Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #8

[Chiatos]

I just thought that (only) the Jag was registrered to a new owner day after MM disappearance?

I' ll have to check the Daily Mail again ..

 

[worldwatcher]

I' ll have to check the Daily Mail again ..

BKA (scroll down)
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherhei...rhalt_englisch.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=4

 

[sleuth-d-]

So on the day after MMs disappearance the VW gets registered to a new owner in Augsburg, but keeps its Portuguese number plates. And it also remains in Portugal according to LE.

The Jag is also related to Augsburg.

The jag was the car apparently registered to a new owner on may 4th.
although, if you read this...
‘At the time in question, the suspect used a dark coloured Jaguar XJR 6. We do not hold any information on the specific registration of the vehicle before the offence was committed. The last known registration after the day of the offence was a city of Augsburg registration.‘
this is the official German LE translation. May 4th not mentioned. Just that sometime after 3rd May it was registered in Augsburg.
Has that statement been wrongly interpreted as registration ‘the day after the offence’?
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt_englisch.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=4

 

[Lilly b]

If both incidents of an adult carrying a child, are not MM, then we could say its a common thing in PDL, so CB new this, and had no issue carrying a child somewhere?

 

[Lilly b]

Great work! I am sure that was very time consuming.

Did you want to put the timeline in its own thread (for ease of finding it again and editing).
We often create a separate thread for the timeline, and important media links, that become difficult to find as time goes by and the threads grow and grow. Especially when a case goes on for years and years.

Wonder if he made any connections whilst in prison??

 

[Chiatos]

BKA (scroll down)
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherhei...rhalt_englisch.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=4

Yes, thanks for correcting me! You're absolutely right, my mix-up, sorry for that. Got too carried away by the way things are being described in this article in the Daily Mail:
Maddie McCann suspect sold his VW campervan in 2015 to a car scrapyard | Daily Mail Online

 

[SouthAussie]

If both incidents of an adult carrying a child, are not MM, then we could say its a common thing in PDL, so CB new this, and had no issue carrying a child somewhere?

I have been looking back at the cases of Inga Gehricke and Rene Hasee, to see if there are great similarities .. or not.

Both Inga and Rene suddenly vanished.
There was about a '10 minute' window when Inga disappeared. (Another child's estimate.)
There seems to be practically no window of time when Rene disappeared. One minute he was there, 30 metres in front of his mother, then 'next minute' he was gone. His footprints in the sand suddenly ended.

If Brueckner is the perp of these crimes, I don't think he would hesitate in carrying Madeleine off - whether he could be briefly seen or not. I think of him giving the kids lollies to subdue/entice them - in the same way he gave free lollies to the children at the kiosk, and the way he gave free drugs to young girls for sex.

 

[Kikixxxx]

Well, we really don't know why he said that. But one thing is for sure ... I have followed many, many cases here and not once have I heard/read a police officer or prosecutor say that. So I tend to put a little more importance on it.

Sometimes law enforcement hint at what they know - not for us, but to let other people 'in the know' that police are aware of what happened and that the noose is tightening. imo

Me neither, but there’s a lot of things the German prosecutors have done or said that I’ve never seen before when following a case either. I can’t work out if it’s just a cultural or language difference or if it means there’s more to it. I’ve never heard of any prosecutor give so many interviews or drip feed info to journalists before a suspect has even been charged, That just wouldn’t happen over here at all. And for good reason mind, we’ve seen just how much they can twist words. Give them an inch they’ll take a mile!

 

[SouthAussie]

Me neither, but there’s a lot of things the German prosecutors have done or said that I’ve never seen before when following a case either. I can’t work out if it’s just a cultural or language difference or if it means there’s more to it. I’ve never heard of any prosecutor give so many interviews or drip feed info to journalists before a suspect has even been charged, That just wouldn’t happen over here at all. And for good reason mind, we’ve seen just how much they can twist words. Give them an inch they’ll take a mile!

I can't help but think of what Simon Foy said:

BBM
Simon Foy (Scotland Yard’s previous head of homicide): My experience of working with the German police is that they are very careful. What they say publicly, they would have recognised the significance of it, they would have recognised the international sensitivity of it, and they would probably have recognised the public interest in it. It’s the fact that they made that statement (that Madeleine is dead) is in itself significant.
Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #8


ETA: Having said that ... it is possible that the prosecutor didn't want to say the word 'blood' so he said parts. There may be evidence of blood in whatever they have seen/know.

 

[BellMat]

FYI, for anyone doing a timeline ...

CB molested a 6 year old girl in a playground in September 1993. Thus he was 16, not 17, when he committed his first (known?) child molestation.

About 6 months later, just before he was due in court for the previous offence, he exposed himself to a 9 year old. By then he had turned 17.

It’s a small correction, I guess, but I’ve read he molested the young girl when he was 17 — this is misreporting based on when he was sentenced around March 1994.

