Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #6

[Dlk79]

I have written about the window before on here, it's small, it opens from the inside, so do the shutters. The curtain was tucked into the bed, there were no marks on the shutter or window. There was a bed directly underneath which no-one observed as being disturbed No way can I believe any abductor went in or out through there with a child.
The Patio door I don't know, I don't think it was that visible from the tapas bar but people were going up and down the road every 10 minutes.

It's a sliding window, so if unlocked it can be opened from inside or outside.

The shutters can very easily be pushed up from outside without leaving any mark, there's a famous video on youtube demonstrating it.

The curtain that was tucked into the bed was on the left hand side, the window opening is on the right hand side and that curtain was flapping in the wind when KM walked in according to her statement.

The bed isn't directly underneath the window, it slightly overlaps it but its mostly floorspace under the window opening.

Difficult to get through with a child, yes. But not impossible, especially with an accomplice. But as other have pointed out. The front door was also unlocked and can be opened from the inside so they could have left that way too.

 

[haden]

I also mentioned previously the two fair haired men seen lurking around the apartment before MM disappeared.
A British witness was sure there was a connection. One of the men closed the gate but did so very carefully.
They apparently looked out of place.

No, it was one - a statement from Mrs Fenn's niece Carole.
"CT'Humm... he was blonde, with a lot of hair, very short, not like mine but a little more, humm... but not like a footballer, do you know what I mean' A style close to shaven. Very short, blonde, the head was very sculptured. The shape of the head was very sculptured, more oval shaped.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'And, humm... then I believe I saw him wearing a blue-grey T-shirt, it was not dark blue, more of a pallid colour and it was, humm... a type of blue with short sleeves, humm... but I did not see anything below, I did not see the trousers or shoes or anything else, only the top part and he would have, I would say'humm, when looking from above, he was not short, I would say he was about a 1'78, about medium height. He was not thing nor was he muscular. So he was of average stature. I would say he was European but not Portuguese. He was not dark and, he was not short, but I would say that he looked Scandinavian if you will, because he was very light and could have been British or Scandinavian. Even though I was looking upwards, he had big eyes, there is nothing else. He did not have tattoos, nothing like this, humm'a person of common appearance, it was his furtiveness that called my attention, humm, no, I can't'

DC1485'Could you give him an age'

CT'Yes, I believe so, I would say that he was between, oh he was not old, 30 to 35, I don't believe that he was older than this.

DC1485'And his aspect'

CT'It was clear, he was light-skinned, he had no freckles, he was not sunburned, he was not dark, nor bronzed from the sun, he was a light colour, not white, white but you know'humm..he was not one who was exposed to the sun.

DC1485'And when he walked, did he have any particular walk or limp'

CT'No, I never really noticed his gait as I only saw him leave the gate. He did not appear incapacitated, hum' he was merely ordinary looking, I did not really look at his walk.

DC1485'You told me he did not have tattoos; was he wearing any jewellery'

CT'No, I did not see any jewellery, no, no he did not have necklaces or rings and as far as I could tell, he did not have earrings.

DC1485'And his T-shirt, you spoke to me about his T-shirt, did it have an inscription'

CT'No, it was a common shirt, without inscriptions, it was light blue in colour, or grey, it could have been grey, mmm.

DC1485'And the T-shirt, did it have buttons or was it simply something that went up to the neck'

CT'No, it went up to the neck and had sleeves, short sleeves, but not straps, of this type, just short sleeves.

DC1485'Yes, and was it loose-fitting'

CT'No it was not snug, it was not loose, it was comfortable.

DC1485'Did it fit him loosely'

CT'It was big but not by much.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'It was simply common, the type of T-shirt one wears on Saturday.

DC1485'Yes, yes.

CT'With inscriptions or anything in general, mmm.

DC'And he was well-shaven'

CT'Yes, yes.

DC1485'Yes without a beard or did you notice anything else'

CT'No, nothing from what I remember, because he was very blonde.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'But if he had a beard, I would have seen it.

DC1485'Spectacles'

CT'No, he did not have sunglasses, nor did he wear spectacles.

DC1485'He did not use sunglasses'

CT'No.

DC1485'Okay, and for how long did you think you saw him'

CT'Well, humm... the time it takes to leave, shut the gate, look to the side, look to that side, a few seconds because he did not take very long to do this, I would say that it was for a minute or something like that."
P.J. POLICE FILES: CAROL TRANMER MRS FENN'S NIECE STATEMENT

This was during the day.. she was suspicious because he was leaving 5A and trying to close the gate quietly, without making any noise....

But nobody actually described the suspect as very tall while CB is described as a tall guy.

 

[JediJim]

Think that's two different sightings you are on about there. Carol Tranmer seen one man closing a gate carefully, there has been been a story in the press in the last week saying she has confirmed it was CB she saw. The sighting of two blonde men was by Jayne Jensen and her sister. No word from them in the press since this new lead broke.

