Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #9

[photographer4]

A Massive Media Maelstrom – McCann, Mandelson and Maxwell

Interesting article there about the likeness of an e-fit to a particular person. The person in question has NOT been named as having any involvement in this case, and therefore, I'm not naming anyone.

Madeleine McCann: Sister of suspect's ex wants him to die in prison

"Bruckner's ex, Nakscije Miftari, 25, is being cared for by social workers in Braunschweig, Germany, after news emerged that he had been named prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case."

Christian Brueckner's ex-partner 'is hiding in fear for her life'

Her brother, Mifail Miftari, told The Sun: 'I spoke to her two days ago. She has spoken to the police and they have told her to keep a low profile.

'She is in fear of her life and has been told not to speak to anyone by the police.

'She wouldn't tell me where she was and I don't want to know. It's for the best.

'I've read she is wanted by Interpol but that is not true.

'Nakscije knows nothing about Madeline's disappearance. She was only a little girl herself at the time, no more than ten-years-old.'

Does this guy even KNOW his sister? She is currently said to be 25 in other articles I've read. Who to believe? Him? Or the media? If she was 10yrs old, wtf was she doing in CB's company anyhow??? I'd really like to know where, where and how these two are said to have met. Like really.

 

[photographer4]

DBM

 

[Lilly b]

Can anyone link me something that explains what this photo is and where it came from? I've tried googling but haven't seen anything that explains and I missed whenever the photo came out/started being discussed. Is it known to be the actual van?

One of the pics, the one by malaga port, I found in the daily telegraph

 

[redplanet]

This is a quote from the dutch newspaper... i translated it in google translate. From this article: Privacy settings
So they are pretty sure somebody else was involved too. We still don't know who the other blonde friend was from CB,they looked kind of similar and speak English,so i think its not MT.. with MT he would speak German.

"Christian Hoppe said in the German investigation program in early June that there are indications that Maddie was killed. "There are reasons to believe that there are other people besides the suspect who know how that night went," he said. "Maybe they even know where the body was left." In a press conference the following day, prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters of the Public Prosecution Service (OM) in Braunschweig announced that the 43-year-old German is suspected of kidnapping and murdering Maddie and that the investigators believe she is dead."

TY, very interesting, do you have a link for the dutch newspaper article please?

This is a quote from the dutch newspaper... i translated it in google translate. From this article: Privacy settings
So they are pretty sure somebody else was involved too. We still don't know who the other blonde friend was from CB,they looked kind of similar and speak English,so i think its not MT.. with MT he would speak German.

"Christian Hoppe said in the German investigation program in early June that there are indications that Maddie was killed. "There are reasons to believe that there are other people besides the suspect who know how that night went," he said. "Maybe they even know where the body was left." In a press conference the following day, prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters of the Public Prosecution Service (OM) in Braunschweig announced that the 43-year-old German is suspected of kidnapping and murdering Maddie and that the investigators believe she is dead."

 

[Lilly b]

Can anyone link me something that explains what this photo is and where it came from? I've tried googling but haven't seen anything that explains and I missed whenever the photo came out/started being discussed. Is it known to be the actual van?

One of the pics, the one by malaga port, I found in the daily telegraph

A Massive Media Maelstrom – McCann, Mandelson and Maxwell

Interesting article there about the likeness of an e-fit to a particular person. The person in question has NOT been named as having any involvement in this case, and therefore, I'm not naming anyone. I am wondering, is it


Does this guy even KNOW his sister? She is currently said to be 25 in other articles I've read. Who to believe? Him? Or the media? If she was 10yrs old, wtf was she doing in CB's company anyhow??? I'd really like to know where, where and how these two are said to have met. Like really.

Photographer4, I have just been looking at that too, I did mention 2 American brothers prev, image of them, and the woman too, mentioning no names one of the male ones looked like the de silva fella too,

 

[photographer4]

This is a quote from the dutch newspaper... i translated it in google translate. From this article: Privacy settings
So they are pretty sure somebody else was involved too. We still don't know who the other blonde friend was from CB,they looked kind of similar and speak English,so i think its not MT.. with MT he would speak German.

"Christian Hoppe said in the German investigation program in early June that there are indications that Maddie was killed. "There are reasons to believe that there are other people besides the suspect who know how that night went," he said. "Maybe they even know where the body was left." In a press conference the following day, prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters of the Public Prosecution Service (OM) in Braunschweig announced that the 43-year-old German is suspected of kidnapping and murdering Maddie and that the investigators believe she is dead."

