Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #7

[NCanning]

My God that house in Mirror article isn't it very similar to the one in Carol Everett's drawing from 2007? And she mentions cellar, too... so spooky!!

Maddy Maddie McCann

I don't think the houses are alike at all?

 

[Tim N]

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Wikipedia is a free online encyclopedia, created and edited by volunteers around the world and hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation. Please keep in mind this could not be an accurate source.

I hear you, but.. i dont think you can write the source out just because its wikipedia. The page cites the official sources it refers to, thats one of the many rules you need to abide by when contributing...its actually difficult to add to it because you need to cite source, have it verified, and then reviewed and so on..so, its whilst its not the official repository for all things, and it cant claim 100% accuracy, it does do a good job of capturing the facts due to its strict processes.

I think there hasnt been enough consideration that a group of tight or loosely knit people with similar interests- kids, drugs, partying, deviant behaviours, can be inadvertently involved, or implicated - which makes the certainty of an individual more difficult to prove.

My suggestion is that amongst a crowd, its more difficult to prove it was that one person who performed one particular activity, whilst others are performing various similar activities, but perhaps not to the same extremities.

But it seems people dont believe the 5% claim on the Wiki page. I really didnt just make it up, i just searched for it and thats the figure that came up, and i followed the citings and it seems to check out as that figure is well supported.

So to be conservative and even more sceptical, i suggested we entertain that the site page isnt correct ( we have no basis to dismiss it), and pick a much more 'believable' number...say, 1%.

What does 1% mean?
Theres STILL 20 pedos in PdL..(if it was an average location, which it isnt.. )
Theres STILL 100,000 (500,000 if 5%) in Portugal..thats 1 pedo every 9.2km for the 1% assumption) and every 1.8km if you assume that the proportion is 5% ) Now, this is ASSUMING THAT PEOPLE ARE EQUALLY SPACED OUT.

Now, since most people occupy 1/3rd to 1/2 of Portugal, So in reality the area is only 46,000 sq km. There are between 2 and 11 p'philes per square kilometre.

On one hand, if you assume that the number of p'philes is based on area, then PdL has between 42 and 250 p'philes. By population (3500) its between 35 and 175 in the area..again IF PdL was just an average area, which it isnt. It attracts a certain type of person and people.

To make it even clearer, this means that the average distance between p'philes is between 80m and 5km. Thats easily close enough to know each other. IMO

It (a few people working with, or at the same thing) does seem to fit the narrative. The evidence that MM is dead couldve been on the USB, but perhaps there are multiple unidentified people on it, and they cant be exactly certain..but perhaps they witnessed murder?..

yes its all speculation but i think that we need to understand other factors such as the local demographics and other aspects that arent directly related to information reported on.

 

[Buddha_with_mace]

Imagine being born with those tendencies, I'm not at all excusing people who act out on their urges, but there must be an awful lot of people out there who have an attraction to children that they can't just turn off, it actually must be so confusing and shameful for them, they know it's wrong but a feeling is not something you choose, must be a miserable life for the majority who secretly feel that way and spend their lives trying to ignore it. Of course those that do act on it know it's wrong and that's inexcusable, I don't know, it's seen as an 'evil' tendency, but I guess for a lot of people they wish to god they weren't that way. I'm fascinated by psychology and I think so many people are misunderstood, again, that doesn't excuse the behaviour of those that choose to act on their urges.

 

[Chiatos]

I read of him, full frontal naked on the hood of the jaguar.. it makes one wonder, Who took these pictures of him! Must be a gf surely X

I think he filmed himself.
He did that too when raping the old lady. He entered her room/apartment, attacked her and set up his filming gear and carried on.
I have no link at the moment, but that's what has been described in the article(s) about that rape.

 

[Chiatos]

This?

Madeleine McCann suspect went to extreme lengths to keep Portugal home secret

So, Barrocal is popping up again.
Mr Piro is the owner of a run-down property in Barrocal near Sao Bartolomeu de Messines a 45-minute drive from Praia da Luz where Brueckner’s VW camper van was seized by police around a year ago.

And what interest would a business man have to bail CB out?
Mr Piro is the owner of a run-down property in Barrocal near Sao Bartolomeu de Messines a 45-minute drive from Praia da Luz where Brueckner’s VW camper van was seized by police around a year ago.

 

[Dlk79]

The Guardian article, which wasn’t about CB as such, said:

“In Germany it is suspected ... that the proof of Madeleine’s death may not be admissible in court because of how it was obtained.”

That would make sense, I guess. Something they know but can’t use? I’m not familiar with German law so I can’t speculate on what’s considered ‘inadmissible’ there.