Ah yes Jayne Jenson. The lady with her sister. She’s on the Netflix documentary. She’s the one who mentioned the suspicious men.

 

[PS8800]

No they have a legal right to ask what level of evidence/ charges another country has before DNA in their possession is handed over.
German LE have not charged anyone or even questioned CB. Do you think countries like the US or UK would hand over DNA to other countries based on 'we suspect him'?

UK agrees to share suspects' DNA with EU crime-fighting system

All it takes is trust and a common goal for justice.

 

[JediJim]

I was just thinking, the people who stayed in the McCanns apartment before them must be really spooked about this. I mean it could have been their kids.
Blood scary!

 

[PS8800]

You can't claim Portuguese LE are protecting CB! That's completely nonsense! No LE would protect him anywhere in the world. How can you imagine high ranking officials protecting a criminal? Tell me one such case (of course political cases excluded).

I believe you are going a step to far here. There is police negligence and there is protecting a criminal. The latter which I am not suggesting. That sounds more like an anti McCann theorists belief system.

 

[haden]

Ah yes Jayne Jenson. The lady with her sister. She’s on the Netflix documentary. She’s the one who mentioned the suspicious men.

I remembered her, too when I read CB was often in a company of another blond man and they were like twins

 

[PS8800]

El Chapo, Mexico, because Law Enforcement was paid off. There are quite a few, I could draw up a list of 100 plus.

Exactly. It's called corruption. Not sure why he believes that doesn't exist. However, it wasn't my point.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

It's a sliding window, so if unlocked it can be opened from inside or outside.

The shutters can very easily be pushed up from outside without leaving any mark, there's a famous video on youtube demonstrating it.

The curtain that was tucked into the bed was on the left hand side, the window opening is on the right hand side and that curtain was flapping in the wind when KM walked in accoriding to her statement.

The bed isn't directly underneath the window, it slightly overlaps it but its mostly floorspace under the window opening.

Difficult to get through with a child, yes. But not impossible, especially with an accomplice. But as other have pointed out. The front door was also unlocked and can be opened from the inside so they could have left that way too.

I think you're right about the shutters but I'm sure I've seen photos of the window opening inwards. I'll see if I can find them.... I still think the bed and chair, make the space very cramped.

 

[MENDEL]

I believe you are going a step to far here. There is police negligence and there is protecting a criminal. The latter which I am not suggesting. That sounds more like an anti McCann theorists belief system.

Did I offer any judgement about you? Please stop profiling me as you like best and this is finished for me.

 

[Kikixxxx]

No, it was one - a statement from Mrs Fenn's niece Carole.
"CT'Humm... he was blonde, with a lot of hair, very short, not like mine but a little more, humm... but not like a footballer, do you know what I mean' A style close to shaven. Very short, blonde, the head was very sculptured. The shape of the head was very sculptured, more oval shaped.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'And, humm... then I believe I saw him wearing a blue-grey T-shirt, it was not dark blue, more of a pallid colour and it was, humm... a type of blue with short sleeves, humm... but I did not see anything below, I did not see the trousers or shoes or anything else, only the top part and he would have, I would say'humm, when looking from above, he was not short, I would say he was about a 1'78, about medium height. He was not thing nor was he muscular. So he was of average stature. I would say he was European but not Portuguese. He was not dark and, he was not short, but I would say that he looked Scandinavian if you will, because he was very light and could have been British or Scandinavian. Even though I was looking upwards, he had big eyes, there is nothing else. He did not have tattoos, nothing like this, humm'a person of common appearance, it was his furtiveness that called my attention, humm, no, I can't'

DC1485'Could you give him an age'

CT'Yes, I believe so, I would say that he was between, oh he was not old, 30 to 35, I don't believe that he was older than this.

DC1485'And his aspect'

CT'It was clear, he was light-skinned, he had no freckles, he was not sunburned, he was not dark, nor bronzed from the sun, he was a light colour, not white, white but you know'humm..he was not one who was exposed to the sun.

DC1485'And when he walked, did he have any particular walk or limp'

CT'No, I never really noticed his gait as I only saw him leave the gate. He did not appear incapacitated, hum' he was merely ordinary looking, I did not really look at his walk.

DC1485'You told me he did not have tattoos; was he wearing any jewellery'

CT'No, I did not see any jewellery, no, no he did not have necklaces or rings and as far as I could tell, he did not have earrings.

DC1485'And his T-shirt, you spoke to me about his T-shirt, did it have an inscription'

CT'No, it was a common shirt, without inscriptions, it was light blue in colour, or grey, it could have been grey, mmm.

DC1485'And the T-shirt, did it have buttons or was it simply something that went up to the neck'

CT'No, it went up to the neck and had sleeves, short sleeves, but not straps, of this type, just short sleeves.

DC1485'Yes, and was it loose-fitting'

CT'No it was not snug, it was not loose, it was comfortable.

