Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #6

[mrjitty]

I've always read it that way.

The 'checking system' always sounded like bollocks to me. Are a group of 7 or 8 friends really going to have someone getting up every 5 minutes? And if yes, why? If you feel the need to check on the kids that much, isn't that an obvious indicator that they shouldn't be left alone? I don't think the checks were as regular as we're told.

As for Tannerman, I'm not sure of the timeline and when he came into existence. However, I've always wondered if the sighting was embellished upon, or even fabricated, in order to steer the investigators towards an abductor. There's a certain logic to it.

Basically, I think they told a few fibs in the beginning in a bid to dodge any negligence charges, and it panned out worse than they could've imagined. The internet picked up on the descrepencies and ran with them. It didn't help their case that they've played the worst PR game imagineable. The McCanns have always come across as very difficult to like - especially Gerry.

That is my theory was well.

It was clear from the disparities between the PJ interviews and the Leicester interviews that none of it made sense. It's a good example of why witnesses should never hot house their version together.

My guess is she really saw Totman, and enhanced it for whatever reason. She might have questioned her own memory over where she saw him or forgotten. Maybe the Pyjamas is the only thing she really remembered. I think Murat gave her the opportunity to exit her story and she simply banked on PJ having the right guy.

The problem is, all of it created a false timeline and cast suspicion on the group.

But what we have to get in mind is the Met had years to speak to all of them in private and I suspect they got to the bottom of it. PJ had no access to any of them.

It is one of the biggest problems of the case that so many witnesses were on holiday and left the country.

 

[Officer Dibble]

I mean seriously...called the police, the police arrived next day. I think there are more complicit in these crimes than just the damn perp.

IKR he was holding the perp in a citizens arrest type way (iirc) and in the end he had to let him go

 

[tedtink]

The shutter/blind repair 1st May

P.J. POLICE FILES: LUIS FELIPE MONTEIRO FERRO

P.J. POLICE FILES: MARIO DOMINGOS MOREIRA

 

[mrjitty]

That is definitely a possibility, can't discount that. Would seem weird though as if he was going the opposite way, that was the way she also went, so she would have then been walking directly behind him alongside the ocean club.

The implication is obvious?

my 02c

 

[haden]

yes, just edited it. Thinking the name sounds very similar and could have been misheard by the reporter.

Very interesting! But I guess lots of Portuguese people have the same name.
I think the caller was in Lisbon and the guy was in PDL at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

 

[Andreee]

The maintenance guy's name is a tad familiar! I wonder if the T at the start of his name should be a D.

ETA i.e DS, not TS....the guy listed with the other phone number

I hadn't read this account before from years ago, and it is interesting for sure!

Surely LE will have spotted this. Could explain why they had no qualms about releasing the phone number, knowing it would be tracked to the guy.

Interesting, good catch! I also think that the maintenance guy who lost his keys is lying to the reporter when he says no such thing happened. The anonymous maintenance guy who covered for him when being questioned years ago should definitely have come forth with this info at the time! It WAS relevant!

 

[peanutJelly]

I can't see evidence of a repaired cleft lip in the photos, but surgery is very good and it could explain why he was adopted as a baby. And the slurred speech may have indicated it to0 if the soft palate was affected. Not just drugs/alcohol.

But I'd have thought there would have been mention of it from the adoptive mother and school friends interviewed. It would have been a significant childhood trauma with possible associated bullying. And you'd have thought it would have been relatively easy to find an alleged perpetrator with a repaired cleft lip and he'd have grown facial hair as an adult to hide it. I wondered if, at the time of the attacks he could have had an accident to his face or even if he'd deliberately painted one on as disguise.

"Mr Dollarhyde", the serial killer in the novel Red Dragon had one by the way...

I’ll repeat my earlier post, you’d have to be close to distinguish a cleft palette from a facial injury that has since healed IMO

 

[tedtink]

that is very smart thinking about the way the child was carried.

the thing with the guy that SY found is he didn't look anything like Tanner's description (hair length, height)... and neither did his child's pyjamas look anything like the description Tanner gave.
of course, if he said he also saw Tanner, at the same time as Tanner saw him, that would clear it up.
if not, no doubt he was carrying a child that night of course, but so could another person that was the abductor carrying MBM. surely there were a few parents picking up children from the creche and walking around carrying their children home. but there was also an abductor carrying a child from apt5a.

And I'm sure the abductor knew that and felt he wouldn't really have looked out of place.

 

[peanutJelly]

If it's a hare lip, it wasn't our man.
But it could have been a cut or bruise inflicted by someone punching him.
It would be worth asking the witness for their impression.

Just like I said yesterday

 

[Olivia_Seafish]

That is my theory was well.

It was clear from the disparities between the PJ interviews and the Leicester interviews that none of it made sense. It's a good example of why witnesses should never hot house their version together.

