Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #6

[Victoria Chambers]

From that Sky news report it seems Portuguese police did re-test. So that is co-operation. German LE, then insult them by saying that result is no good.
One country cannot just go and demand another country has to hand over evidence.
There needs to be a certain amount of evidence legally to request the samples. This would happen between any 2 countries, laws are there which expect reasonable standards to be met before letting other people access evidence.
Yet again UK media seem to be demonising a whole country IMO.

Whoever is working the case should be able to access all the evidence and samples available, regardless. Only last week, the German Authorities shared their evidence with Portugal, who in turn, agreed with it being significant! Anybody with the power, needs to do all they can to keep that man behind bars! It's not going to hurt anybody to let Germany test the sample!

 

[tedtink]

why embellish and fabricate if you want the LE to catch an abductor that has taken the child? 'steering' investigators in any direction is beyond reckless if you want that child back. (and clearly they were steering incorrectly with murat). there is no logic to that.
Tanner's evidence of a sighting was given on the very first day of the investigation - 4th may.

Yes, hadn't she said that she had told one of the other group about it on the actual night too but she didn't want to bother K and G - It's in her W/S but a much later one UK Police 2008

Ferguson Tanner

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[Ellmau]

Did Tanner, convinced she saw the perp, massage her evidence a bit?

Did the group, still a bit drunk and under high stress, autosuggest timings to each other, so as to align with Tanners wild goose chase - but under the belief Tanner "must have seen the guy in the act"?

If CB is guilty, pretty much all of the Tapas evidence is a waste of time IMO. He most likely struck before 10, entered through the patio door, and had as much as 20 mins. He didn't need accomplices or any complicated surveillance schemes. He just walked in and walked out. No one saw him. He had a car parked close by and left.

Yes. I think they were meant well, but ended up muddying the waters.

 

[tedtink]

We’re going round in circles now, discussing things that have already been covered

Covered, yet still unresolved.

 

[haden]

It's a common name for sure, but worth looking at. Do we know for sure the caller was in Lisbon? Can you find a link for that?

I am sure I read that he was in Lisbon but the Mirror article is now saying that the caller was not in PDL
Man wanted for questioning over Maddie McCann suspect's mystery phone call named

 

[Olivia_Seafish]

why embellish and fabricate if you want the LE to catch an abductor that has taken the child? 'steering' investigators in any direction is beyond reckless if you want that child back. (and clearly they were steering incorrectly with murat). there is no logic to that.
Tanner's evidence of a sighting was given on the very first day of the investigation - 4th may.

Tannerman evolved over time. He was blurry, then there were details added, then he was Robert Murat, then he wasn't.

With her friends under suspicion from Amaral and the gang, Jane's imagination might've started to take over a little bit - perhaps subconsciously. It's not uncommon though. Witnesses to crimes and events often do this.

EDIT: mrjitty's offered some good commentary above on how it may have happened

 

[peanutJelly]

So a carefully planned abduction involving 2 or more perps?

Round in circles again, for those of us following since the first thread, could people maybe start on thread 1, this has already been discussed? Not being rude, it’s just frustrating now having been here since thread #1

 

[tedtink]

Round in circles again, for those of us following since the first thread, could people maybe start on thread 1, this has already been discussed? Not being rude hear, it’s just frustrating now having been here since thread #1

"People" on a discussion site, discussing? Whatever next?

 

[TizerisT]

This seems really feasible to me. Also to stick his head out to see if coast is clear in the street

To see if the path is clear, totally believable. However, keeping it open, would have possibly let too much noise in for his liking if 3 kids were asleep. The clinking of forks, background laughter and passing vehicles would have made the task more difficult for someone almost certainly tiptoeing around.

 

[Lyndaloo]

They repaired a blind in the front bedroom and yeah something about the washing machine.

Kate was shown how to work the washing machine when window blind was repaired.

 

[tedtink]

I know it's Red Top - Take it with a pinch of salt, but I'll drop it in anyway.

Christian B left Portugal days before Maddie disappearance to set up drugs network

 

[haden]

Some news: German prosecutors say they have 'concrete evidence, not mere indications' that Madeleine McCann | Daily Mail Online
German prosecutors say they have 'concrete evidence, not mere indications' that Madeleine McCann is dead..

