Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #7

[Dlk79]

I thought it was originally from one of the children attacked in their beds by an intruder in PdL. But yes, there was also the photofit from the other attack.

I read that 3 boys saw Tristan being attacked in the tunnel and that was where the photofit came from?

 

[Owlpellet]

I read that 3 boys saw Tristan being attacked in the tunnel and that was where the photofit came from?

yes, but isn't a scar on the lip part of the description of the intruder in PdL?

ETA I can't find it now, but here's an article about it i hadn't read before Evidence of attacks on kids before Maddie snatch

 

[Kikixxxx]

A clear side on photo would be good. The philtrum above his lip looks quite prominent to me. I'm wondering if it could be mistaken for a hare lip. The sighting was in a tunnel, light from only one end, potentially accentuating any features or scars due to the shadows.

I can only find this one of him side on. It’s not clear enough though to tell.

 

[SouthAussie]

A clear side on photo would be good. The philtrum above his lip looks quite prominent to me. I'm wondering if it could be mistaken for a hare lip. The sighting was in a tunnel, light from only one end, potentially accentuating any features or scars due to the shadows.

Here are a couple of other side view photos.


Christian Brueckner Madeleine McCann | Info - BingiNews


Police hunt Madeleine McCann suspect's 'underage Kosovan' ex who lived with him in Praia da Luz - 247 News Around The World

 

[Owlpellet]

Here are a couple of other side view photos.

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Christian Brueckner Madeleine McCann | Info - BingiNews

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Police hunt Madeleine McCann suspect's 'underage Kosovan' ex who lived with him in Praia da Luz - 247 News Around The World

I think his chin is maybe receding rather than his top lip protruding. But as Dlk said, maybe that is what was mistaken for a cleft lip.

 

[Dlk79]

yes, but isn't a scar on the lip part of the description of the intruder in PdL?

ETA I can't find it now, but here's an article about it i hadn't read before Evidence of attacks on kids before Maddie snatch

The E-fit we've seen on the thread is only from the 3 schoolchildren who saw him in the tunnel. Can't really comment on the supposed intruder in PDL or whether there is a link to TB, can't see anything concrete there, but can't dismiss the possibility either.

 

[sleuth-d-]

Yes he went to prison, the fine was in addition. CB didn't pay his which is why the blue van was impounded.

Makes me think now, was the reason he transferred the title of the Jag due to him being concerned about having it impounded as well? For some reason I thought AB had the title transferred it to him afer MM disappeared and CB went back to Germany but I'm not sure now. The article linked below has a piece from AB in it and it says he had the Jag registered to him while CB was in prison in Portugal (presumably for the diesel theft). It then reads as though CB transferred it from AB to another acquintance based in Munich of the 4th May.

"At some point I reached the conclusion that he was involved with drugs,' he added, and was in prison in Portugal for two or three months, during which time he handed over the Jagguar car to him.

'When he came out, he was back here quickly, I didn't know more at the time,' he says. Later, he gave the car over to an acquaintance in Munich. 'He always made surprisingly quick decisions,' he added."

Police link jailed paedophile to abduction of girl aged five in 2015

more riddles in the jag story. makes sense what you say about the jag transfer being related to non-payment of fine/impounding
dates i have for portugal:
1999: 2 months for theft
2006: march - december: 9 months for diesel theft. during this time as you say the 1st jag transfer took place.
so, based on the above bold italics... soon after december 2006 CB turns up in augsburg with the jag - to give it to friend AB (AB has use of the jag for three months - so maybe february 2007). and the 'being pulled behind the camper van' part of the AB story comes in here.
2007: may 4: transfers jag registration to this other fella in Munich.
sometime after may 4th the jag is picked up from augsburg by the new fella?
• jag was not in PdL in 2007, and not involved in abduction.
• jag has only been mentioned to help jog people's memories of CB with the jag at other times.

still can't work out if he sold the jag, or just kept changing the register keeper.

 

[Dlk79]

more riddles in the jag story. makes sense what you say about the jag transfer being related to non-payment of fine/impounding
dates i have for portugal:
1999: 2 months for theft
2006: march - december: 9 months for diesel theft. during this time as you say the 1st jag transfer took place.
so, based on the above bold italics... soon after december 2006 CB turns up in augsburg with the jag - to give it to friend AB (AB has use of the jag for three months - so maybe february 2007). and the 'being pulled behind the camper van' part of the AB story comes in here.
2007: may 4: transfers jag registration to this other fella in Munich.
sometime after may 4th the jag is picked up from augsburg by the new fella?
• jag was not in PdL in 2007, and not involved in abduction.
• jag has only been mentioned to help jog people's memories of CB with the jag at other times.

still can't work out if he sold the jag, or just kept changing the register keeper.

Thats a really good aspect of the potential timeline. It's absolutely bizarre isn't it though with how we're trying to piece it all together? I'm not sure even SY know, a week ago they still thought it was in Portugal on the 4th of May. I'm just hoping German LE know what the full story behind it is.

 

[sleuth-d-]

Thats a good aspect of the potential timeline. It's absolutely bizarre isn't it though with how we're trying to piece it all together? I'm not sure even SY know, they still thought it was in Portugal on the 4th a week ago. I'm just hoping German LE know what the full story behind it is.

tbh, i assume we are piecing together very small pieces of the bigger picture. i also think the media coverage is the main reason for the chaos with dates, facts and details.
i am very happy that LE don't give all the details away.

 

[Dlk79]

tbh, i assume we are piecing together very small pieces of the bigger picture. i also think the media coverage is the main reason for the chaos with dates, facts and details.
i am very happy that LE don't give all the details away.

Totally agree. It's those bits we aren't hearing about that are key.