My guess is she really saw Totman, and enhanced it for whatever reason. She might have questioned her own memory over where she saw him or forgotten. Maybe the Pyjamas is the only thing she really remembered. I think Murat gave her the opportunity to exit her story and she simply banked on PJ having the right guy.

The problem is, all of it created a false timeline and cast suspicion on the group.

But what we have to get in mind is the Met had years to speak to all of them in private and I suspect they got to the bottom of it. PJ had no access to any of them.

It is one of the biggest problems of the case that so many witnesses were on holiday and left the country.

If I'm not mistaken, there was some evolution to Tannerman as well. Jane's original description was vague and then the details about the kid's pyjamas emerged later. She didn't see the abductor's face but then was quite sure it was Murat. Correct me if I've got that wrong.

 

[Owlpellet]

Very interesting! But I guess lots of Portuguese people have the same name.
I think the caller was in Lisbon and the guy was in PDL at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

It's a common name for sure, but worth looking at. Do we know for sure the caller was in Lisbon? Can you find a link for that?

 

[peanutJelly]

I read some statements that the suspect allegedly made, and there is this wording that rang a bell. Apparently the suspect said something about pigs eating bodies ... I don't know how reliable this information is but I read it on multiple articles, I'm not sure if this is just hearsay or fact. This rang a bell because not too long ago I read about this girl, Joana Cipriano, who was killed in September 2004. Her uncle and her mother later confessed but her mother withdrew that confession, stating that they have been beaten and tortured during interrogation. Her body was never found but her uncle allegedly said that he fed her body to the pigs. I don't know how reliable that is, regarding the torturing claims.
And I think there was something about blood or anything being found in a pig pen in the Netflix Maddie documentary. May this be related? Or just some weird coincidence?

We’re going round in circles now, discussing things that have already been covered

 

[Officer Dibble]

Guys I haven’t been able to read through all these threads. But heres a few questions;
The patio door was kind of in view of the tapas bar. So would the suspect use that door, bearing in mind it’s in view?
Secondly the window, apparently window only allowed about a metre of room when opened. Wouldn’t the suspect have difficulty using the window and not leaving and trace?
It’s also facing a car park, anyone could have seen this.

If it was the alleged CB we've heard accounts how he took his shoes off so as not to make footprints with the sole of a shoe. I think I read he wore gloves too. JMO MOO

 

[tedtink]

The maintenance guy's name is a tad familiar! I wonder if the T at the start of his name should be a D.

ETA i.e DS, not TS....the guy listed with the other phone number

TDS witness statement........

P.J. POLICE FILES: TIAGO PIRES LUZ DA SILVA

 

[Dlk79]

The implication is obvious?

my 02c

Yes, I see the angle you are coming from. Personally, I'm not swayed either way of whether the sighting was genuine or not. Can't see any compelling evidence to be able to make a determination on it, so I reserve judgement and am open to all possibilities.

 

[peanutJelly]

That's what I was thinking ... a boy went missing in the Algarve just some time before Maddie, a German boy by the name of René Hasee (when I recall correctly) who vanished from a beach in 1996. The police declared him as dead by drowning but his father can't believe that. The police is not investigating in this case right now, as the father said in an interview, he reached out to the police because of possible connections to the death of his son but got denied any information. Possible?

Can we please not repeat old ground?

 

[sleuth-d-]

I've always read it that way.

The 'checking system' always sounded like bollocks to me. Are a group of 7 or 8 friends really going to have someone getting up every 5 minutes? And if yes, why? If you feel the need to check on the kids that much, isn't that an obvious indicator that they shouldn't be left alone? I don't think the checks were as regular as we're told.

As for Tannerman, I'm not sure of the timeline and when he came into existence. However, I've always wondered if the sighting was embellished upon, or even fabricated, in order to steer the investigators towards an abductor. There's a certain logic to it.

Basically, I think they told a few fibs in the beginning in a bid to dodge any negligence charges, and it panned out worse than they could've imagined. The internet picked up on the descrepencies and ran with them. It didn't help their case that they've played the worst PR game imagineable. The McCanns have always come across as very difficult to like - especially Gerry.

why embellish and fabricate if you want the LE to catch an abductor that has taken the child? 'steering' investigators in any direction is beyond reckless if you want that child back. (and clearly they were steering incorrectly with murat). there is no logic to that.
Tanner's evidence of a sighting was given on the very first day of the investigation - 4th may.

 

[Owlpellet]

TDS witness statement........

P.J. POLICE FILES: TIAGO PIRES LUZ DA SILVA

Thanks. Different guy. DS was working in catering, not maintenance at the time. Got excited then!

 

[Owlpellet]

DBM

 

[Officer Dibble]

Yes, it's possible that the window was only opened to provide an emergency escape route to be used if someone came in unexpectedly and interrupted the abductor

This seems really feasible to me. Also to stick his head out to see if coast is clear in the street