Madeleine McCann case: tabloids and trolls fill vacuum as wait goes on

It's possible but the full passage is as follows -

In Germany it is suspected either that the proof of Madeleine’s death may not be admissible in court because of how it was obtained, or that police are deliberately holding back information that could only be known to the perpetrator in order not to jeopardise the investigation.

So, basically they are just reporting on speculation from in Germany. The problem with the "inadmissable evidence" theory is that German LE have stated repeatedly they have "concrete evidence" that CB murdered MM but they cannot divulge it in case it jeopardises the investigation. Would they really do that knowing that evidence cannot even be used in court? Seems unlikley to me.

The second speculation sounds more reasonable. It's also possible (in fact probable) that there are active agents deep undercover, trying to infiltrate paedophile networks. If the evidence has come via one of these agents, again, it would be dangerous to reveal it since it could alert others to the source of the leak.

On the other hand, if they do have a video, it would make no sense to reveal that at this stage, how would it help? The McCann's would be distraught, the Press would go nuts with it, as would everyone else and it would put the German LE under the most intense pressure. Not to mention any associates could try to destroy any existing evidence in relation to it such as the crime scene. What happens at the end of it all if CB still walks free?

Whatever the evidence is, I suspect it's something very few people know about.

 

[Chiatos]

Mirror already has developments:

Madeleine McCann suspect buried 'German Maddie' at my allotment, new owner fears

They say he lived there until April 2016, so anything they wanted to check there might have been done since 2013.

New owner, a 30YO woman says she called police and they came "in 2016 at 8am" asked her if she knew him and left after she said no.

I don't know what to say.

Link does not work?

 

[Tim N]

So, Barrocal is popping up again.
Mr Piro is the owner of a run-down property in Barrocal near Sao Bartolomeu de Messines a 45-minute drive from Praia da Luz where Brueckner’s VW camper van was seized by police around a year ago.

And what interest would a business man have to bail CB out?
Mr Piro is the owner of a run-down property in Barrocal near Sao Bartolomeu de Messines a 45-minute drive from Praia da Luz where Brueckner’s VW camper van was seized by police around a year ago.

he's one of many who were on the periphery, into 'stuff' with CB, maybe helped him run a serious amount of $ in drugs, etc. etc. many participants all with something to be accountable for that isnt right..closing ranks so to speak.

 

[MENDEL]

Link does not work?

Madeleine McCann suspect buried 'German Maddie' at my allotment, new owner fears

Something went wrong or it's because they updated article today.

 

[MENDEL]

So, Barrocal is popping up again.
Mr Piro is the owner of a run-down property in Barrocal near Sao Bartolomeu de Messines a 45-minute drive from Praia da Luz where Brueckner’s VW camper van was seized by police around a year ago.

And what interest would a business man have to bail CB out?
Mr Piro is the owner of a run-down property in Barrocal near Sao Bartolomeu de Messines a 45-minute drive from Praia da Luz where Brueckner’s VW camper van was seized by police around a year ago.

I can't answer that. Mr. Piro is German. So anything from national solidarity to complicity might explain that.

 

[MENDEL]

A very nice 18min. documentary by Portuguese state-run television RTP.

It's in Portuguese of course, except HCW's interview, where he's asked in English and answers in German.

Some documents are disclosed by his lawer, including court papers. He was charged by a Family Court in 2006, which may mean his accomplice Michel was minor at the time.

Mr. Wolters says they say MM is dead based on evidence collected in the past 2Y.

https://cdn-ondemand.rtp.pt/nas2.share/informacao/2020/wcasomadeleine_0619ww_288020.mp4

 

[Kikixxxx]

The files say: “An English woman, who had obviously heard what had happened to her, also whispered to her at some point behind closed doors ‘the same thing’ had happened to her.”

The UK woman died of cancer before her claim could be investigated.

During B’s trial, witnesses described disturbing videos in which two women were seen being raped. One victim spoke English, the other Italian.

Maddie suspect Christian B 'raped' British woman in Praia da Luz

 

[photographer4]

CB's ex-gf hiding from the police is making me start thinking she knows something, either about his crimes in general or about MM's abduction/alleged murder, specifically. IMO.

This wouldn't shock me since one GF (or a friend of theirs? I can't actually recall offhand), has said that she found images on his computer and he beat her as a result. If someone found images of abuse (of any age), and did nothing to report it, then they are complicit. Anyone who saw images or video probably doesn't want to talk to police now for this reason. They probably fear they could also be charged....