Might be reading too much into this, but he said "there are reasons to believe that there are other people besides the suspect who know how that night went... maybe they even know where the body was left".

This is interesting to me firstly because he says "reasons" (plural). This might be a reach on my part, but that may mean that they have more than one thing that suggests other people (again, people is plural) might know how it went down that night (night is singular). It makes me think they must have witness statement(s) from someone who was there, or who heard about it all second hand and they need solid proof of it - or others to come forward to corroborate. It also made me think whatever happened to that kid, happened in one night, vs being trafficked or passed about. Just thinking of possibilities and again, its probably way over reading into it...

 

[Dlk79]

Does this guy even KNOW his sister? She is currently said to be 25 in other articles I've read. Who to believe? Him? Or the media? If she was 10yrs old, wtf was she doing in CB's company anyhow??? I'd really like to know where, where and how these two are said to have met. Like really.

Yeah, I noticed that. If she is 25 now, it would have made her about 12 at the time of MM which is what he is referring to. Not sure why he said 10, maybe just guesstimating , genuinely wasn’t sure or just got mixed up. On the other hand, I 'm not sure where the statement about her being 25 now came from either, I'm assuming it's correct but couldn't say for definite. Others did claim she was underage when she was with CB but 17 isn't underage in Germany so I'm really not sure.

CB and her dated in 2012, 5 years after MM, which would have made her 17 then or 15 if we're going off her brother's statement.

ETA: This is the other thing that makes no sense about the MWT tweet. He's expecting us to believe the number CB called on the night of MM belonged to NM despite the fact she would have been 10 or 12 at the time and didn't even meet CB until 5 years later in Germany!

 

[redplanet]

Might be reading too much into this, but he said "there are reasons to believe that there are other people besides the suspect who know how that night went... maybe they even know where the body was left".

This is interesting to me firstly because he says "reasons" (plural). This might be a reach on my part, but that may mean that they have more than one thing that suggests other people (again, people is plural) might know how it went down that night (night is singular). It makes me think they must have witness statement(s) from someone who was there, or who heard about it all second hand and they need solid proof of it - or others to come forward to corroborate. It also made me think whatever happened to that kid, happened in one night, vs being trafficked or passed about. Just thinking of possibilities and again, its probably way over reading into it...

I am hoping to find the original german words of this extraordinary statement by Investigator Hoppe on video and, if found, to do an exact translation from that.

 

[photographer4]

Excellent work, big thanks to you and everyone who has contributed to this work on the VW.
Next ... Malaga latitude = 36.7°.
Sun's angle above horizon at true noon (the highest it gets)
= 29.8° at midwinter
= 53.3° at spring and autumn equinoxes
= 76.8° at midsummer
Now look at the VW's own shadow on the ground beneath it in the Malaga photo.
And estimate the sun's elevation angle above the horizon.
And in this way find the time of year.
What do you reckon?

So I looked at this photo earlier and noted: the shadow is HARD (dark) under the vehicle and short. It extends slightly infront of the front end and behind the back end. Its not golden hour or blue hour (more on this below). It seems more middle of the day... I'd wager between 11-2pm. If it was high noon, I wouldn't really expect shadows to extend beyond the bumpers. I'd expect glare more on the roof too. There is a bigger glare off the car along it's right side, where there is also the absence of shadows below the car. So I'm guessing sun is to the right and over the car some. Notice nothing else in the photo has a shadow to the right side either, supporting my guess.

GOLDEN HOUR NOTES:
Golden hour (photography) - Wikipedia

BLUE HOUR NOTES:
What Is Blue Hour Photography and How to Take Advantage of It

The light is just too hard to be within golden or blue hours in my opinion. I don't know which way the van is facing (north, south, east? west?) as I haven't checked the port in question on a map yet... I don't want to wager a season, as I'm not familiar with the normal light / seasons in the area in question. I want to guess spring / summer but I don't wanna be held to that yet.

 

[Scorpiette]

'Another thing not mentioned too much on here, (possibly lack of info about) he had a blonde friend, mentioned he has green eyes, and was sene around the OC the days before, don't see much on previous threads either...'

Regarding this blonde friend, according to MT , he was best friends with CB, but I've always had a hunch MN was somehow involved.
Please see link below:

https://www-mirror-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-child-killer-martin-15003287.amp?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=#aoh=15937905241918&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-child-killer-martin-15003287

ALSO, I saw MN on a link on the last thread I believe, when he was older, and stockier, not sure how old he was there, but he looked similar to The Smith Man sighting. Very similar.[/QUOTE]

Ps. First paragraph is from Lilly B quote. Reply not seem to be working for me.

