seen.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_850.jpg

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_851.jpg

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_852.jpg

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_853.jpg

 

[MENDEL]

I think this is of interest here: A listing of Ocean's Club employees done May 7, 2007 and filed in "Processo". Some part of mobile numbers can be seen.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_850.jpg

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_851.jpg

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_852.jpg

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_853.jpg

Monteiro is a family name used last usually. I can't find it, except a woman, Virginia.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

CB will face no charges

The evidence is weak and any decent defence lawyer will have a field day

I agree, unless they get something that ties him to the apartment and proves he was in there but how could they? The main witnesses that night ( McCanns and friends didn't see him).
A Portuguese judge has said similar.

'
Legal expert, Rui Pereira, said Christian Brueckner could be made to make the journey if the German prosecutors made such a request and it was approved by Lisbon.

The technique is traditionally used by Portuguese police to test the claims of suspects offering a different version of events, and the ones held by police.
He told Correio da Manha “From the start, the most plausible hypothesis seemed to be that of kidnap, a sex crime and murder...........

......“Madeleine would have appealed to sexual predators who target children.”

But he added: “Without a body, without witnesses, with guarantees under a State of Law such as a suspect’s defence rights and the right to remain silent, a miracle is needed.”

Maddie suspect could be flown to Portugal to 'recreate night she vanished'

 

[Kikixxxx]

CB will face no charges

The evidence is weak and any decent defence lawyer will have a field day

How do you know its weak when you aren’t privy to it yet?

 

[tedtink]

CB will face no charges

The evidence is weak and any decent defence lawyer will have a field day

The evidence seems weak because WE don't know what it is.

 

[mattyg]

The evidence seems weak because WE don't know what it is.

I hope I am wrong. Too much speculation and it needs to be definitive 100% evidence

if that existed he would have been charged by now

 

[Armchair_Defective]

We know the evidence is weak (as in not enough to be charged) because he hasn't been charged yet.
a German judge that is very influential has said the same thing. They charge if they have compelling evidence of a crime, they haven't charged so it can't be compelling. A charge has to set out what was done, by who, where and when. If the evidence they have doesn't do those 4 things they can't charge....maybe for years.

 

[sleuth-d-]

How Madeleine suspect slept in my attic | Daily Mail Online

It says he went to live with him shortly after MM disappeared. Not very specific but would have to assume this is the period he had registration of the vehicle given after he left they never saw each other again.

thank you.
so, the landlord had use of the jag for three months. but also, within a month of MBM disappearing CB turns up in foral.

and at some point, CB acquires the Winnebago? as he had that in foral. a Winnebago is an expensive vehicle.

and, then after three months CB has to get back to germany again to pick up the jag?

also:
"...the Jaguar, which Brueckner had hitched up to his camper van and driven to north Germany"
that camper van did well to pull a jag from the algarve to northern germany. would have also been a very distinctive sight wherever it stopped.

 

[Kikixxxx]

I hope I am wrong. Too much speculation and it needs to be definitive 100% evidence

if that existed he would have been charged by now

I agree, but I think it’s so difficult to charge someone for murder without a body, if they had found a blood stained jumper in his wardrobe and a blood stained knife under his pillow, maybe it would be easier to charge him despite finding no body. But we know evidence such as that isn’t likely to be found 13 years later. I can see why it’s ridiculously hard for them to charge him as of yet. Especially in Germany as they seem a little more strict than the UK for example.

personally, I don’t think the German police would bring this case to our attention again after all these years if they didn’t have some pretty significant evidence he done it, but we will have to wait and see.

 

[Cherwell]

CB will face no charges
The evidence is weak and any decent defence lawyer will have a field day

You don't know what evidence they have.
In addition, they have received plenty of new information as a result of going public, some of which may prove to be crucial. It may even lead to his conviction of other unsolved crimes.

 

[Ardoch]

If he's "seen" the evidence, then can I just point out that it could be a witness statement on video? EG: perhaps they questioned someone in relation to something entirely related or unrelated to CB and that person ended up giving them something of value? Seen evidence implies its a visual, so to me that implied video / photo of some sort. I suppose it could be a written statement... sigh I guess I'm just trying to guess at what it is.

Same as! Could there be any significance in the fact that the McCann's lawyer is going to Germany to see the evidence or is that just general security protocol? I suppose they couldn't just email a witness statement to him?