Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #6

[Ruthbullock]

http://www.agc.gov.my/agcportal/uploads/files/coporate/Research_Div/Death Inquiries270709.pdf
found this interesting and makes me think we still won’t have closure.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Following.

 

[Fantastic]

There's still so many unanswered questions about this case. I don't believe the official story for one minute. I've already posted about how I think she disappeared from the family's holiday home. I believe Nora was abducted and murdered. I think it's possible her body was surgically repaired, and then placed where she was found. Her internal injuries could have been created artificially using, for example, an endoscope, or they may have occurred naturally, if Nora was held captive and starved.

Here's a few questions I have for the authorities ....
1) When Nora's disappearance continued for days, why didn't the police treat the family's holiday home, as a potential crime scene? In particular, why wasn't the children's bedroom area cordened off, protected, and forensically examined?
2) Why was Nora's body taken to the hospital for post mortem by helicopter?
3) Why, if the cause of death was so apparent, and the circumstances straight forward, did the post mortem take so long to complete?
4) Why wasn't a photo of Nora's feet and lower legs released to prove that she did actually spend 10 days roaming in the jungle? They should have beared the marks, cuts, bites and bruises of someone trekking through the jungle for 10 days. Maybe the reason was that her feet and legs were unmarked, and didn't show anything.

 

[Lilibet]

There's still so many unanswered questions about this case. I don't believe the official story for one minute. I've already posted about how I think she disappeared from the family's holiday home. I believe Nora was abducted and murdered. I think it's possible her body was surgically repaired, and then placed where she was found. Her internal injuries could have been created artificially using, for example, an endoscope, or they may have occurred naturally, if Nora was held captive and starved.

Here's a few questions I have for the authorities ....
1) When Nora's disappearance continued for days, why didn't the police treat the family's holiday home, as a potential crime scene? In particular, why wasn't the children's bedroom area cordened off, protected, and forensically examined?
2) Why was Nora's body taken to the hospital for post mortem by helicopter?
3) Why, if the cause of death was so apparent, and the circumstances straight forward, did the post mortem take so long to complete?
4) Why wasn't a photo of Nora's feet and lower legs released to prove that she did actually spend 10 days roaming in the jungle? They should have beared the marks, cuts, bites and bruises of someone trekking through the jungle for 10 days. Maybe the reason was that her feet and legs were unmarked, and didn't show anything.

I agree with your questions. I differ with you about surgical repair and artificial internal injuries. I’m with you that she was taken somewhere and held (or left) captive and starved, then placed where she was found. Whether the starving was accidental or deliberate I couldn’t say without knowing who took Nora and why.
JMO

 

[Seni]

I believe Nora was abducted and murdered. I think it's possible her body was surgically repaired, and then placed where she was found. Her internal injuries could have been created artificially using, for example, an endoscope, or they may have occurred naturally, if Nora was held captive and starved.

Snipped by me. With all respect why on earth would anyone murder her, number 1 and then 2 proceed to reparations?. 3 you cannot recreate an ulcer.

 

[Chiatos]

Sniffer dogs in Malaysia tracked missing Irish girl Nora Quoirin's scent to an abandoned fishing hut near a pond.
Her scent led for almost a mile to a dilapidated hut, where anglers used to rest.

A cadaver dog was also used at the hut but failed to pick up any scent, suggesting she was alive when she reached the hut.

....apart from the fisherman's hut there were no other positive findings during the preliminary search.
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[Cherwell]

4) Why wasn't a photo of Nora's feet and lower legs released to prove that she did actually spend 10 days roaming in the jungle?

Why should such a photo be released to the public?

 

[Ruthbullock]

Also one news source confirms, the post mortem showed, there were no marks on the soles of Nora's feet: Nora Quoirin had 'no cuts or scars on soles of feet' when found dead in jungle

The headline is a bit sensationalist compared to the actual article which states:

The lawyer for Nora’s parents, asked: “She was found unclothed, without footwear yet there were no serious scars or injuries to her soles?”

The police boss agreed, adding “no, only some minor bruises’.

They heard that apart from insect bites, there were no “serious visible external injuries”.

There was no “serious” injuries- she was injured though and several news sources have reported how she had minor cuts, scratches and bruises on her arms and legs, as well as insect bites.

 

[Fantastic]

Why should such a photo be released to the public?

A better question is, why shouldn't it be released? Maybe because it wouldn't fit the official version of how Nora died.

 

[evilwise]

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Sniffer dogs in Malaysia tracked missing Irish girl Nora Quoirin's scent to an abandoned fishing hut near a pond.
Her scent led for almost a mile to a dilapidated hut, where anglers used to rest.

A cadaver dog was also used at the hut but failed to pick up any scent, suggesting she was alive when she reached the hut.

