Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #3

[CARIIS]

Can someone who has experience with looking at satellite images describe exactly what one would expect to see if there was a debris field? Would there likely be large parts? Or all very small?

Here are some shots of previous water related crashes - do not know if this will help too close maybe



https://www.google.com/search?q=ima...ete-coverage-twa-flight-800-1.5708893;600;377

http://www.google.com/imgres?sa=X&b...hBwwAA&iact=rc&dur=1213&page=1&start=0&ndsp=8

http://www.google.com/imgres?sa=X&b...QcMBQ&iact=rc&dur=1691&page=2&start=8&ndsp=13

CAUTION GRAPHIC
http://www.google.com/imgres?biw=10...hBwwBw&iact=rc&dur=1950&page=1&start=0&ndsp=8

 

[TopTop]

Yes, near the Salahnama Islands.
But from my understanding of life vests and airplanes, airplanes don't have life vests (PFD's). Airplanes use the seat cushions as flotation devices. And after so much time passing, I find it hard to believe that a person would still be holding onto the seat cushion. It's not worn like a life jacket. You grip it through the handles on the cushion.

I've flown a lot, and if never known of a plane to have actual life jackets.

Many planes have life vests on board but they are the inflatable kinds, not the kinds you would wear on a boat with foam in them. I don't know what kind the body found had on it.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I didn't read the link you posted (juggling real life and WS at the same time), but the guy in the article I quoted said something very interesting. He said that whether or not gradual decompression is responsible, that whoever was at the controls was an experienced pilot, who knew that when they changed direction, that the altitude levels to keep and stay within protocol switched from odd to even, which increments of altitude to keep, etc. (like what CARIIS was posting earlier)

The Stanford's student's theory doesn't include hijacking or turning the airplane around, but simply that the weak spot in the 777's fuselage caused a slow and steady decompression that put everyone (including the pilots) out. In his theory, the plane continued to fly eastward until running out of fuel and crashing in the ocean.

I find it somewhat believable in that the "turning around" of the jet has been debated back and forth, with even the original man supposedly reporting it denying having said so later. It's based only on the military radar on the west coast picking up a plane consistent with the air speed and size of this missing plane. So it sounds like it's not even 100% certain that what the military radar picked up was this missing 777. More like it was just surmised.

Of course, who knows, with all the back and forth, and changing stories in the media reports (which are at least this time understandably confused).

ETA: His theory also accounts for the transponder being 'turned off' in that it would have shorted out with this type of fuselage problem.

 

[Boodles]

Malaysia may have failed to track the missing passenger plane because of human error or an antiquated radar system, according to two Chinese expert

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/artic...ot-have-tracked-missing-plane-due-human-error

My money's on this. Thus the: they went this way, no they went that way, oh no, the other way...

Can't wait for the 'American experts' to help them figure out where to look. Why didn't they ask for help sooner?!? Pride - what good does it serve?

I find myself waking up to "I hope they found the plane" and then anxious for evening so it will be light in Southeast Asia. Any one else feeling this way, too? Those families need relief.

 

[CARIIS]

It would be really strange if the plane had continued flying on autopilot until it ran out of fuel and crashed into the sea.

Its happened see "death" section:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payne_Stewart#Death

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I hear you. No offense I just hope you're wrong. Does that make sense?


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No worries...

Hope there is no connection, either...

Coincidentally... Right after my last post I heard on the news... From two sources... The top topics being discussed were:

- Explosion in New York
- Five Alarm Fire in San Francisco
- Malaysian Plane Mystery...



ETA: I live in California....

 

[CARIIS]

Hmm. I marked some things last night in Tomnod, but only 2-3 of which looked like possible pieces of wreckage. Is there news of wreckage findings?

Tomnod is really a cool bit of technology. Apparently thousands of people logged on to help. Here's two screenshots of what I marked (though for all I know I was marking a whale or something):

Thats funny we have lost some whales recently!!

 

[CARIIS]

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[BetteDavisEyes]

Many planes have life vests on board but they are the inflatable kinds, not the kinds you would wear on a boat with foam in them. I don't know what kind the body found had on it.

Passenger seats can also be used for flotation.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Malaysia may have failed to track the missing passenger plane because of human error or an antiquated radar system, according to two Chinese expert

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/artic...ot-have-tracked-missing-plane-due-human-error

Not sure how antiquated it is, but according to what I've read this week in pilot forums, apparently radar doesn't track planes very far after they travel beyond land and are over ocean. Pilots use radio transmission signals instead to communicate with other planes and with air traffic control towers about their positions.

 

[MsFacetious]

UPDATE [1am]: Malaysia Airlines denies rumours that relatives of Chinese MH370 passengers were accidentally flown from Hong Kong to India, instead of Malaysia.

http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-denies...ves-flown-to-india-by-accident-170506667.html

 

[JerseyGirl]

Here's the area of the oil rig. I don't think they've searched this area yet?

http://www.euronews.com/2014/03/12/...-malaysias-missing-plane-expanded-to-se-asia/

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Who was that on CNN? Anyhow, he said he expects this will end up being something we have never seen before. Hope this isn't a failed balloon boy or something...pilot was a big time tech geek .