DC1485'Did it fit him loosely'

CT'It was big but not by much.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'It was simply common, the type of T-shirt one wears on Saturday.

DC1485'Yes, yes.

CT'With inscriptions or anything in general, mmm.

DC'And he was well-shaven'

CT'Yes, yes.

DC1485'Yes without a beard or did you notice anything else'

CT'No, nothing from what I remember, because he was very blonde.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'But if he had a beard, I would have seen it.

DC1485'Spectacles'

CT'No, he did not have sunglasses, nor did he wear spectacles.

DC1485'He did not use sunglasses'

CT'No.

DC1485'Okay, and for how long did you think you saw him'

CT'Well, humm... the time it takes to leave, shut the gate, look to the side, look to that side, a few seconds because he did not take very long to do this, I would say that it was for a minute or something like that."
P.J. POLICE FILES: CAROL TRANMER MRS FENN'S NIECE STATEMENT

This was during the day.. she was suspicious because he was leaving 5A and trying to close the gate quietly, without making any noise....

But nobody actually described the suspect as very tall while CB is described as a tall guy.

Wow!! I can’t believe she was so detailed with her description! And she was only 12 at the time. European, blonde, sculptured head. 30-35. It really does sound like it could of been CB. Chilling ...

 

[PS8800]

Yes, he could well have been victimised and certainly seems to exert control over the vulnerable.

To me he seems to be Predatory rather than opportunistic.

Opportunistic would normally feature a frenzied violent attack on victims. CB's, from details published, seem to be more methodical in nature, pre-planned with eroticized and fantasized behaviour.

IMO

Yes he is without a doubt a predator as i've mentioned previously. The casing out in days before, how he stares suggests an element of calculation as he sizes up his victims and weighs up his chances etc. Opportunistic in regards to thieving etc, there's probably few criminal acts he wouldn't pass up the opportunity to act on.

 

[Dlk79]

I think you're right about the shutters but I'm sure I've seen photos of the window opening inwards. I'll see if I can find them.... I still think the bed and chair, make the space very cramped.

No, they are definitely sliding windows. You should be able to see better in this photo.

 

[Dlk79]

Wow!! I can’t believe she was so detailed with her description! And she was only 12 at the time. European, blonde, sculptured head. 30-35. It really does sound like it could of been CB. Chilling ...

She wasn't 12. That's a different witness you are thinking of who saw the pock-faced man.

 

[JediJim]

The man who allegedly closed the gate as seen by the witness. What about his finger prints? Wouldn’t they be on the gate?

 

[haden]

Wow!! I can’t believe she was so detailed with her description! And she was only 12 at the time. European, blonde, sculptured head. 30-35. It really does sound like it could of been CB. Chilling ...

Carole is a pensioner. She saw this suspect during the day, correction: on Thursday May 3 during the day and in fact on the day Madeleine disappeared and this was from the balcony above the apartment where Madeleine stayed.
What caught her attention were his very quiet movements when closing the gate and looking/checking at both directions before exiting.

 

[Dlk79]

The man who allegedly closed the gate as seen by the witness. What about his finger prints? Wouldn’t they be on the gate?

Possibly (unless he had gloves on) but so would have a lot of other people coming in and out afterwars which would have probably smudged it away. I'm not sure whether PJ ever checked for prints there but it's a fair point.

 

[Kikixxxx]

Carole is a pensioner. She saw this suspect during the day, I believe the day before Madeleine disappeared and this was from the balcony above the apartment where Madeleine stayed.
What caught her attention were his very quiet movements when closing the gate and looking/checking at both directions before exiting.

Ohhhhhh. Sorry I got confused

 

[PS8800]

It's a sliding window, so if unlocked it can be opened from inside or outside.

The shutters can very easily be pushed up from outside without leaving any mark, there's a famous video on youtube demonstrating it.

The curtain that was tucked into the bed was on the left hand side, the window opening is on the right hand side and that curtain was flapping in the wind when KM walked in accoriding to her statement.

The bed isn't directly underneath the window, it slightly overlaps it but its mostly floorspace under the window opening.

Difficult to get through with a child, yes. But not impossible, especially with an accomplice. But as other have pointed out. The front door was also unlocked and can be opened from the inside so they could have left that way too.

Thanks for this. Did you see the photo showing how close to the ground the window is on the car parking side also? You could pass a small adult through there to someone on the other side easily. The issue is not the size so much as the potential for the victim to wake up and scream.
But since the op doesn't believe an abductor could do it. I suppose they are onto another theory altogether. Best to be weary of confirmation bias and remain objective.

 

[JediJim]

Possibly (unless he had gloves on) but so would have a lot of other people coming in and out afterwars which would have probably smudged it away. I'm not sure whether PJ ever checked for prints there but it's a fair point.

I think the witness would have been even more suspicious if he was wearing gloves, in the middle of the day. She would have assumed he was a burglar.