 

[worldwatcher]

I have been looking back at the cases of Inga Gehricke and Rene Hasee, to see if there are great similarities .. or not.

Both Inga and Rene suddenly vanished.
There was about a '10 minute' window when Inga disappeared. (Another child's estimate.)
There seems to be practically no window of time when Rene disappeared. One minute he was there, 30 metres in front of his mother, then 'next minute' he was gone. His footprints in the sand suddenly ended.

If Brueckner is the perp of these crimes, I don't think he would hesitate in carrying Madeleine off - whether he could be briefly seen or not. I think of him giving the kids lollies to subdue/entice them - in the same way he gave free lollies to the children at the kiosk, and the way he gave free drugs to young girls for sex.

I just read that there no indications between the connection of the disappearance of little Inga and CB,based on (?) :-there was no evidence that this was near the crime scene, because the suspect's cell phone was not logged into the crime scene area.

@ChatteringBirds I agree with you (on Inga’s thread) that it doesn’t rule CB out,if that is only based on a logged in cellphone.MOO

 

[LeopardLeotard]

Looks like there are a few other near misses with this guy that they are looking into
'It was one of a dozen attacks or near misses on young Britons in the Algarve linked to the same serial child abuser between 2004 and 2010.

In each incident the attacker crept into the property and sat on the child’s bed or tried to get under the sheets before fleeing.

Police said in a number of cases the attacker was disturbed by the child’s horrified parents.

Nine of the sexual assaults on children aged between six and 12 took place early in the morning'
Madeleine McCann suspect 'carried out sex attacks on British kids'

 

[SouthAussie]

I just read that there no indications between the connection of the disappearance of little Inga and CB,based on (?) :-there was no evidence that this was near the crime scene, because the suspect's cell phone was not logged into the crime scene area.

@ChatteringBirds I agree with you (on Inga’s thread) that it doesn’t rule CB out,if that is only based on a logged in cellphone.MOO

Yes, I saw that. Seems that they are still/now suspicious of the dark van (possibly a blue Bedford van?) seen driving from the area where Inga was taken though.


"A dark van similar to one Brückner owns is sighted leaving the abduction site but Inga is never found. "
Everything we know about Christian Brückner: German prosecutors' prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

 

[Lilly b]

Yes, I saw that. Seems that they are still/now suspicious of the dark van (possibly a blue Bedford van?) seen driving from the area where Inga was taken though.


"A dark van similar to one Brückner owns is sighted leaving the abduction site but Inga is never found. "
Everything we know about Christian Brückner: German prosecutors' prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

He was involved in a minor car accident the day before she vanished, not that far away, would be interesting to know what vehicle he was in

 

[photographer4]

DBM

 

[Officer Dibble]

This article is from 2012. 5 years after MM.

30 kids lost in Portugal since Maddie went missing

I just knew it. Terrible.

 

[Dlk79]

Yes, I saw that. Seems that they are still/now suspicious of the dark van (possibly a blue Bedford van?) seen driving from the area where Inga was taken though.


"A dark van similar to one Brückner owns is sighted leaving the abduction site but Inga is never found. "
Everything we know about Christian Brückner: German prosecutors' prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

It's not the Blue Bedford van. Police had already confiscated and destroyed it way before then. He obviously had a different van by 2015.

 

[SouthAussie]

It's not the Blue Bedford van. Police had already confiscated and destroyed it way before then. He obviously had a different van by 2015.

That's right ... temporarily forgot that was crushed in 2009.

Is it obvious he had a different (dark coloured) van by 2015? I haven't read that anywhere. Perhaps there is a link about him owning a dark van then? Or perhaps it is an assumption, because the police have been looking at Inga's case again.

 

[tedtink]

Amaral says that the day that police seized the VW from the scrap yard (2019), it had the drawings on it.
Amaral says that the photos of the VW -released by German police- do not show the actual state/appearance of the van when it had been found in the scrap yard in 2019.

So when CB first sold it to German scrap owner the son said they used it as a family car for a while, then I read that it was used as a 'party' van - maybe someone else decorated it.
For some reason I can't see that the characters painted on the van fit CB's profile - far too conspicuous imo

 

[photographer4]

FYI, for anyone doing a timeline ...

CB molested a 6 year old girl in a playground in September 1993. Thus he was 16, not 17, when he committed his first (known?) child molestation.

About 6 months later, just before he was due in court for the previous offence, he exposed himself to a 9 year old. By then he had turned 17.

It’s a small correction, I guess, but I’ve read he molested the young girl when he was 17 — this is misreporting based on when he was sentenced around March 1994.

Seems like he did not care if he was seen or not. Perhaps the idea of being caught is part of the thrill for this guy? So maybe he did carry MM off into the night without any effort to conceal her. He may know he walked by people who could have stopped him (eg: perhaps Tanner), or others. He may well have walked right past the parents in the bar who just may not have noticed him. We might never know, because it seems he isn't talking, and LE aren't ready to tell us how it all went down.