Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #6

[kittythehare]

Acc to all the published inquest details I can get my mitts on-
-Nora survived for 6 days.

-Nora had died 4 days before she was found

The big question is why her feet weren't marked.
And her mother's assertion that she could walk no more than 20 ft. and that is what her mother is saying and it may well be what her mother is believing. And it's subjective, but still a mother knows her child better than anyone.
They have no reason to lie.
They are litigating the resort but I don't imagine the resort owners are very wealthy or that the Quorins need the money, both parents have apparently successful careers.

Feet and distance.

 

[Clair Louise]

Acc to all the published inquest details I can get my mitts on-
-Nora survived for 6 days.

-Nora had died 4 days before she was found

The big question is why her feet weren't marked.

Did it say that they were marked or scarred?

 

[kittythehare]

Did it say that they were marked or scarred?

I just posted 3 or 4 newish links and family lawyer questioned state of her feet in more than one news report.

 

[Clair Louise]

Acc to all the published inquest details I can get my mitts on-
-Nora survived for 6 days.

-Nora had died 4 days before she was found

The big question is why her feet weren't marked.
And her mother's assertion that she could walk no more than 20 ft. and that is what her mother is saying and it may well be what her mother is believing. And it's subjective, but still a mother knows her child better than anyone.
They have no reason to lie.
They are litigating the resort but I don't imagine the resort owners are very wealthy or that the Quorins need the money, both parents have apparently successful careers.

Feet and distance.

Having money does not really have much influence on people who sue IMO.

 

[kittythehare]

Her feet were unmarked, or at least not marked in a way that was consistent with distance traveled.
How could that have possibly occurred if she moved alone?

 

[kittythehare]

here is an old article, from before she was found discussing the work of the shaman.
It makes sense, to me.
Police earlier released a video showing a shaman wearing a white skullcap and several of his assistants performing rituals in the forest.

Shaman Khalid Mohamad earlier said he believed the girl was lured by a genie, an invisible spirit believed by Muslims to inhabit the Earth and influence mankind by appearing in the form of humans or animals.

He said in the video that the genie was attracted to the girl because she had special needs and had chosen Quoirin as its stepchild.

The video showed the shaman crying and appealing for the girl’s return.

“Tonight I will ask for the spirit to return her from where (she was taken) and the condition they took her but they will ask for something in exchange. That will be between me and them. Most important now, the child will be released,” he said in the video.
Body found in search for missing teen

 

[kittythehare]

More on the shamans, apparently quite a few from different countries tried to find her.
Video in this link
Nora Quoirin cops used PSYCHICS after family begged them to probe ‘tip-offs’ from mediums for jungle search

 

[Seni]

obvious question, why were they visiting 3 houses in a nearby resort? What time?
Were the houses occupied?
who saw them, who did they meet Bananas.

edit to throw in another q, how did they travel to resort 2?
Did they have a vehicle rented for their vacation?
How did they travel to resort from airport, if not?

They travelled to the resort by taxi from the airport

They were noted by a Dutch family staying in a neighbouring house.

 

[Seni]

Oh okay so maybe not houses to stay in but places like a communal laundry in one perhaps?

There is a laundry next to one of the houses.

 

[kittythehare]

There is a laundry next to one of the houses.

Thanks Seni.
how far were the 3 houses from the resort, do you happen to know? Is there any way we can get them up on Google earth?

 

[Seni]

Some thoughts, JMO.

These houses were built in a rustic style, I would bet that the second floor would be very creaky.

Equally the spiral staircase would perhaps not be easy to negotiate at first.

Difficult to imagine anyone gaining access and forcing or carrying a 15 year old without being perceived.

The window is narrow from what we see on photos, not obvious to push someone and then follow. But we forget that the front door was unlocked.

Information about Nora varies from the "light disability " described by her grandfather to a heavier disablement described by the Foundation on behalf of the family.

We have read that she was learning to ride a bike but we do not know if she liked water/could swim.

We now know that she visited the deer park alone. We do not know whether she liked animals in general.

As pointed out in previous threads, the resort had a host of friendly cats and dogs, indeed some of them made themselves comfortable in the guest houses.

I am bothered about the "perforated ulcer". First of all an ulcer takes time to form, is not common in a child of this age. Am assuming that full medical history was taken into account and provided to the inquest. Maybe this will be commented on as there are still days to go .

The only aspect of this case that seems possible and probable to me is that Nora was enticed to leave the property by some external attraction that IMO was innocent of evil intention.

MO

 

[Clair Louise]

Thanks Seni.
how far were the 3 houses from the resort, do you happen to know? Is there any way we can get them up on Google earth?