How come Portugal has sent the DNA samples in the case of 72 year old Christian B's rape victim but they are refusing to send the evidence in Madeleine's case?

 

[leticiaoliveira]

I know it's Red Top - Take it with a pinch of salt, but I'll drop it in anyway.

Christian B left Portugal days before Maddie disappearance to set up drugs network

Headline says "before"
First paragraph says "after"
What does that even mean...

 

[sleuth-d-]

Tannerman evolved over time. He was blurry, then there were details added, then he was Robert Murat, then he wasn't.

With her friends under suspicion from Amaral and the gang, Jane's imagination might've started to take over a little bit - perhaps subconsciously. It's not uncommon though. Witnesses to crimes and events often do this.

EDIT: mrjitty's offered some good commentary above on how it may have happened

here's her description from day 1:

( * ) Dark skinned individual, male sex, aged between 35-40, slim physical appearance, about 1.70m tall. Very dark, thick hair, longer at the back (she could only see him from behind). He was wearing linen type cloth trousers, beige to golden in colour, a "duffy" sic type jacket (but not that thick). His shoes were dark in colour, classic type. He had a hurried walk. He was carrying a child, who was lying on both his arms, in front of his chest. By the way he was dressed, he gave her the impression that he was not a tourist, because he was very "warmly dressed".

(**) About the child whom appeared to be sleeping, she only saw her legs. The child appeared to be older than a baby. She was barefoot and was wearing what appeared to be cotton pyjamas of a light colour (possibly white or light pink). She is not certain, but has the impression a design on the pyjamas, possibly a floral pattern, but she is not certain.

P.J. POLICE FILES: JANE TANNER'S STATEMENT 04 MAY 2008

1.70m is approx 5'7"-5'8"
Tanner said she saw the individual from approx 5 metres away - the length of a decent sized lounge room.
the guy SY said she saw is approx 6'5"
her own partner is approx 6'5"

yet she did a positive id on Murat, who was nowhere near 6'5".
there was/still is certainly a lot of unexplainable blurriness.

and then people blame the portuguese LE for a bungled investigation. it would be laughable if it wasn't so serious. moo.

edit: wrong link:! corrected

 

[Fizzysolvescrime91]

I've always read it that way.

The 'checking system' always sounded like bollocks to me. Are a group of 7 or 8 friends really going to have someone getting up every 5 minutes? And if yes, why? If you feel the need to check on the kids that much, isn't that an obvious indicator that they shouldn't be left alone? I don't think the checks were as regular as we're told.

As for Tannerman, I'm not sure of the timeline and when he came into existence. However, I've always wondered if the sighting was embellished upon, or even fabricated, in order to steer the investigators towards an abductor. There's a certain logic to it.

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Bob on my thoughts.

the McCanns are victims and are treated as such in WS (rightly so), so I suggest the following with the upmost respect, and only in the interest of the timeline and availability for the abduction:- but it’s quite clear in the years that have passed that the window to perform this heinous crime was large.

sadly, there is little to no sense in the frequency the group needed to check on their children. You just wouldn’t leave them alone (again, not a needless and cruel criticism, they’ve paid the worst possible price, but a mere observation). I’m confident they embellished. Meaning:

The “window” in the timing sense is wide open in comparison to what we think it is. The opportunity to abduct far greater.

EBM: Lots of babble, also lots of gin. Sorry!

 

[Owlpellet]

I know it's Red Top - Take it with a pinch of salt, but I'll drop it in anyway.

Christian B left Portugal days before Maddie disappearance to set up drugs network

Headline says he went "before" disappearance, but the text says he went "after" unless I'm misreading something?

 

[tedtink]

Headline says "before"
First paragraph says "after"
What does that even mean...

Yes, waiting with bated breath to see which word they edit haha.

 

[sleuth-d-]

Round in circles again, for those of us following since the first thread, could people maybe start on thread 1, this has already been discussed? Not being rude, it’s just frustrating now having been here since thread #1

the more times you go round the more new details you might find.
also, this discussion started in 2007, so it has been around way more times than just since thread 1.

 

[leticiaoliveira]

Yes, waiting with bated breath to see which word they edit haha.

They need the clicks don't they

 

[sleuth-d-]

double post!