 

[redplanet]

Might be reading too much into this, but he said "there are reasons to believe that there are other people besides the suspect who know how that night went... maybe they even know where the body was left".

This is interesting to me firstly because he says "reasons" (plural). This might be a reach on my part, but that may mean that they have more than one thing that suggests other people (again, people is plural) might know how it went down that night (night is singular). It makes me think they must have witness statement(s) from someone who was there, or who heard about it all second hand and they need solid proof of it - or others to come forward to corroborate. It also made me think whatever happened to that kid, happened in one night, vs being trafficked or passed about. Just thinking of possibilities and again, its probably way over reading into it...

Here I believe is the original german wording "Es gibt Grund zu der Annahme, dass es außer dem Verdächtigen noch andere Personen gibt, die konkrete Kenntnisse über den Verlauf des Verbrechens und möglicherweise auch über den Ort haben, an dem die Leiche zurückgelassen wurde"
Source for this text = Der Hauptverdächtige von New Maddie ist im Gefängnis, weil er einen 72-jährigen amerikanischen Touristen in Praia da Luz vergewaltigt hat

 

[Zolex]

TY, very interesting, do you have a link for the dutch newspaper article please?

The link to the article is under privacy settings you can click here=> Privacy settings

 

[Betty_Boop88]

So I looked at this photo earlier and noted: the shadow is HARD (dark) under the vehicle and short. It extends slightly infront of the front end and behind the back end. Its not golden hour or blue hour (more on this below). It seems more middle of the day... I'd wager between 11-2pm. If it was high noon, I wouldn't really expect shadows to extend beyond the bumpers. I'd expect glare more on the roof too. There is a bigger glare off the car along it's right side, where there is also the absence of shadows below the car. So I'm guessing sun is to the right and over the car some. Notice nothing else in the photo has a shadow to the right side either, supporting my guess.

GOLDEN HOUR NOTES:
Golden hour (photography) - Wikipedia

BLUE HOUR NOTES:
What Is Blue Hour Photography and How to Take Advantage of It

The light is just too hard to be within golden or blue hours in my opinion. I don't know which way the van is facing (north, south, east? west?) as I haven't checked the port in question on a map yet... I don't want to wager a season, as I'm not familiar with the normal light / seasons in the area in question. I want to guess spring / summer but I don't wanna be held to that yet.

So would you definitely rule early morning out, Photographer?? I ask because I can only think of two reasons for the van to be at the port - to either get on a ferry, or to buy drugs. But you need to be there first thing in the morning for drug deals, usually.
There seems to be too much going on in the peripheral of the photo for a drug deal anyway, it’s too busy.

I don’t think the actual photograph is of *major* importance itself as it is, tbh. But I’m hoping we’ve maybe done what LE were looking to achieve by releasing it, by identifying the area?

 

[Juliet Bravo]

Isn't there a reflection on the window of the van where is parked up by the port?, we've never really touched on who that could be
Looks like dark blonde/ light brown hair, possibly a moustache, maybe someone could take a better look than me, as I'm just using my phone and not a pc or laptop

It's very hard to tell, because of the distorted perspective caused by the shape of the van door, but I think I see 2 individuals in the reflection:

Individual 1's reflection is mainly visible in the window. I think it's a male, medium / short hair, with a white top on, and possibly a pair of sunglasses perched on top of his head?

Individual 2's reflection is mainly visible on the door. Looks female in shape, slimmer and shorter than individual 1, with a crop top / bare midriff and grey or blue shorts?

I think I also see a very indistinct reflection of individual 1's leg, which suggests he is standing immediately behind and to the right of her.



Actually, I think individual 1 might be Owen Wilson?

 

[photographer4]

So would you definitely rule early morning out, Photographer?? I ask because I can only think of two reasons for the van to be at the port - to either get on a ferry, or to buy drugs. But you need to be there first thing in the morning for drug deals, usually.
There seems to be too much going on in the peripheral of the photo for a drug deal anyway, it’s too busy.

I don’t think the actual photograph is of *major* importance itself as it is, tbh. But I’m hoping we’ve maybe done what LE were looking to achieve by releasing it, by identifying the area?