They visit three houses in the next door resort, but Nora cant walk very far? And then her parents think that those occupiers may have abducted her, or the person who spoke to them at the airport and followed them to abduct her?
I am having some suspicions about her parents.

 

[Clair Louise]

Information about Nora varies from the "light disability " described by her grandfather to a heavier disablement described by the Foundation on behalf of the family.
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[Seni]

Thanks Seni.
how far were the 3 houses from the resort, do you happen to know? Is there any way we can get them up on Google earth?

Hi Kitty,

The house with laundry facilities next to it is one of the Dusun resort houses.

I think the three houses referred to were in the resort unless mistaken?

 

[kittythehare]

Hi Kitty,

The house with laundry facilities next to it is one of the Dusun resort houses.

I think the three houses referred to were in the resort unless mistaken?

I think they were in a different resort but I can't figure out it's proximity to Dusun or how they traveled there?
That's where I'm stuck.
it's really difficult to obtain coherent info from this inquest and very late coming.
I don't even know how many more witnesses are left, whether a toxicology report exists or further details of her autopsy.
I know the British medic who conducted the second autopsy is due to testify but I have no idea what his testimony will contain or whether it is likely to differ in any way.
We're accustomed to receiving autopsy reports in a single document...

 

[Seni]

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Having followed since day one, IMO it was a big mistake to have hired the Lucie Blackmoore Trust as spokepeople and this we discussed also in the previous threads.

I think they were in a different resort but I can't figure out it's proximity to Dusun or how they traveled there?
That's where I'm stuck.
it's really difficult to obtain coherent info from this inquest and very late coming.
I don't even know how many more witnesses are left, whether a toxicology report exists or further details of her autopsy.
I know the British medic who conducted the second autopsy is due to testify but I have no idea what his testimony will contain or whether it is likely to differ in any way.
We're accustomed to receiving autopsy reports in a single document...

All we know, from memory, is that the Dusun booking for the Sora House had been made long before by the family. We do not know how they spent their first day there, what they ate, whether they swam in the pools, etc.,

I don't think their association with Lucie Blackmoore Trust did any favours .

IMO

 

[kittythehare]

Absolutely.

Having followed since day one, IMO it was a big mistake to have hired the Lucie Blackmoore Trust as spokepeople and this we discussed also in the previous threads.



All we know, from memory, is that the Dusun booking for the Sora House had been made long before by the family. We do not know how they spent their first day there, what they ate, whether they swam in the pools, etc.,

I don't think their association with Lucie Blackmoore Trust did any favours .

IMO

They were being trolled horribly on social media, it was seriously bad, they needed someone to step up for them in the early days. That is the most likely reason for Blackmore stepping in on their behalf.
It was utterly cruel, they were savaged.
The #'s were all full of false accusations against them, their personal lives shredded with no basis in reality, just because they called for help. The Madeline Mc Cann conspiracy theorists all attacked them and invented stories. If you run a googlesearch you will find a link to them suig somebody called Dublin lawyer.. people didn't care what they said and they attacked with no evidence. It got really bad, accounts were suspended all over the place..
edited to add link Nora Quoirin's parents to sue Dublin lawyer and Facebook over social media posts

ETA another link Tragic Nora's parents sue retired lawyer over posts on social media

 

[Chiatos]

Oh okay so maybe not houses to stay in but places like a communal laundry in one perhaps?

No idea.
IMO it should have been specified at the hearing.
Why was it not specified? Because it was obvious for everyone at the hearing?
Or has it been specified at the hearing but the media haven't picked it up?
....??

 

[Chiatos]

here is an old article, from before she was found discussing the work of the shaman.
It makes sense, to me.
Police earlier released a video showing a shaman wearing a white skullcap and several of his assistants performing rituals in the forest.

Shaman Khalid Mohamad earlier said he believed the girl was lured by a genie, an invisible spirit believed by Muslims to inhabit the Earth and influence mankind by appearing in the form of humans or animals.

He said in the video that the genie was attracted to the girl because she had special needs and had chosen Quoirin as its stepchild.

The video showed the shaman crying and appealing for the girl’s return.

“Tonight I will ask for the spirit to return her from where (she was taken) and the condition they took her but they will ask for something in exchange. That will be between me and them. Most important now, the child will be released,” he said in the video.
Body found in search for missing teen

The shaman spoke these words on Monday the 12th of August. Nora was already 3 days dead while he spoke those words.

Nora was found on Tuesday the 13th of August.
According to the autopsy she had died 4 days before.

 

[Chiatos]

There is a laundry next to one of the houses.

Is there a map where those 3 houses can be seen?
Do you know where are they in this map?