Malaysia Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine. 298 aboard. 7/17/2014 - #2

[BJsleuth]

282 bodies recovered, 251 onboard train expected to be repatriated to Amsterdam tonight.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-...ists-stopping-bodies-from-being-moved/5612830

 

[Dr. Know?]

Russia Claims A Ukrainian Su-25 Aircraft Was Tailing MH17 - But It Can't Fly That High

15:08 (GMT)

according to the manufacturer of the Su-25, Sukhoi, the maximum altitude of the Su-25 carrying no external ordnance and stores is only 7 kilometers (7000 meters, 23,000 feet). MH17 was flying at 10,000 meters, about 33,000 feet. By this logic, even if the Su-25 was flying directly under MH17 it would be at least 3 kilometers away.

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-154-heavy-fighting-in-donetsk/#3484

 

[SilkySifaka]

We need links to your quotes from MSM. Thanks

I was watching cnn all morning, i heard it there.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Yahoo News ‏@YahooNews · 3m
Malaysian PM Najib Razak to make "significant announcement" about MH17 around midnight Kuala Lumpur time (1600 GMT) @Reuters

https://twitter.com/YahooNews

 

[SilkySifaka]

Tweet from @CNNVideo - 40m

"We didn't have any motive to target this plane," rebel leader tells @ChrisCuomo on #MH17: http://t.co/qBbQfCeHWe
http://t.co/NQTO1zRPYq

http://twitter.com/CNNVideo/status/491220817523388416




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Well even I don't think they did it on purpose. Unless as has been suggested today it was actually russian personnel in the buk. Apparently there are another two parts to the Buk (separate vehicles i think) that would have told them what flight it was or what sort of plane, its unknown if they had the other two parts. But in the last 6 days since Monday, 150 armored weapons and vehicles arrived in the area over the border in a convoy according to John Kerry.

IMO because it was in an interview

 

[SouthAussie]

Noah Sneider ‏@NoahSneider 1m
#MH17 body train has left the station. Torez, 19:00. Destination still unconfirmed, though likely Kharkov.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/mh17


Torez to Kharkov:
https://www.google.com.au/maps/dir/...d4c18681aa4be0a!2m2!1d36.230383!2d49.9935!3e0

 

[LambChop]

I was watching cnn all morning, i heard it there.

Okay, but make sure you include links when you can and if not, note that it was reported by a news agency. That way posters will know where to look to find the information.

Thanks

 

[SilkySifaka]

I saw this image earlier SouthAussie, but I was searching for a proper link aside from the tweet to which it was attached.

ITA, the journalists on the ground are no doubt documenting all they can. I hope they remain safe and the evidence remains intact.




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Chris Cuomo of CNN said a couple of times, that their (journalists) job is to document everything as it could be the only thing investigators have to see some of the evidence. It seems they are making a concerted effort.
to do so

 

[zwiebel]

'President Obama blasted Russia for failing to adequately influence separatists who have violated the crash site of the Malaysia Airlines plane shot down in eastern Ukraine.'

It begs the question, "what exactly are they trying to hide?" he continued, blaming Russian President Putin for not influencing the insurgents controlling the area along the Ukrainian border.'

More at link.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-obama-speak-ukraine-plane-crash-article-1.1874503

BBC now reporting that train lines from Donetsk are clear now and the train may possibly leave. Also began to say 'The Deputy Minister-

And got cut off.

 

[Dr. Know?]

TIME.com ‏@TIME · 30s
Watch live: Malaysian Prime Minister speaks on MH17 http://ti.me/1naODRV

https://twitter.com/TIME

 

[SilkySifaka]

Poroschenko said that they are missing 16 bodies but all the others were leaving in 50 minutes from his interview with Christian Amanpour. He checked his watch. So it looks like repatriation will happen.

It is the least the rebels and russia can do. And they don't have much reason to keep them now, they are probably so decomposed not much evidence can be found from them. They did their nefarious purpose by keeping them in the hot sun for three days

imo

 

[zwiebel]

Brit PM speech being broadcast. Firmly pointing blame at Russia for this debacle: There is no evidence Ukraine has fired a surface to air missile at any time....(Europe) must continue a new range of hard hitting sanctions.'

http://www.parliament.uk/business/n...on-ukraine-flight-mh17-and-gaza-21-july-2014/

 

[SilkySifaka]

Okay, but make sure you include links when you can and if not, note that it was reported by a news agency. That way posters will know where to look to find the information.

Thanks

I will, I get caught up in the news then come here to post and read and will remember from now on.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters · 2m
#BREAKING: #MH17 black boxes to be handed over to Malaysian authorities at 9 pm Ukraine time: Malaysian PM

https://twitter.com/Reuters

 

[zwiebel]

It is dreadful for the families, but the missing bodies, along with the photographs of damage to the plane, are going to provide further evidence of if and where a missile may have hit the plane. Most of the missing bodies are going to be people who were sitting in the seats which received the first and full impact of the missile, I'd think.

 

[SouthAussie]

Astro AWANI ‏@501Awani 3m
'The dignity lost cannot be regained', said PM Datuk Seri Najib Razak #MH17


Lindsey Hilsum ‏@lindseyhilsum 5m
Malaysian PM just said black boxes to be handed over to them in Donetsk tonight. #MH17

https://twitter.com/hashtag/mh17

 

[SouthAussie]

Harith Iskander ‏@HarithIskander 3m
PM @NajibRazak negotiated with Ukraine rebel leader. Custody of black boxes 2 Msia n sending remains 2 Holland #EncouragingNews #MH17
@C4NForeign @mattfrei

https://twitter.com/hashtag/mh17

 

[LambChop]

I will, I get caught up in the news then come here to post and read and will remember from now on.

Yes, I know SilkySifaka. It is a very fast moving, emotional thread. Just a friendly reminder. Thanks for posting the latest information.

 

[zwiebel]

BBC just confirming train's left station! Destination unknown!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28399670?ocid=socialflow_twitter

 

[zwiebel]

Guardian reporting train leaves, and as it does increased fighting breaks outon outskirts of Donesk.

Live updates.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/21/mh17-disaster-ukraine-obama-live-updates