 

[Bit of hope]

Imagine being born with those tendencies, I'm not at all excusing people who act out on their urges, but there must be an awful lot of people out there who have an attraction to children that they can't just turn off, it actually must be so confusing and shameful for them, they know it's wrong but a feeling is not something you choose, must be a miserable life for the majority who secretly feel that way and spend their lives trying to ignore it. Of course those that do act on it know it's wrong and that's inexcusable, I don't know, it's seen as an 'evil' tendency, but I guess for a lot of people they wish to god they weren't that way. I'm fascinated by psychology and I think so many people are misunderstood, again, that doesn't excuse the behaviour of those that choose to act on their urges.

I like your post...thoughtful and intelligent. Yes, you are right there is a difference, but I'm not going to do this conversation all over again. I did explain and contemplated on this issue a few threads back and I let it go now.

 

[BellMat]

It's possible but the full passage is as follows -

In Germany it is suspected either that the proof of Madeleine’s death may not be admissible in court because of how it was obtained, or that police are deliberately holding back information that could only be known to the perpetrator in order not to jeopardise the investigation.

So, basically they are just reporting on speculation from in Germany. The problem with the "inadmissable evidence" theory is that German LE have stated repeatedly they have "concrete evidence" that CB murdered MM but they cannot divulge it in case it jeopardises the investigation. Would they really do that knowing that evidence cannot even be used in court? Seems unlikley to me.

The second speculation sounds more reasonable. It's also possible (in fact probable) that there are active agents deep undercover, trying to infiltrate paedophile networks. If the evidence has come via one of these agents, again, it would be dangerous to reveal it since it could alert others to the source of the leak.

On the other hand, if they do have a video, it would make no sense to reveal that at this stage, how would it help? The McCann's would be distraught, the Press would go nuts with it, as would everyone else and it would put the German LE under the most intense pressure. Not to mention any associates could try to destroy any existing evidence in relation to it such as the crime scene. What happens at the end of it all if CB still walks free?

Whatever the evidence is, I suspect it's something very few people know about.

A lot to unpack there ...

I think the second speculation (holding back) is basically standard procedure with LE so that’s why I was more curious about the first (admissibility). If that’s the case it’s an interesting idea. For example, where did the horrible message the media reported about CB talking about abusing a child come from and how did they get it? Just a message to a friend or something darker ...

I’m aware of the work of things like TF Argos but it’s controversial, and in some countries illegal, to infiltrate networks that way. That’s why I brought up entrapment also. Not that they have, but it’s possible ...

Lastly, I’m cautious about “concrete evidence” because that wording was a translation in English media. The prosecutor clarified it was strong circumstantial evidence, which is slightly different.

 

[Buddha_with_mace]

Yes, you are right there is a difference, but I'm not going to do this conversation all over again. I did explain and contemplated on this issue a few threads back and I let it go now.

I didn't even see it to be honest, I was just putting down what was in my head.

 

[Bit of hope]

I didn't even see it to be honest, I was just putting down what was in my head.

That's understandable considering all the posts made, pages and pages...and no problem at all. I liked your post. Even better that it comes straight from your hart/head.

 

[MENDEL]

Police probing Madeleine McCann suspect find kids' swimwear and 8,000 sick pics

Police probing Madeleine McCann suspect find kids' swimwear and 8,000 sick pics

Nothing new here and I haven't even read it yet.

I post it for the pictures, 2 new pictures of CB, his house at Am FullerKamp near Braunschweig where he lived from 2013-2016, and a picture of his Allegro van, now depicting plate (German, from Augsburg, Bavaria).

 

[SouthAussie]

<RSBM>

I’m aware of the work of things like TF Argos but it’s controversial, and in some countries illegal, to infiltrate networks that way. That’s why I brought up entrapment also. Not that they have, but it’s possible ...

Wow ... really? It is illegal in some countries to delve into the dark web and catch these disgusting child abusers?

We have had a whole bunch of 'dark web' arrests this year - the result of two years of hard (and, no doubt, heartbreaking) work.

I couldn't imagine that anyone would be against such a thing. Let alone make it illegal. Not to mention, in that process, create a safe harbour for these horrible criminals to enact their horrible and soul-destroying crimes.

 

[photographer4]

She did talk to the police, actually (I didn't know). But what she told the police remains secret. So she's not hiding from the police. She's hiding from CB/his "friends."

If she is hiding from CB's friends, we have to guess this is because his friends are still loyal to him, and are aware of his criminal activity / involvement in this matter or other similar matters. If they weren't loyal to him still, they wouldn't pose a threat to her. OR... she hides from them because they themselves are somehow involved / implicated in this matter, or some other matter involving CB. More and more it points to a ring in my opinion.