....apart from the fisherman's hut there were no other positive findings during the preliminary search.
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This, on the other hand, is the first I'm reading about the specific behavior of the tracking dogs and it doesn't surprise me a bit considering what I believe to be the sequence of events. There were probably too many people's scents around the actual resort for the dogs to single one out and stay keyed on it but once they got on the other side of the fence where people don't usually go they picked it up. She probably went and hung around the lake, I seem to recall unconfirmed reports of her being seen swimming. When she needed shelter she went to the shack and probably spent some time there so her scent was stronger there and from there she went in and out of the water. That's probably where she was taken - either at the edge of the water, directly out of the water or from the shack and onto the water in a boat.

I still feel like, assuming the medical examination showing no signs of abuse is accurate, the people who took her were trying to take care of her and she just refused to eat. They probably quite rationally assumed that once she got hungry enough she would start eating but they would have had no way of knowing she had a (pretty serious, I guess) ulcer.

 

[Chiatos]

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This, on the other hand, is the first I'm reading about the specific behavior of the tracking dogs and it doesn't surprise me a bit considering what I believe to be the sequence of events. There were probably too many people's scents around the actual resort for the dogs to single one out and stay keyed on it but once they got on the other side of the fence where people don't usually go they picked it up. She probably went and hung around the lake, I seem to recall unconfirmed reports of her being seen swimming. When she needed shelter she went to the shack and probably spent some time there so her scent was stronger there and from there she went in and out of the water. That's probably where she was taken - either at the edge of the water, directly out of the water or from the shack and onto the water in a boat.

I still feel like, assuming the medical examination showing no signs of abuse is accurate, the people who took her were trying to take care of her and she just refused to eat. They probably quite rationally assumed that once she got hungry enough she would start eating but they would have had no way of knowing she had a (pretty serious, I guess) ulcer.

Anyone who might have taken care of her while she was missing, has deprived Nora of her liberty and is therefore responsible for her suffering and death.

Nora couldn't have walked from the pond to the spot where she was found unseen. For a whole week?

 

[rhino]

A better question is, why shouldn't it be released? Maybe because it wouldn't fit the official version of how Nora died.

Because the public has absolutely no entitlement to see photos of a dead child’s body parts?

 

[peanutJelly]

Because the public has absolutely no entitlement to see photos of a dead child’s body parts?

Why would we have that right?!

 

[Cascadia Mount]

Why should such a photo be released to the public?

Agree, I think that would be terribly disrespectful

 

[crhedBngr]

"On arriving at the scene, I was led to the house where the girl was staying and asked a family member if they could provide anything for the dog to smell because we had no clue as to where to start," he said. "I was then provided some white attire, presumably worn by the missing girl, and I allowed the dog to sniff it to obtain a scent to begin tracking, and we started by searching the surrounding area at random.

"The search lasted about two hours and there was no positive indication (of the victim's scent) whatsoever," he added.

Fingerprints lifted from window of villa where Nora Quoirin disappeared


"I would say it (the four day operation) was done very thoroughly because most of the work was performed by the dog and we covered a lot of ground.

Simon also affirmed that the dog did not show any positive indication of a scent when brought to the window through which Nora was said to have left the house where she was staying.

RBBM

Stating an obvious fact again . . . this case is so very strange. I don't understand how she supposedly got out through the window without leaving prints or a scent, and then got to where she passed.

JMVHO.

 

[crhedBngr]

Did we know this?

Wak Rukman also disclosed that luminol – a form of chemical substance used to detect the presence of blood – had detected blood droplets in the bathroom of the villa. ‘But whose blood it belonged to I am not at liberty to say,’ he said referring the court to the crime scene team leader for more detail on this

Eight fingerprints found on window and bloodstains found in bathroom, Nora Quirin's inquest hears

RBBM

I don't recall seeing this before.

So, the window was on the upper floor of the villa, and one print belonged to Nora's Mum.

Interesting.

JMVHO.

 

[Lilibet]

Why would we have that right?!

@rhino said that “the public has absolutely NO entitlement” to see the photos. Or were you agreeing with that?

 

[Lilibet]

RBBM

I don't recall seeing this before.

So, the window was on the upper floor of the villa, and one print belonged to Nora's Mum.

Interesting.

JMVHO.

So there was blood from someone whose identity he was not at liberty to say, referring the court to the crime scene leader for more detail. I want to hear more about this. I hope it’s nothing. The mother’s fingerprint was found on the window frame. Odd.

 

[neesaki]

RBBM

I don't recall seeing this before.

So, the window was on the upper floor of the villa, and one print belonged to Nora's Mum.

Interesting.

JMVHO.

It is interesting.

 

[Sarahlou]

I'm not surprised the mother's fingerprints are on there. She probably opened the window at some point.
Droplets of blood in a bathroom can easily be explained.