Someone made a similar remark last night on CNN, too. Something to the effect that, amid all of the speculation about what might have happened to the Malaysian plane, the facts will support something completely different.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

No worries...

Hope there is no connection, either...

Coincidentally... Right after my last post I heard on the news... From two sources... The top topics being discussed were:

- Explosion in New York
- Five Alarm Fire in San Francisco
- Malaysian Plane Mystery...



ETA: I live in California....

You live in a beautiful state.

I haven't read up on all those, but just from Twitter it seems the NY incident was a gas explosion, the CA 5-alarm fire from last night was an apt building under construction (makes me wonder about arson or vagrants), and probably neither are connected to this missing plane. But maybe I'm just being optimistic.

 

[CARIIS]

About the raft - if it's not the type and color of rafts used by the airlines, why did the (Oops, butterfingers) MMEA even bother trying to collect if from the fishermen who found it?

Yeh I agree the body pictue is someone being an *******- if that was a body ON LAND from the ocean there would be 4.545 cameras there headlines FIRST BODY FROM 370 FOUND -

IMO , the life raft another jerk - again same thing if real those same 45456 cameras there

trolls....................just imo

hey media now days is visual any "picture " that is valid in this mess will go viral etc etc

 

[Chilly Willy]

My money's on this. Thus the: they went this way, no they went that way, oh no, the other way...

Can't wait for the 'American experts' to help them figure out where to look. Why didn't they ask for help sooner?!? Pride - what good does it serve?

I find myself waking up to "I hope they found the plane" and then anxious for evening so it will be light in Southeast Asia. Any one else feeling this way, too? Those families need relief.

My bold - yes, they do, the not knowing has got to be maddening for them. I swear if one more time the Malasyian authorities pat themselves on the back for paying the family member's expenses, as if that makes everything else okay, I'm going to go over there myself and smack someone.

 

[CARIIS]

Who was that on CNN? Anyhow, he said he expects this will end up being something we have never seen before. Hope this isn't a failed balloon boy or something...pilot was a big time tech geek .

Oh my goodness, I enjoy your posts you have a similiar sense of obserdity!

which this is....................

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Here's the area of the oil rig. I don't think they've searched this area yet?

<snipped for space>

I'm pretty sure they must have by now. (ETA: at least I hope they have! It's also closer to the area the Stanford student was theorizing about.) This was spread about on twitter last night with at least one CNBC news correspondent saying he'd passed it along to government officials:

Sri Jegarajah
@cnbcSri
CNBC Correspondent
Singapore &#8226; asia.cnbc.com


neil johnson &#8207;@neiljhk 14h

@cnbcsri @haslindatv has this been refuted? @vaitor Letter received by Viet officials about a crash in Vietnam seas http://twitpic.com/dy1qmm &#8221;


Sri Jegarajah &#8207;@cnbcSri 14h

@neiljhk Neil, thank you. I am investigating and have passed on the link to the government. Will keep you updated

 

[Scottndianner]

My apologies if this has been previously posted. Still trying to catch up here, while keeping up with current news. I found this to be absolutley mind boggling..but then again, what isn't mind boggling about this missing plane?



Researcher hacks aircraft controls with Android smartphone

Hugo Teso, a security researcher at N.Runs and a commercial airline pilot, spent three years developing the code, buying second-hand commercial flight system software and hardware online and finding vulnerabilities within it. His presentation will cause a few sleepless nights among those with an interest in aircraft security.

Teso's attack code, dubbed SIMON, along with an Android app called PlaneSploit, can take full control of flight systems and the pilot's displays. The hacked aircraft could even be controlled using a smartphone's accelerometer to vary its course and speed by moving the handset about.

First, Teso looked at the Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) system that updates ground controllers on an aircraft's position over a 1Mb/s data link. This has no security at all, he found, and could be used to passively eavesdrop on an aircraft's communications and also actively interrupt broadcasts or feed in misinformation.

Also vulnerable is the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS), the communication relay used between pilots and ground controllers. Using a Samsung Galaxy handset, he demonstrated how to use ACARS to redirect an aircraft's navigation systems to different map coordinates.

"ACARS has no security at all. The airplane has no means to know if the messages it receives are valid or not," he said. "So they accept them and you can use them to upload data to the airplane that triggers these vulnerabilities. And then it's game over."

More at link: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/11/hacking_aircraft_with_android_handset/

 

[CARIIS]

I didn't read the link you posted (juggling real life and WS at the same time), but the guy in the article I quoted said something very interesting. He said that whether or not gradual decompression is responsible, that whoever was at the controls was an experienced pilot, who knew that when they changed direction, that the altitude levels to keep and stay within protocol switched from odd to even, which increments of altitude to keep, etc. (like what CARIIS was posting earlier)

I did not know that part that is very interesting --translates to who ever was at the controls knew they had better , if they are switching direction b change or have a solid head on collision which would wreck their plans no?

and then ...................... does this not take us backl to hijacking ?????????