I mean, I was leaning towards between 11am and 2pm somewhere give or take but its a guess only. I was thinking by 3pm the sun might be lower depending on the season. There are some places, where in the winter, when the clocks have rolled back an hour... its dark by 4:30 / 5pm on Dec 25. It doesn't appear to be dark here. It seems mid day ish to me. There are other vehicles but its not super crowded. I don't know the schedule of the ferry's or what a usual day looks like at the location so I'm unsure. Perhaps someone who knows the area better than me can estimate better? I also think the photo is just of the vehicle, and the location may not matter as much but who knows. I hope one day LE tell us!

 

[Lilly b]

'Another thing not mentioned too much on here, (possibly lack of info about) he had a blonde friend, mentioned he has green eyes, and was sene around the OC the days before, don't see much on previous threads either...'

Regarding this blonde friend, according to MT , he was best friends with CB, but I've always had a hunch MN was somehow involved.
Please see link below:

https://www-mirror-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-child-killer-martin-15003287.amp?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=#aoh=15937905241918&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-child-killer-martin-15003287

ALSO, I saw MN on a link on the last thread I believe, when he was older, and stockier, not sure how old he was there, but he looked similar to The Smith Man sighting. Very similar.

Ps. First paragraph is from Lilly B quote. Reply not seem to be working for me.[/QUOTE]
All his crimes were on boys?

 

[redplanet]

Excellent work, big thanks to you and everyone who has contributed to this work on the VW.
Next ... Malaga latitude = 36.7°.
Sun's angle above horizon at true noon (the highest it gets)
= 29.8° at midwinter
= 53.3° at spring and autumn equinoxes
= 76.8° at midsummer
Now look at the VW's own shadow on the ground beneath it in the Malaga photo.
And estimate the sun's elevation angle above the horizon.
And in this way find the time of year.
What do you reckon?

IMO the only way to explain the VW's own shadow in the Malaga photo is this: the photo was taken in the middle part of the day, on a date fairly close to midsummer. This can be used to considerably narrow the time period calculated by sleuth-d-.

 

[photographer4]

It's very hard to tell, because of the distorted perspective caused by the shape of the van door, but I think I see 2 individuals in the reflection:

Individual 1's reflection is mainly visible in the window. I think it's a male, medium / short hair, with a white top on, and possibly a pair of sunglasses perched on top of his head?

Individual 2's reflection is mainly visible on the door. Looks female in shape, slimmer and shorter than individual 1, with a crop top / bare midriff and grey or blue shorts?

I think I also see a very indistinct reflection of individual 1's leg, which suggests he is standing immediately behind and to the right of her.

View attachment 254164

Actually, I think individual 1 might be Owen Wilson?

I mean, now you've made me second guess my guess again! I don't see a shadow on the left under the vehicle either, so maybe the sun is higher up than I thought originally? So maybe closer to noon than I originally thought? I'm still going with 11am-2pm... give or take... but damn it! Also, I only see one shadow for legs belonging to the person reflected in the window. Tell me, why do police insist on driving sleuths insane by releasing only bits and pieces of things without context!! UGH.

 

[Betty_Boop88]

This is a quote from the dutch newspaper... i translated it in google translate. From this article: Privacy settings
So they are pretty sure somebody else was involved too. We still don't know who the other blonde friend was from CB,they looked kind of similar and speak English,so i think its not MT.. with MT he would speak German.

"Christian Hoppe said in the German investigation program in early June that there are indications that Maddie was killed. "There are reasons to believe that there are other people besides the suspect who know how that night went," he said. "Maybe they even know where the body was left." In a press conference the following day, prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters of the Public Prosecution Service (OM) in Braunschweig announced that the 43-year-old German is suspected of kidnapping and murdering Maddie and that the investigators believe she is dead."

MT is Belgian... Depending on what part he is from, he might not know German.

 

[Betty_Boop88]

It's very hard to tell, because of the distorted perspective caused by the shape of the van door, but I think I see 2 individuals in the reflection:

Individual 1's reflection is mainly visible in the window. I think it's a male, medium / short hair, with a white top on, and possibly a pair of sunglasses perched on top of his head?

Individual 2's reflection is mainly visible on the door. Looks female in shape, slimmer and shorter than individual 1, with a crop top / bare midriff and grey or blue shorts?

I think I also see a very indistinct reflection of individual 1's leg, which suggests he is standing immediately behind and to the right of her.

View attachment 254164

Actually, I think individual 1 might be Owen Wilson?

Sh*t. I’ve never noticed the second reflection on the door before... Does it look like someone pushing a pram to anyone else??