The media are just feeding of the scraps, LE will be dictacting which aspects of the case and which people are off limits. There's several people I can think of, who could be potential key witnesses in this investigation, and they haven't been mentioned in the press yet which I see as a positive thing.

 

[SouthAussie]

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still can't work out if he sold the jag, or just kept changing the register keeper.

An ex said the Jag was his pride and joy.

"Chris loved his cars, especially his Jaguar. It was his pride and joy. It was very clean and he drove it carefully."
Madeleine McCann suspect's ex says police should find his battered estate car

 

[sleuth-d-]

Totally agree. It's those bits we aren't hearing about that are key.

The media are just feeding of the scraps, LE will be dictacting which aspects of the case and which people are off limits. There's several people I can think of, who could be potential key witnesses in this investigation, and they haven't been mentioned in the press yet which I see as a positive thing.

intriguing... now i am wondering where they have been mentioned, if you have their names?

 

[Dlk79]

intriguing... now i am wondering where they have been mentioned, if you have their names?

Jayne Jensen, her sister and the 12yr old witness in the Ocean club. Plus the identities of people tied to the investigation who could easily be found by the press but haven't been mentioned in detail anywhere - the title holder of the Jag on the 4th, the mutual accomplice of AB and CB, the various girlfriends, the mysterious Roman, the diesel-stealing Austrian friend who first reported the rape videos, the man he called on the night (it has been reported they found him), the bar confession man. And quite a few potential others who I maybe shouldn't mention by name

 

[mrjitty]

This is one of the biggest cases in recent times. It seems they have full confidence that this is their man and why would you think they would tell us exactly why that is? How would that help? Yes it seems they don't have quite enough evidence to guarantee a conviction just yet, so what would you do in their position?

IMO they've made the appeal now to gather those last bits of evidence from everyone who knew him in order to get a conviction. We don't know what other evidence they have, who it involves, where it comes from. My guess is they dont want CB to know that either, hence the reason for not pressing the charge just yet.

There's no rush to divulge what evidence they have to him, he's not going anywhere. This media involvement is a deliberate plan by HCW, just remeber we didn't even know who CB was a couple of weeks ago, let alone what evidence they had against him. They are telling us only what they want us to know and no more.

BIB

I guess as a lawyer I am old fashioned about this.

The process by which the state announces complete confidence in guilt is by laying charges.

Prior to that stage, one has suspects under investigation.

Announcing that the suspect is certainly guilty, despite lacking the evidence to bring charges is a dangerous state of affairs IMO.

 

[Dlk79]

BIB

I guess as a lawyer I am old fashioned about this.

The process by which the state announces complete confidence in guilt is by laying charges.

Prior to that stage, one has suspects under investigation.

Announcing that the suspect is certainly guilty, despite lacking the evidence to bring charges is a dangerous state of affairs IMO.

Dangerous in what way? What do they risk losing as opposed to keeping quiet?

Assuming you know the man is guilty, but don't have quite enough evidence, what other options are there?

I'm not being facetious, but am genuinely interested to know what you would do in that event as a law professional. Don't know if your field is German law but once you raise a charge, you have to present them with all your evidence. Would you do that now, knowing you have some good evidence but could potentially get more, while the suspect is stuck in prison anyway serving out another sentence?

 

[peanutJelly]

It should be worldwide IMO, wouldn't be hard to set up at all. There's no downside, it would make the world a safer place and help tracking down criminals much easier but wont ever happen due to politics.

The logistics of interfacing all the different IT systems across all countries, even just in the EU, and then efficiently maintaining those interfaces so they don’t fail is a mammoth task that would need to be sufficiently resourced.

 

[mrjitty]

Dangerous in what way? What do they risk losing as opposed to keeping quiet?

It is simply the constitutional principle. The state does not get to declare guilt by media.

Assuming you know the man is guilty, but don't have quite enough evidence, what other options are there?

Again it is routine to have suspects and launch public appeals. One can do it without declaring the absolute guilt of the suspect in advance.

I'm not being facetious, but am genuinely interested to know what you would do in that event as a law professional. Don't know if your field is German law but once you raise a charge, you have to present them with all your evidence. Would you do that now, knowing you have some good evidence but could potentially get more, while the suspect is stuck in prison anyway serving out another sentence?

I think you have the wrong end of the stick. I have no issue with public appeals.

But logically it is hard to square the state announcing 100% guilt, whilst also lacking the evidence to prove it.

That leads to a slippery slope of the state pronouncing people guilty of crimes whilst never charging them, and we do know it is not uncommon for the prosecution to falsely accuse people.

So I prefer the traditional approach. Whilst the state may have high conviction of guilt, they should stick to the language of suspects until they have sufficient prospects to charge and proceed to trial.

Declaring guilt without charging, I see as problematic.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

Madeleine McCann case: tabloids and trolls fill vacuum as wait goes on

 

[BellMat]

A pretty accurate summary of the current state of CB and MM and the media by The Guardian.

In the absence of new info, the tabloids have reverted to type. And the trolls and conspiracy theorists simply won’t be told. Sigh.

Madeleine McCann case: tabloids and trolls fill vacuum as wait goes on

It’s a pity reputable news media organisations like The Guardian aren’t doing more reporting or investigating. I guess they have no reason to. Still, some sensible, fact-checked, properly written articles would be a nice change!

 

[Chiatos]

Apologies if this has been discussed before ( and I've forgotten the outcome!)
Referring to the rape of the 72-year old woman.

"The crime was investigated by Portuguese authorities but was closed the following year. Brückner’s involvement only came to light much later, after a former accomplice, with whom he had previously stolen diesel fuel, discovered a video Brückner had apparently filmed of the rape, and eventually went to police."

I thought the first they heard of the rape was the confession in a bar?
ETA
From the Guardian 4th June

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner fled police in 1995

The former accomplice could have been the same person at the bar?